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Christopher Dawson

Ubuntu 9.10 = easiest, cheapest upgrade ever

By | October 29, 2009, 10:42am PDT

Summary: My budget manager has already told me to be really conservative as I begin the FY11 budgeting process. I have a few sacred cows and some key line items that I know will be funded, but those Windows 7 upgrades I was looking at? Ummm, yeah…I’m not looking at them anymore.

My budget manager has already told me to be really conservative as I begin the FY11 budgeting process. I have a few sacred cows and some key line items that I know will be funded, but those Windows 7 upgrades I was looking at? Ummm, yeah…I’m not looking at them anymore.

What I am looking at is a web server and a netbook, happily running their upgrades to Ubuntu 9.10. The web server (I just built it yesterday, actually, to run the Joomla! CMS to which I’m porting our distinctly unfriendly district website) was running 9.04. The netbook was running a beta of 9.10. Both cheerfully told me this morning that an upgrade to Version 9.10 was available.

“Would you like to upgrade?” they asked.

“Sure,” I said, as I clicked the upgrade button.

That was it.

[See also: Yes, Ubuntu can absolutely be the default Windows alternative]

Even though the main download mirrors have been hammered today, the server informed me that with my connection, I should expect the download and install to take a few hours (the upgrades happen from software repositories, not the mirrors that contain the install image). About two hours for the netbook. Great. I need one of those Staples “That Was Easy” buttons. [

Having run the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 beta, I’m not too worried about any snags. We’ll see how my freshly configured Joomla! install holds up after the upgrade, but since I was already using the most up-to-date versions of MySQL, Apache, and PHP, there shouldn’t be any issues there, either. I’ll update this post when the installs finish, but that isn’t really even the point here.

The point is that I don’t need to budget for this upgrade. I don’t need to obtain volume licenses and decide where to deploy them. I don’t need to do anything except click the Easy, errr, Upgrade button. Even if we had to pay for it and properly license it, wouldn’t it be slick if we could open Windows Update in XP or Vista, choose an optional OS upgrade, enter our volume license key, and then walk away?

Of course, it would be even slicker if it was free.

Windows 7 is great and a lot of people would argue that it’s worth paying for. Since I work in a system that has a significant investment in Microsoft technologies, both on the back end and the client side, I’d actually be one of them. However, as I look for ways to trim my budget next year, I sure wish cutting costs was as easy as the most recent Ubuntu upgrade.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.

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kb5898 13th Nov 2009
How do you justify success as measured in how vulnerable? Didn't see many stories of how Linux failed versus how easily hackers invaded vista. Why is windows targeted by hackers? Because it simply is so unsecure. It's tageted. I do have to wonder what hackers are using for thier operating system? Maybe we should try to figure that out?
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Ubuntu 9.10 = easiest, cheapest upgrade ever
Loverock Davidson 29th Oct 2009
Worst OS ever! You should read what Dana Blankhorn had to say about your beloved linux! I'll give you a hint, its not good. I can't believe they would release a distro with known harddrive bugs. I'm going to laugh at you when you lose all your data due to corruption.

Are you prepared to spend hours recompiling your kernel? Getting sound configured so it plays more than one at a time? Wishing you had a rich multimedia experience? If so, then linux is for you.

The rest of us will see this as just another ho-hum yawn linux distro release that doesn't offer anything new. I wonder if ZDNet is even going to mention it. Remember how unsuccessful Ubuntu 9.04's release was? ZDNet only had the article on the front page for about 2 hours max because there was no excitement. Nobody gets excited about linux because it is boring! That and the fact nobody wants to use it including Linus T. himself who calls it scarey and bloated and is considering halting development of the kernel.

Which is another point, when that stops you will lose all support and not having support is a bad thing within any organization. Telling your boss to wait a week while you look up the answer on the forums isn't going to fly over well.

There are just too many things wrong with linux to make it usable!
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For generating no excitement
Viva la crank dodo 29th Oct 2009
its interesting how you get in to the articles to post so quickly.

