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Christopher Dawson

Is Ubuntu 10.10 yet another chance to ditch Windows?

By | October 7, 2010, 1:16am PDT

Summary: Ubuntu isn’t going to displace Windows anytime soon. But it just keeps getting better. Schools owe it to their budgets and users to at least give it a look.

The next version of Ubuntu is coming soon The easy answer here is “of course!” But it’s a little tougher now that we aren’t comparing Ubuntu to Windows Vista.

As many schools have begun rolling out Windows 7, an operating system that I actually like quite a bit and that has considerable traction just about everywhere, the arguments against Windows 7 began coming down to only cost and the occasional religious debate. Add in Windows Multipoint Server, easy remote desktop/multiuser environments enabled in Windows Server 2008, and a variety of multiuser and VDI scenarios from third parties that leverage Microsoft technologies and you have some pretty compelling arguments in favor of Microsoft operating systems in schools.

But then there’s Ubuntu. There are plenty of other Linux distributions with the whole FREE thing going for them, but Ubuntu is fast, powerful, easy, flexible, and particularly well-suited to education. And the release candidate for the latest versions of Ubuntu and Edubuntu (their education-centered version of Ubuntu) is just plain awesome. Unless you’re 100% wedded (for either religious or technical reasons) to Windows or OS X, it’s hard not to like Ubuntu//Edubuntu with their huge array of free software, snappy performance, elegant interface, fast installations, and ultra-fast boot times.

As if that weren’t enough, there’s a robust server version, a newly-redesigned netbook/tablet-optimized interface, 32- and 64-bit support, and the chance to support a great community-driven, quintessential 21st-century project. Whether you need a web server, an LDAP server, a snappy interface for those netbooks running Windows XP Home, or a desktop upgrade from Windows XP without the price of Windows 7, Ubuntu can provide not only a viable alternative, but a really competitive OS.

With this release, Edubuntu also more carefully integrates the Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP). This turns your Edubuntu PC into a multi-user environment that scales to classroom levels easily and is available on install. The Edubuntu install, by the way, is now fully graphical and, as with all of the *buntu installs, collects user information at the same time as it copies files and does other background installation tasks, making the whole process very speedy, even on single-processor machines (I tested on single and dual-core virtual machines with 1 and 2 gigabytes of RAM respectively).

And besides, the release data is 10-10-10. In binary, that’s 42, an homage to Douglas Adams. For that reason alone it’s worth a look.

Ubuntu is not for everyone, nor is it perfect. Without using LTSP, it is difficult to create role-based policies and Deep Freeze-style lab lockdowns. However, similar technologies do exist within Edubuntu/Ubuntu, even if they aren’t as mature as their Windows brethren. More importantly, though, as a desktop OS, Ubuntu excels in everything from price to ease of use to ease of installation. As a server OS, Ubuntu has a well-deserved reputation for stability and reliability and, again, the price is certainly right.

The year is still young and you’re bound to have some intrepid students or teachers who are tired of their XP or Vista desktops. Or maybe you’ve been thinking about rolling out a new web server. Your budget administrator will thank you for at least giving Ubuntu a look. It’s better than ever, with 10.10 introducing important evolutionary features, performance enhancements, and bug fixes.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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RE: Is Ubuntu 10.10 yet another chance to ditch Windows?
Raid6 Updated - 15th Oct 2010
@ dabochmeister

"And you miss the point that Windows has benefitted from many many years of unethical (and in some cases illegal) marketing and promotional tactics. You imply it's a level playing field, when it's still not (though aggressive communication is making headway)."

Illegal? Level playing field?

Unethical??? (ever hear of Apple?)

Do you subscribe to the notion that Little League should not keep score at the games?

Do you subscribe to the idea of spreading the wealth?

It is ever so easy to throw red herrings into the discorse but the fact is if you want to look at this from a legal perspective then I challenge you to name a tech company that has not been operating "illegally".

Try to focus on pertinent facts and not side step the issue(s) raised in a reply with rhetoric and hyperbole.

My guess is you are a very liberal democrat with virtual no experience what-so-ever in an Enterprise environment and/or vastly minuscule technical insight into what makes a computer tick, a network talk, and an enterprise environment function. Just guessing though...of course.

