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Christopher Dawson

My LMS debacle

By | January 25, 2010, 10:20pm PST

I have to implement a learning management system. District-wide. Yesterday.

Ok, it’s not quite that bad, but one piece of our district strategic plan that we have yet to implement is web-based access for parents and students to assignments and grades. This also happens to be one of the most fervently requested items in our recent meetings with community members to review progress on our strategic plan. So it has come from upon high (i.e., the superintendent, aka, my boss) that this shall be done. Quite frankly, it’s about time that it percolated to the top of my priority list anyway since so many school districts already offer everything from Moodle to parent access to their SIS.

There’s the heart of the problem, though. Right now, many teachers use blogs, Google Sites, Quia, and wikis to publish course information, assignments, documents, etc. We’ve been fairly laissez-faire about the whole thing and teachers have adopted web-based tools as they felt the need. Plenty still haven’t.

We also have an SIS (X2’s Aspen SIS) with scheduling and grading features fully implemented at the secondary level that can support parent and student access to teacher gradebooks, assignments, etc. However, we haven’t rolled out this so-called “parent/student portal” because it requires fairly spotless family management or, in a basic implementations, a login for every student in a family.

About half of our teachers use the full functionality of the gradebook (required to communicate useful information about assignments to parents) while the other half only submit their term and final grades through the system, preferring to maintain their individual assignment records elsewhere. More and more are adopting the SIS as their gradebooks, but it’s a slow process.

Our SIS also doesn’t address our school-home connection needs yet at the elementary level, where a move to standards-based report cards/grading (and all the training and development that entails) is a far higher priority in SIS-land than parent access to gradebooks (that are very much in the pilot phase at the elementary level anyway).

Even with the powerful gradebook functionality, though, our SIS really isn’t a learning management system. It can’t be used to create interactive activities, accept student assignments online, facilitate discussions, etc. For that, you need Moodle, or something like it, with the associated management and overhead. I’m setting up a test Moodle server now, but one of the biggest barriers may be user management. Currently, only our secondary students exist in some sort of LDAP structure that we could leverage; we could also tap our SIS, but that would involve regular exports and imports (seamless integration is a ways away).

In some ways, the simplest solution would be to just give teachers access to our Joomla server and allow them to post assignment updates everyday in a predefined structure and format that would be easy for parents to navigate. This wouldn’t provide access to grades as easily, but we could enable some discussions and interactivity and give parents a level of visibility into the classroom that they certainly don’t have with any consistency now. You also don’t get much easier than posting a quick update every day via a web form. My 7-year old loves when he gets to be door-holder for the week; imagine if he got to be class webmaster for a week!

Other tools like Edmodo and ePals provide very user-friendly features to connect students, teachers, and parents, but entail their own management issues and may lack some of the consistency across schools that we’re after.

So what’s a tech director to do? It’s pretty clear that a one-size-fits-all approach isn’t going to work. I’m meeting with principals and teachers to present our options and get feedback on ways to connect with parents that will make sense, be genuinely useful, and not impose undue burdens on the teachers. If I had to take a guess, I’d expect that we’ll be getting the elementary teachers running with a well-organized Joomla site for posting homework and classroom notices. The secondary teachers, with some serious training from yours truly, will probably get the most benefit from Moodle. It’s a good thing we built in so much professional development time this year. Too bad we didn’t built an extra few hours into each day so I can get this up and running.

What do you think? Where have true learning management systems been the most welcome in your districts? How about SIS-integrated tools? A simple web presence? Talk back below and let us know.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.

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bret307@... Updated - 1st Feb 2010
I have taught in a district that used PowerSchool. I found that if I used the gradebook integrated with PowerSchool that students and parents had almost up to the minute information on where they were at in class.

I did hear from parents that there were some teachers who did not keep their gradebook up to date, which the parents found frustrating. Chances are that those teachers probably didn't have any gradebook anywhere up to date.

PowerSchool, and similar programs, only answer part of the LMS equation. This district to which I am referring to used Blackboard to fill in the other part of the LMS equation. I would venture to say that many districts are going to a mixture of solutions until one very well integrated solution appears.

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dstein42 26th Jan 2010
I went through a large implementation of ANGEL 7.4 (now owned by Blackboard but still supported by the excellent supported organization that ANGEL built). This was a single instance hosted by a publisher designed to handle hundreds of school districts and up to thousands of schools with tight security (students or teachers in one school can't see into another school; district staff can amange all schools, etc.).

ANGEL not only is far more feature-rish than Moodle (e.g. supports adaptive learning paths, full IMS QTI assessments, and rich lesson plans with linked student materials), but it provides an "Insight Window" (limited access accounts) so parents/guardians can interact with teachers, see what the students are doing, etc.

If you're committed to Moodle, you can contract with the folks at MoodleRooms who do a good job of hosting. You may have to run several instances if you need inter-school security since Moodle doesn't deal well with hierarchical business units.

The fact that teachers are using random Web 2.0 apps isn't a bad thing in itself, but you're getting (ahem) schooled in the dialectic between flexibility and optimized control.