Do you ever get sick of taking peoples comments out of context or exaggerate what they say instead of find actual evidence to support what you say?
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The fart goblin strikes again...
The Mentalist 29th Oct 2009
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You make me feel young
Saurondor. 29th Oct 2009
Loverock, whenever I feel like the years are catching up to me I read your posts and feel myself back in 2001. Such a refreshing deja-vu of FUD.
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about windows and the continuing 1990s complaints still going strong in 2009?
You know the ones about how Windows crashes and is full of security problems ad nauseum.
When Ubuntu receives it's Daily patches, you chock that up to progressive thinking and all system crashes are always "3rd party application problems".
Please.
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And The Blue Screen Of Death lives on... (win 7 edition)
The Mentalist Updated - 29th Oct 2009
As recent as last wednesday, while playing a DVD

http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014306o-2000331777b,00.htm
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Wow, love the scientific analysis...
gnesterenko 29th Oct 2009
With absolutely no testing, trouble-shooting, or research of any kind other then mentioning that "I didn't change my config in a while", the author of that link concludes "I think it's safe to blame Windows 7." Now THAT's quality journalism.

Sarcasm aside A) in place upgrade of a Windows OS always bad idea - asking for glitches just like that one B) No testing on hardware done at all. Doesn't matter if it wasn't changed - hardware does go bad. Motherboards can short circuit, RAM can fail, Hard drives crash, and thats just the start of a very long list, any piece of which would affect any OS and could have caused the same issue.

Your anecdotal evidence is.. well just an anecdote. The response to any and all such claims is, and always should be, show me the data!

"The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."
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today.
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Every OS has a stop error of some kind the BSOD is just Windows stop error. But the poor journalist was quick to blame Windows and yet no troubleshooting or details about the BSOD, Software he was using was provided. Made a comment about a noise coming from the computer. Maybe the disc was unbalanced in the drive tray and the ROM abruptly stopped reading the disc.
recovers more gracefully.
Linux kernel panics occur regularly with Linux and normally troubleshooting is difficult.

With Vista, I was experiencing the system crashing when I brought it out of sleep mode.
But the only reason I knew the system was crashing was because after waking the machine I had a message that windows had recovered from an unexpected shutdown.
With the message I had the option to troubleshoot the problem, which I chose to do and withing a few seconds it pinpointed the problem as my external hard drive. I tested it out and sure enough it was the drive. There were updated drivers for all WD drives similar to mine but not my model unfortunately.

that is my story, which proves Windows is more stable than Linux based systems.

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There's a problem with your logic xuniL_z
awasson@... 29th Oct 2009
@xuniL_z "that is my story, which proves Windows is more stable than Linux based systems."

A story proves nothing. That's why they call it a story. I have a story too...

I've been using a combination of Linux, MS, OSX and others for over ten years and I haven't had a kernel panic with Linux for at least four years. I do however experience the BSOD quite regularly on my 6 month old Vista powered Toshiba Laptop. So much so that I really don't use it more than a few times a month.

Now does that prove that Linux is more stable than Windows?
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I was addressing the OPs post.
xuniL_z 29th Oct 2009
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Ov corse not you id=iot!
burtyboy 29th Oct 2009
Sop you ar es stupid **** sucker nd we all s know it that Mac is best. So bend over and take it like you need it!
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offers a choice to search for the problem, which, again, in my case, it found it for me w/o ANY troubleshooting.
Now THAT is a modern OS.
Let's see Ubuntu do any of that. I didn't think so. Back to the drawing board Shuttleworth, someday you'll get Ubuntu to be maybe half as good as Windows 7.
I'm running windows 7 Professional now btw, and it's awesome. More than worth paying for, as are any worthwhile products in our free enterprise system.
If you have to give your product away, the desperation is evident.

devil
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bobiroc 29th Oct 2009
No screen shot or text from the BSOD. Could have been crash caused by that third party software app or maybe is ROM drive experienced a hardware problem. I love his line that says "I think it's safe to blame windows 7.." and makes no mention of the third party DVD Player program he is using or does not mention if he checked his disc for scratches or where this noise came from. Sound like a media read problem to me.
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garyc2008 29th Oct 2009
"or does not mention if he checked his disc for scratches or where this noise came from. Sound like a media read problem to me. "