I find it sad that so many people are so willing to be stupid and assume that some how MS's success is because of anything other than:
Luck Good strategic planning Forecasting and trend analysis Products that simply work and nearly universal compatibility

Hardware makers, software makers have choices. If they felt there was a profit to be had they'd develop and support Linux platforms.
There is so much hot air exchanged here but at the end of the day the only enemy of Linux and Ubuntu is Linux and the splintering of the Linux world. It reminds me of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
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It will be extraordinary hard for Ubuntu to get significant market share in the PC market. I don't understand why it is so hard for you guys to get it.
The main problem of Linux is that there are not enough offering of PC preloaded with a distribution such as Ubuntu.
This is why, it is great that Canonical is building partnership with some asian manufacturers in order to offer PC preloaded with Ubuntu.
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Funny dude...
Wolfie2K3 7th Oct 2010
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Blowtard
As soon as I click the Select button on the page, it takes me to the configurator. The 2nd option on which is the OS you want.

Surprise, surprise. There are only 3 options.

Windows 7 Home Premium (default)
Windows 7 Professional
Windows 7 Ultimate

No Linux...

In fact, the page you linked us to - while it has the word 'Linux' embedded in the URL - there's not one mention of Linux nor Ubuntu ANYWHERE on the page. If anything there are several mentions of Windows 7.

Epic FAIL on your part. For not checking before posting the link if nothing else.

Now.. You MAY be able to get Ubuntu on it if you call 'em up and beg - but it's not a default on ANY of the systems you linked nor even an option.
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No, you are funny. Clever with the EPIC fail banter
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 7th Oct 2010
@Wolfie2K3
It's the n-series that sports Ubuntu preload.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&l=en&cs=19
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

This might be a handier link: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&l=en&cs=19

All I see on the regular page is offerings for three versions of Windows7 and a reviewer who was not happy with the Ubuntu duel boot.
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I've corrected the link
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 7th Oct 2010
@Bill4

The n-series comes preloaded with Ubuntu Linux
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&l=en&cs=19
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate
In all fairness, the guy said there aren't *enough* OEMs offering Ubuntu preloaded. You can't refute this argument with one example. In fact, you can't effectively rebut the argument with all the examples that do exist. You would need to prove that having a larger selection of systems won't increase Ubuntu adoption.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong, just that logical debate eludes you.
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His last sentence
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 7th Oct 2010
@ericesque

"This is why, it is great that Canonical is building partnership with some asian manufacturers in order to offer PC preloaded with Ubuntu. "

The times they are a changin'.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate
Page not found... What were you smoking when you "saw" that.
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The average user is not goign to buy a Linux PC ...
mwagner@... Updated - 7th Oct 2010
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate ... sight-unseen.

Until the consumer can walk-into Wal-Mart (or their favorite electronics retailer) and see two, otherwise identical, systems running Windows and Linux at a competitive price, the consumer WILL NOT take a chance on Linux.

Also, not that that Dell will not let you choose between Linux and Windows on the same system. And, if you want support on those Linux systems, you will pay a steep premium for them.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

Del! na, no thanks. i'll Stay custom
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

the link works just fine however i didn't notice much in linux on your link
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

Not in the UK you can't. There are no ubuntu PCs available on the Dell website at all. Not one.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

Ah i see you didn't look at the previous link stating Dell has dropped linux per-installs. It was conveniently not reported anywhere here on zdnet

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/359740/dell-drops-ubuntu-pcs-from-website-for-now
@stan57
Funny thing happened when I looked at your link, I actually read the article.
Maybe you should do the same "this is not a permanent decision, and Dell remains committed to offering Ubuntu."

That's a direct quote.
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Many options
putt1ck 7th Oct 2010
@timiteh If you are buying as an organisation, i.e. buying in the 100s you can get preloaded Linux on a wider range of products from Dell and from most of the OEMs. If you are buying as an end user, better try one of specialists who buy without an OS and preinstall for you (an Internet search will get you a lot of choices).
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@timiteh When we get a new batch of systems in (usually from Dell) we take one of them, wipe it completely, then load Windows 7 Enterprise on it. Then we load up all the software our users need and get if fully configured before creating an image of it. The image is then loaded on the rest of the machines followed by sysprep, encrypt with bitlocker, and join the domain. So basically what I'm saying is that it really does not matter what came pre-loaded on the system because the first time it's turned on will be to load our image on it.

We have chosen to use Windows 7, but we could just as easily have created an image with Ubuntu or some other Linux distro. The fact that it doesn't come pre-loaded does not influence our decision. By the way, the Enterprise Edition of Windows 7 that we need for the bitlocker encryption does not come pre-loaded either.
@cornpie
So basically you've paid for the pre-installed windows 7 home premium AND the windows 7 Enterprise you ended up with on each and every computer. Nice one.