Good luck with the Superintendent. If he's channeling Kirk or Picard and you're stuck playing Scotty or Geordi you'll have your hands full (no money, no time, Klingons or Borg with weapons lock, warp core approaching overload).
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jeff.sedayao@... 26th Jan 2010
My daughter's high school uses parentconnect by Pearson. She uses it more than I do to check on her grades, and it works fairly well. My sons' school used to use Powerschool (also by Pearson) but now switched to schoolspeak.

These systems are great when teachers promptly enter grades but are not useful to parents when the teachers don't enter grades promptly.
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bret307@... Updated - 1st Feb 2010
I have taught in a district that used PowerSchool. I found that if I used the gradebook integrated with PowerSchool that students and parents had almost up to the minute information on where they were at in class.

I did hear from parents that there were some teachers who did not keep their gradebook up to date, which the parents found frustrating. Chances are that those teachers probably didn't have any gradebook anywhere up to date.

PowerSchool, and similar programs, only answer part of the LMS equation. This district to which I am referring to used Blackboard to fill in the other part of the LMS equation. I would venture to say that many districts are going to a mixture of solutions until one very well integrated solution appears.

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sirure 26th Jan 2010
I'm still trying to figure out what an LMS is and how it's
different to some combination of your SIS and the school
website.

What are you trying to do with this thing that you can't
already do?

As to Moodle, drop it like a hot rock unless you're willing to
pay for support/assistance from MoodleRooms or
somesuch group.
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rick.sheeley 26th Jan 2010
Chris,

The only comment I have is that even though you are Tech Director at your place of employ, please do not forget about the hundreds of non-tech households in your school district. For rural and poor parents, you technology push does nothing, and basically alienates these parents, most of whom are struggling just to cover their bills.

As an example, my son Phil is a single dad in Columbia, Mo. If I wasn't a techie with extra equipment laying around, Phil wouldn't be on the "web" except for the occasional surf on a friends computer or public library.

You and I both share the responsibility to make sure that our solutions help everyone, not just those who can afford the technology.....

A good article, and cheers for your hard work....

Rick
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techno_pen 26th Jan 2010
The push to be internet-savvy in the schools is going way overboard. That's not what is going to make our kids smarter than the other nations' kids. Our district has used LMS for two years. So much for teaching kids how to sit still and pay attention. Eye contact is almost eliminated. Wasn't someone complaining that kids spend too much time in front of computers/tv/video games? My kids are too lazy to get a real dictionary to look up words, handwriting is awful as they merely peck away at the keyboard... and so on. I use Angel in college and I think 10th grade and up is fine for using computers in the schools- transitioning to college or the business world. But in 4th and 5th grade? Middle school? Give me a break. Gradespeed is a great tool to keep up with kids and their grades- if you can't trust them to bring home notes from school, but yet when kids are so dependent on the computer (and cell phone texting) that they go through withdrawals when they are asked to do dishes, clean their room, or do their own laundry, we've fallen off the wagon. What is the ultimate goal? And why are we sacrificing teaching useful things like how to be a productive person in society when there is no computer in front of you to solve your immediate problems?
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scfore 26th Jan 2010
I didn't see any mention of data privacy concerns. Better make sure you have yourself covered.
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gmasky 26th Jan 2010
"create interactive activities, accept student assignments online, facilitate discussions"....We use Fronter (http://com.fronter.info/) to do what you have stated and found it very good. Fronter is now owned by Pearson.

A free option is eFront (http://www.epignosis.com.gr/) though they also have a commercial version.
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cmiles3 26th Jan 2010
Youngest son was the first class with the SIS here. While it "worked" it didn't provide much in the way of keeping parents informed of school work or students with a reliable assignment tracking system. Frequently the system was down, so the assignments and grades were not available at home about half the time. The teachers had to keep records, so they could load the data when the system was up. Then, the stress level kicked in; Mom & Dad got to see every poor grade, late/missing assignments, and so on, without timely intervention. The most effective teachers LMS systems were the ones they used outside of the official portal; Moodle, blogs, etc.

Grade for SIS from a parent's perspective, D-. Passing, but only just...
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crosendahl 27th Jan 2010
Let us know what your issues are with edmodo. we are moving fast, gaining traction, and building out all of the functionality that you most likely require.

Look forward to hearing from you,

chuck AT edmodo d.o.t. com
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What we do...
infrared 27th Jan 2010
We provide SIS hosting for 3 small districts under 200-350 enrollment each. The Administration eventually said, they had to 'export' to the portal once a week.

they then sent a letter to each parent with the student's ID and PIN, also notifying them that (from now on) the portal would be the only progress reports issued. Final grades are still mailed, however.

Administrators save money, and parents can have more updated info. There are still about 1% of the parents who want something in print. Often, the student prints it and takes it home.

The heaviest users tend to be students, they don't have to bug the teacher to post a sheet on the wall anymore.

We also found that the parents kept the faculty on-task about posting regularly, much to the chagrin of the staff whom don't.

For the staff who grew up without electricity, and don't ever wish to touch a computer, a TA or aide does the input.
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infrared 27th Jan 2010
We use moodle, without difficulty, and it stays separate from the SIS. Links are placed on the Joomla-rized district site as requested.

We switched to LDAP integration, and lowered the grade at which logins are issued to the 4th grade.

K-3 grades have a central student login per class for the teacher to use.

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