So What you telling me is I can expect a BSOD in Win 7 if I use a dirty or scratched DVD ????? Should the OS not stop playback and inform the user of a "read error", surely a BSOD is a bit drastic ? or maybe i misundertand your stupidity ?
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No I am just saying
bobiroc 29th Oct 2009
That there is no concrete evidence that the BSOD is the fault of the OS. A BSOD is just a stop error that Windows uses. Who knows maybe his ROM drive is bad, but he conveniently leaves out the details of the BSOD or any information that can be obtained from the event log that could give a clue what happened. Maybe his application had a memory leak? I could speculate all day but I would never jump to a conclusion that it was the fault of Windows without having proof. What does a stop error look like in Other OSes? BSOD's only happen if it is a severe problem so something severe had to happen. Back in the Win9x days and even the early XP days BSOD's were much more of a problem but Windows Error recovery is generally very good today. So unless you or this journalist can provide concrete evidence that the BSOD was the fault of Windows and not because of his own user error or something from a 3rd party I am going to trump this up as Rubbish. Get the BSOD details and maybe even the event log and we can take it from there.
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Really? ...A BSOD is just a stop error?
awasson@... 29th Oct 2009
:bobiroc: A BSOD is just a stop error that Windows uses.

Wow... I did not know that. I would have thought a slightly more subtle way of alerting the user of a problem would have been available so that they could save up their work before the system went down for a reboot.

I'm just kidding, I realize that a BSOD is more serious than a stop error... I'm just yanking your chain silly

Vista isn't that bad now that it's got patchesd and Win7 is probably going to be miles better but the issue still remains that the BSOD exists and that is a sore point for some of us who get them while others try and deny their existence.
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Absolutely.
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 29th Oct 2009
The OS should stop the playback and tell you that something's up.

However, what caused the BSOD was some kernel-mode code crashing unexpectedly, rendering the OS in an unrecoverable state, requiring a reboot.

Every OS has its equivalent. *N*X has kernel traps and stop errors, Windows has the BSOD.

Chances are that a 3rd party driver for his CD/DVD crashed, taking the machine down with it.
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bobiroc 30th Oct 2009
I am not denying they exist but I have working in IT professionally for about 13 years and have been working with Windows since 3.0 and MacOS since OS6 and while BSOD's do exist today they are very infrequent compared to the days of Win9x and when they do happen it usually means a severe error and a BSOD is a stop error meaning that there was an error that caused Windows to stop and cannot continue. Looking into the BSODs (which sometimes can be hard due to the message displayed) almost always will give a clue that something other than Windows caused the error. Someone mentioned above that he gets a frequent BSOD with his Toshiba and while I am not calling him a liar I would suspect that if it is the same BSOD then he has something wrong with his laptop and maybe he should take it to a qualified tech for diagnosis and I highly doubt that Windows is the cause.
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Do you tie your own shoes?
Raid6 Updated - 1st Nov 2009
"So What you telling me is I can expect a BSOD in Win 7 if I use a dirty or scratched DVD ????? Should the OS not stop playback and inform the user of a "read error", surely a BSOD is a bit drastic ? or maybe i misundertand your stupidity ?"



Do you tie your own shoes?

Is it not possible that some of the story was left out?

Is it possible this one reported incident should not be used as empirical proof that Win7 is poorly tested and designed?

Perhaps you sound a little "under-educated"?

Yes you do, definitely!

If there was a serious problem with the hardware, or the communication between the hardware and the OS (uhmmmmmmm, a driver) then any OS can crash unless it has programming built in to prevent the unlimited number of potential scenarios of failed hardware or poorly written drivers.

That is just one point to ponder...
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Unfair Comparisons
kb5898 13th Nov 2009
Ubuntu would not handle a drive read error the same as windows 7 based on the fact that the application in use uses an engine that treats the error in it's own way. Example if a program such as windows media player encounters a read error while playing a movie, then it crashes based on the programming language engine it was written with. But ubuntu uses a totally different engine which will crash differently. Whether it causes a total failure or not is hard to say. Fedora for example has hard drive failure reporting built in. That alone does not make it superior to anything. Windows however is typically designed to ignore such errors and forcing you to manually run diagnostics to determine the problem. Whether or not the rest of the system locks up depends on how it is going to affect the application. Media player could cause other errors because it hooks into sound and graphics differently than the same linux app does. YMMV in all cases.