What is needed is an option to buy (available to ANYONE, not just enterprise buyers) a computer with no pre-installed OS. I am thoroughly sick of being told that windows came 'free' on whatever hardware I've purchased when I'm attempting to get a refund on the pre-installed windows that I've declined the EULA of. Even better would be an option for a version of linux pre-installed; it would be dead easy to configure a first time boot option to either install ubuntu for free or to install windows for whatever extra cost it might be.
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I've had problems with 10.1 so reluctant to try the "fixed" version. Has anyone had problems with it or is it just my ancient IBM Thinkpad P4 2.5 gig single processor & 512 mb RAM that's the hangup? Thoughts?
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@bamyclouse@...

...so possibly a hardware failure issue. Did you in-place upgrade from an older version? If so, you could try a clean install.

Ubuntu should still run quite happily on that hardware, so could be a hardware failure or just a non-perfect upgrade (it does happen).

I'd be interested to know your situation?!
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Describe your problem
dfolk2 7th Oct 2010
@bamyclouse@...

That system should have enough power. Consider downloading 10.10, boot to it without installing it, and see if it runs for you. If it runs fine off the disk, then you can go ahead and install it. They changed some aspects of the installer in 10.1 that caused a few problems for some people.
@dfolk2

Really? Because Linux never has driver issues or anything and how are you going to test your software that you want to use if it is on a pre-recorded disc. You can get an idea of what it is that way but not the full effect.
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Probably your machine
Rick_R 7th Oct 2010
@bamyclouse@... Probably your machine. I run Ubuntu 10.4 on a P4-era Celeron, mobo from around 2004, 1.5GB (and sometimes less), 40GB WD hard disk desktop and it works fine. I did have some problems with older AGP 8x video cards not supporting both video and the fancy interface (the nVidia driver wouldn't display video, the Ubuntu driver didn't support the fancy interface). Updating the card fixed that.
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@bamyclouse@... I have run Ubuntu 10.1 on an old Gateway E-1400 with 750 MHz P3 & 512 of RAM. It could not keep up with Windows XP & crashed. I had nothing to lose & loaded Ubuntu & ran better than anytime in the past. You might try again & see if a reinstall will help.
@bamyclouse@... With so little RAM, you'll experience a huge performance boost in Ubuntu when you reduce the swappiness to 10:
http://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/bugs#TOC-Swap-use-swappiness-is-too-high:-Ub
@bamyclouse@... I think intel 865G and earlier chipset is not supported on Ubuntu 10.
@bamyclouse@... I have never heard of 10.1. I use 10.4 and have never had a problem. When people write about how they have these problems with Linux. They don't even know what version they should be lying about using. They haven't done even that much research, yet they think others should believe them. There's a fool borne every second, and this guy is one of them.
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@bamyclouse@... Clearly you HAVE had a problem with 10.1 as it was only a RC. Perhaps you should have upgraded to 10.4 a long time ago.

10.4 or 10.10 should run just fine on your specs although you would do yourself a great favor by getting more ram.
Ubuntu is great for quick boot and surfing the web. For anything more complicated it can become a real pain!!! (unless of course you are an experienced Linux user)

for example, try setting up ubuntu as an android development PC - I tried it and it nearly broke my heart as compared to OSX or Windows, which are both stress free!

It's not ready for the common user.
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@RonanSail I seriously doubt the average user will be setting up a Droid dev environment.
@RonanSail

I call BS. I've done both, Google's instructions for setting them up are as good as it gets. I'll claim its easier to set up for Android development on either Windows or Linux than it is to get the Visual Studio environment going on Windows.

But by definition, installing a development system is not the "common user". My wife has been using Ubuntu just fine since 7.10 and in reality her only issues are from where Windows lock-in has succeeded -- the fruits of the monopoly we are trying to break!

I do like Windows 7. I use it for my video editing, but I'm not willing to put up with the activation hassles of it and most of its applications for any thing else.
@wkulecz

What activation hassles? You activate and you are good to go. It's only a hassle to people who pirate the software.
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@bobiroc
He may have been referring to the false positives for identifying WGA. The impact has been reduced with their no longer virtually disabling system but even so MS acknowledged that it was occurring.
@Viva la crank dodo
"He may have been referring to the false positives for identifying WGA. The impact has been reduced with their no longer virtually disabling system but even so MS acknowledged that it was occurring."