What we have to look at is to stop comparing oranges to apples. Neither os is likely to stop running based on read failure but they will respond differently to the same hardware failure. I would rathyer see a message that says, there is a problem reading from device X than see a cryptic message saying something about xxxxx.yyyyyy has stopped responding to zzzz because of aaaaaaaa.bbb failed to tell yyyyyy about it. It might mean something to the programmer but means nothing to the user. If I send a report somewhere is it going to solve my problem? Not really.
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Bill likes it.
So it stays.

Bill gets to add a few lines of code to every final source prior to the build. He never shows anybody what is in it.
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You mean this?
Earthling2 Updated - 30th Oct 2009
Did you mean BSOD screen saver ?

Oh, wait, that might actually explain the Olympic BSOD.
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HAHAHAHAHA!
Marc Erickson 30th Oct 2009
You slay me!
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Do they fix anything?
HypnoToad72 29th Oct 2009
Even the funtime issue where, in a domain, user profiles get 'forgotten' so the server tells the client OS to make a new one after renaming the old one... still happens in Win7.

I doubt file fragmentation, registry fragmentation, and registry bloat have been touched either...

And I'd rather have the full set of hex numbers. Often says more than just a dark blue screen...

Thanks for posting the link. This is another example of not a "solidly engineered" OS but another "soiled rock" that has a pretty green coating on it.
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re:Do they fix anything?
n0neXn0ne Updated - 29th Oct 2009
"And I'd rather have the full set of hex numbers. Often says more than just a dark blue screen..."

Don't worry, it's the same.

^o^


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More FUD.
xuniL_z 30th Oct 2009
Vista recovers from blue screens automatically. It also will then pinpoint what caused the crash, which is always a 3rd party driver or program.
Linux isn't even close.
File fragmentation? That was never a problem because defrags have always been able to be run on a schedule, I run them at night when I'm sleeping on a schedule. Windows 7 wakes my laptop, runs the defrag, which takes 5 minutes, and goes back to sleep.
there is not a better network client than Windows. The amount of integration across the microsoft application stack is the envy of Shuttleworth and something he's recently vowed to try and replicate, in the same way he's tried to make Ubuntu "windows like".
If open source would innovate, that would be one thing, but they are just playing follow the leader and taking existing ideas for everything. Unless you can name some "innovation" from the open source camp.
It's also a drain on the economy. It affects the millions of jobs created by Apple, Microsoft, SUN and others which have allowed the creatin of millions of businesses and more jobs.
Open source doesn't even savea company money since it is high cost to get custom apps which match the existing enterprise/client apps from MS used around the world to drive business every day, let alone get the RAD on top of that existing integration and functionality.

So what does it do? Takes away jobs in the retail and service sectors. If it could hypothetically replace current closed source systems the entire world would see a massive job decline. It replaces nothing. some say it is a move to a services industry, which is untrue. There is already a huge services industry supporting the existing systems.
It would be horrible on the poor of the world.
The poor can't even afford a PC, so a free OS is not gain and the exta 50.00 for one with windows is not going to make or breat the rest.
And since there will be fewer jobs, the gap between the rich and poor widens to the largest chasm this country has ever seen.
Guess it fits in with BO's plan to socialize everything.
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Continues to cascade?
kb5898 13th Nov 2009
My biggest complaint with windows has always been that of if it crashes an application that further down the road the whole system slowly becomes unstable. Linux keeps on running with little or no side effect. If windows were so awesome then why did it never catch on as the choice of professionals as a server? The answer is because it has always had a bad reputation for stability. Kinda like a fast car. Great to have all that speed and power but useless if you can't handle it without crashing.
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Please....
Ceridan Updated - 29th Oct 2009
Stop saying things that makes you look stupid...

Btw I think I just found the name of the last OS religion.... the Cult of Balmer... and your one of their main member.
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Ubuntu
garyc2009 29th Oct 2009
"Nobody gets excited about linux because it is boring!"

well you got excited enough to write several paragrahs of drivel. Idiot.

I personally use Ubuntu as my main Laptop and Desktop OS, what everyone else uses is up to them, its their own personal choice. I don't attack people for using Vista etc, but then you get idiots like this spouting things like

"I'm going to laugh at you when you lose all your data due to corruption"

All i can say to you man is get a life or get laid, your life must be very empty if you have so much time to waste coming on here and writing this nonsense, OK so you dont like Ubuntu, bully for you, your post is full of rage. Fail+

Oh yes btw im an IT Consultant and no, not the mickey mouse MSCE type, i have letters after my name, and I make a good living working with Both Linux and MS products.
PhDir?