Maybe so but that was a long time ago and it was a very small percentage affected. And once again Microsoft is not perfect but I can honestly say I have had no issues with activation of Windows on the thousands of computers I manage or the 100's I have worked on in side jobs. I have had to call the Activation hotline once and it was only because of a Motherboard failure that I had to replace with a different model. Simply explained that to the phone rep and walla.
This past year. Many calls, complaints, even being "disconnected" a few times and then mysteriously it was "fixed." That was one of three incidents. All because of hardware replacements.
@bobiroc

The activation hassles that happen when a machine "forgets" it's been authenticated (happens more than you'd like to admit).

In fact, I've had to help two coworkers with this exact issue.
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Really?! I've done it recently...
DevJonny 7th Oct 2010
@RonanSail

...and I downloaded Eclipse 3.5, untar'd it and away we go. Downloaded the SDK, untar'd it. Installed the ADT tools through Eclipse....and finished!

That was all followed from Google's instructions!
@RonanSail
The common user isn't an Android developer. Also, I read up on Android development tools, seeing as I've got an Android phone I'm thinking about rooting. Took little to no work to set up and the tools now work perfectly.
Maybe you should rethink developing for Android and start learning how to use a computer first.
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Seriously. That has got to be THE lamest reason to try an OS. As much as I like Douglas Adams and his Hitchhiker's Guide series, it's a work of fiction. You DO realize that... Right? What's that got to do with trying an OS?
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RE: Is Ubuntu 10.10 yet another chance to ditch Windows?
Loverock Davidson Updated - 7th Oct 2010
@Wolfie2K3
Then it makes sense, since linux is a work of fiction as well. Remember that whole "this is the year of the linux desktop!" thing they would spout?
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@Loverock Davidson
Yes. It was as absurd as your "last nail in the coffin" thing you would spout.
Zealots will spout such silliness.
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Ditch Windows?
Cylon Centurion 7th Oct 2010
No

Update my VM where Linux works best? Yes.

Oh and does anyone know if the netbook edition will offer the multi-touch features?
@Cylon Centurion 0005 the NB has multitouch features that works with up to 10 fingers on some devices like apple's magic trackpad, the original driver for mac has only 4 happy
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@ssj6akshat "the NB has multitouch features that works with up to 10 fingers on some devices like apple's magic trackpad, the original driver for mac has only 4"

And my guitar amp goes up to 11...

Seriously, why do you need to have it work with "up to 10 fingers"? Most people have only got 4 (and two thumbs). What possible reason, other than those of the Spinal Tap sort, could you possibly need more than 4 fingers for multitouch?!
@webmaster

...with the point you're trying to make.
@webmaster@ but they are making some sort of touch language where multiple gestures can be chained to perform complex tasks.
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Well Microsoft to me is Microscam. Releasing Incomplete OS's and the leap frog game upgrading hardware and then software and virus protectors. Oh wait I forgot that is job creation! to me it is fraud! Mac Big Dollars and When you are disabled Vet on fixed income it is not in the budget. Ubuntu is truly as well as well as Linux Mint a nice OS. Free, great concept. And I have had no trouble of either one and how nice giving outdated computer new life. A market for everyone. My computers I use for research so they deliver. I ditched Windows well over a year ago. Even a Chimp learns after a while they say!
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RE: Is Ubuntu 10.10 yet another chance to ditch Windows?
Hallowed are the Ori Updated - 7th Oct 2010
Speaking of chimps, did you have one write that post for you?

Geez, talk about a hard-to-read post.
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@Hallowed are the Ori: has it occurred to you
jacarter3 Updated - 7th Oct 2010
that this is a disabled Vet and may have challenges using a keyboard. This is someone that fought and was disabled to protect your right to be a twit (and that's a term I used because the one that best describes you would be censored here)

For the record, I had absolutely no difficulty reading or comprehending his post.

BTW I support our troops and disabled Veterans to the best of my ability. You might might want to at least have a little empathy.
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One need not throw the baby away with the bath water
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 7th Oct 2010
Windows Folks,

The message is becoming loud and clear, Microsoft is getting old and grey, consuming steak and getting little exercise--ingredients as SJVN points out that will lead to its ultimate demise, unless it takes severe corrective action to break up the monopoly into smaller divisions, which is what the DOJ should have done in the first place.

Read SJVN's most recent article here:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9189727/Microsoft_s_coming_heart_attack_moment_

And read how MS has chosen to 'borrow' money to finance the cost of issuing dividends to its shareholders here:

http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.601.3

The above is not a fabrication. They *are* borrowing money.


Anyhow, my point is, I have never disliked Windows software applications. What I dislike is the eternal security issues and have empathy for the Admins and Users alike who are subjected to severe risk each and every day.

Let's not pretend there isn't risk for *any* operating system. Every O/S is open to exploit. The n'er do wells who find chinks in Apps fuzz to determine where to craft the ever-popular 'induced side-effect buffer overrun'.

It can be done on any O/S.

What sets Linux apart at this stage of development is a technology adaptation called "Linux Security Modules" (LSM).

There are several LSMs available which have been merged to the Linux mainline kernel, and others that although not in the kernel can be just as useful in mitigating risk of attack.

It just so happens that Ubuntu Linux has included an LSM since version 7.04. The LSM, called AppArmor, comes installed with a predefined set of profiles running that sandbox processes running in such a way that your Apps will be placed in a protective 'sandbox'.

This means for all intents and purposes that if/when a zero-day exploit occurs, AppArmor is sandboxing the App in question so that any privilege escalation attempt by said zero-day will fail.

That is a fact. Microsoft has most recently only offered something which I feel is a significant attempt to act responsibly in mitigating their O/Ses security risks. It is called EMET:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=c6f0a6ee-05ac-4eb6-acd0-362559fd2f04&pf=true

To be honest, I have not done an in-depth study of EMET, but on first blush it would appear to provide an additional level of protection to modern-day and legacy Apps, but I'll reserve judgement until I have studied it further.

However, I will point out that EMET is not LSM in the respect that the product runs in its own modular memory space and, unlike LSM, EMET DOES NOT police the *kernel's* actions.

The traditional DLL injection exploit relies on the fact that it can gain control and make kernel system calls without any kind of cross-checking intervention by an external security module.

LSM polices *both* the App and any calls made to the system kernel before they can occur and by default if the actions taken are not defined by the AA profile, then they simply won't happen. AA 'denies' the action.

So, let me reiterate. I like Windows Apps. I don't like Windows security. Even in Windows 7 64-bit, you can get rooted (Alureon). Windows security is defective by design. That isn't just my point of view. The fact that you read every day a new story at ZDnet's Zero-Day blog speaks volumes.

Anyhow, I think you 'get it'. Ubuntu Linux provides stock profiles for your Evolution email (not enabled by default), Mozilla Firefox (not enabled by default), Evince Document Reader (PDF) and a host of other system profiles are running to sandbox your deamon services against incursion.

Albert Einstein once wrote that the definition of insanity is "repeating the same task over and over expecting a different outcome". wink

Don't be a victim. Don't succumb to the ongoing insanity of the unrelenting Windows security travails.

Take action and make a bold switch: make your workstation boot up to Ubuntu Linux as your base operating system and if you need Windows, fine, go ahead and install a virtual machine manager (VirtualBox, VMware, kvm, it doesn't matter) and install Windows into a VM as Jason Perlow and I have done.

I would add that my VirtualBox VM of Windows XP is a fully-patched 'cookie-less' clean install, but its image is flagged 'immutable'. Immutable causes any and all changes (delta file writes) to be dropped at the end of your Windows session and the state of Windows returns to its original *clean* state.

Food for thought? I hope you will take me up on my sincere offer. Give it a try on one machine and live with Ubuntu for at least one month and become an *informed* IT Professional/User.

Ubuntu Linux: The safest operating system on the planet.

I stake my reputation on it.
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@ dabochmeister

"And you miss the point that Windows has benefitted from many many years of unethical (and in some cases illegal) marketing and promotional tactics. You imply it's a level playing field, when it's still not (though aggressive communication is making headway)."

Illegal? Level playing field?

Unethical??? (ever hear of Apple?)

Do you subscribe to the notion that Little League should not keep score at the games?

Do you subscribe to the idea of spreading the wealth?

It is ever so easy to throw red herrings into the discorse but the fact is if you want to look at this from a legal perspective then I challenge you to name a tech company that has not been operating "illegally".

Try to focus on pertinent facts and not side step the issue(s) raised in a reply with rhetoric and hyperbole.

My guess is you are a very liberal democrat with virtual no experience what-so-ever in an Enterprise environment and/or vastly minuscule technical insight into what makes a computer tick, a network talk, and an enterprise environment function. Just guessing though...of course.

I find it sad that so many people are so willing to be stupid and assume that some how MS's success is because of anything other than:
Luck Good strategic planning Forecasting and trend analysis Products that simply work and nearly universal compatibility

Hardware makers, software makers have choices. If they felt there was a profit to be had they'd develop and support Linux platforms.
There is so much hot air exchanged here but at the end of the day the only enemy of Linux and Ubuntu is Linux and the splintering of the Linux world. It reminds me of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

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