Shouldn't you and your letters have better things to do than feed trolls?
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Raid6 Updated - 1st Nov 2009
I wouldn't know you if you farted next to me on the elevator. So you can claim to have what ever credentials you want.

Everyone also has a story to tell, something they claimed someone told them or they observed.

My story is many times, many, many, many times while in school I chuckled when the Linux zealots with their laptops had to re-compile the Linux Kernel, or they were "tweaking the system", and they ended up losing all there data when the process went south.

I have a strong feeling that if you leave it alone, don't do anything to a Linux desktop machine other than just "use" it, don't mess with it, then you are okay.

If you are experienced with Linux, you probably can mess with it, or "tweak" it to the degree that matches your level of expertise.

But how many typical consumers want to be so careful?

How many typical consumers are that careful?

I watched several classmates lose their work. Yes, that is just a story, though true, and yes I don't know all the circumstances though again, I was in the same room and these were people I talked to each day. This is as valid a situation and case as everyone's stories.

Because I observed the data loss and frustrations on MANY occasions, I just simply wont use Linux - these were smart people with several years of working with Linux - young, probably foolish, but still very smart.

I have had Windows machines go south, but I have NEVER lost my data, NEVER on a Windows machine. Yes, that is just another story, another anecdote, but it is one that I am witness to and as such I refuse to step into a foreign land and use a foreign OS that I have zero confidence in.


Hey, Gary2009, are you just Gary2008 but you just realized that it is 2009 and not 2008? Did you know that in the beginning of Monty Python and the Holy Grail that they were just banging coconuts together to make the sound of a horse? And did you know that coconuts really cannot migrate?

Wipe your nose...
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garyc2008 2nd Nov 2009
obscessed ?

most americans i know are intelligent people, you however are the stereotypical "dumb yank"

"I have had Windows machines go south, but I have NEVER lost my data, NEVER on a Windows machine. Yes, that is just another story, another anecdote"

to use your own words.....

"this is all very nice rhetoric and is completely unsubstantiated"

have a look at:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312368

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946676/en-us

even windows 7 has data loss issues

http://www.downloadatoz.com/driver/articles/wrong-drivers-cause-windows-7-data-loss-after-installing-nforce2-3-4-160.html

reading that how are average joe users supposed to work with drivers, device ids bios setttings etc etc...i thought windows was easy ????

ps be careful if you run chkdsk on your 2008 server man,
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/08/05/windows-7-rtm-contains-a-rather-nasty-chkdsk-bug

i could go on and on and on, but im sure someone even as thick as you gets the point ? then again............

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Time de debunk...
Raid6 Updated - 3rd Nov 2009
Desperate, very desperate...

Americans are also two legged, two armed, two eyed, oxygen breathing creatures very much like those that inhabit the rest of the planet known as human beings. Interesting how you choose to paint Americans with a broad brush - for better or worse.

You wrote: most americans i know are intelligent people, you however are the stereotypical "dumb yank"

What is wrong with you? Do you not see that you are actually demeaning yourself with such statements?

I know people who live in Kazakhstan, The Netherlands, and Russia - I would not dream of saying anything as stupid about entire populations as you have in your statement. Again - for better or worse - you simply paint an entire population with an ignorant statement rooted in your own issues of psychosis.

Taking your links one at a time:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312368

Quote from source link: You may lose data that is stored in the All Users folder and you may lose default program templates and settings that are stored in the Default User folder after you reinstall, repair, or upgrade Windows XP. Also, Start menu shortcuts, items in the Startup group, and documents, pictures, or music files that are stored in the Shared Documents folder may be missing.

I mean this is an old XP issue...wow!!! Nice effort on your digging up old issues as this one is over three years old.

Next, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946676/en-us

Quote from source link: A bug has been discovered in the way that the initial release of Windows Home Server manages file transfer and balancing across multiple hard drives. In certain cases, depending on application use patterns, timing, and the workload that is placed on the Windows Home Server-based computer, certain files could become corrupted. For additional technical details about the cause of this issue see the ?CAUSE ? TECHNICAL DETAILS? section later in this article.

I'd like to emphasize on the little part that mentions a bug was found in early versions...

Next, http://www.downloadatoz.com/driver/articles/wrong-drivers-cause-windows-7-data-loss-after-installing-nforce2-3-4-160.html

The title of the article says it all: Wrong drivers cause Windows 7 Data loss after installing nForce2/3/4

And last but not least, http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/08/05/windows-7-rtm-contains-a-rather-nasty-chkdsk-bug

Is this a show stopper? No not really. Yes the memory leak is bad but it's a process that is used so rarely that Microsoft would mark this as minor in terms of bugs.



Yes, please go on...

Google revealed a recent issue with Linux, just a single search, first results out of the box and I find this:

http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2009-08/0174.html

I certainly would not say Linux is garbage because of a bug, I'd say it was human created. As long as it is acknowledged and addressed then I think that is perfectly fine.

Ford, Chevy, BMW, SAAB, and all other auto manufacturers routinely have to recall their cars. Of course the higher priced cars get fewer recalls - naturally - but the point is valid across the board.

Finally, while quoting old stats, lets go with the time to patch issue, this article from the end of 2007:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-vs-Apple-Mac-OS-X-vs-Red-Hat-Linux-82966.shtml
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JMGM 29th Oct 2009
Windows 7 is just the pale copy of the worst OS ever(Vista).It wasn't released yet and got pirated, exploited, and found to be fundamentally insecure(even the UAC security "feature" was found to be flawed by desigh!).I can't believe a multibillion company would release an OS so buggy and flawed. I'm going to laugh when your pc gets pwned by millions of viruses and spyware.

Are you prepared to spend hours scanning for threats(without knowing what's a false positive and what's not, ending up deleting all your data off the disk in some cases!), and scan for spyware,rootkits, defrag your pc everyday for it not to get rotten, and delete all the leftovers of programs in the registry for long fastidious hours? If so then windows is for you.
The rest of us will see this as just another ho-hum yawn windows OS release that doesn't offer anything new. I wonder if ZDNet is even going to mention it. Remember how disastrous Vista release was? ZDNet only had the article on the front page the whole day because everyone wanted to curse the company that stole their money and time. Nobody gets excited about Windows because it is boring! That and the fact nobody wants to use it including Steve Ballmer himself who calls it buggy and bloated and is considering suicide.
There are just too many things wrong with windows to make it usable!

See for a total noob it can work both ways, too bad for you there are people out there who actually TRIED linux before posting nonsense.
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Some call it Fixta
The Mentalist 29th Oct 2009
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Can I use that?
CPPDEV 29th Oct 2009
Fixta! What name could be more apt? (Vista 2.0?)
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Jason Perlow owns the rights to the word...
The Mentalist 29th Oct 2009
you'll have to ask him if he lets you use it too.
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Go ahead!
ericesque 29th Oct 2009
By extension of hater claims that Windows 7 is just Vista 2 or SP3, the popularity and success of Windows 7 will only prove that there was nothing wrong with Vista to begin with-- which has long been the case.

By extension, Vista will be one of the most successful operating systems to date!
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you have already exceeded your dose for the day.
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Really
kb5898 13th Nov 2009
How do you justify success as measured in how vulnerable? Didn't see many stories of how Linux failed versus how easily hackers invaded vista. Why is windows targeted by hackers? Because it simply is so unsecure. It's tageted. I do have to wonder what hackers are using for thier operating system? Maybe we should try to figure that out?
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LOL!
PreachJohn 30th Oct 2009
@garyc2009 and JMGM, etc.
My sides are aching from your apropos comments, as I lol.
My challenge is whether L. D. is possibly for real or not.
In the sense of does he actually believe the guff he spouts. Highly unlikely, and hard to believe, that anybody even reasonably sane could possibly adhere to his patently nonsensical fluff.
I mean, he's a disgrace to the MS community, at best. Very few aficionados of any computer camp are that extremely distorted. Or are that persistently and grossly ignorant.
I'm thankful for that small mercy.
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L.D. real?
Agnostic_OS 31st Oct 2009
Of course not it's a FUDbot
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Dana Blankenhorn...
TriangleDoor 29th Oct 2009
...was responding--in error--to problems reported
in reviews of 9.10 *Release Candidate*, thinking
that they were problems reported for the 9.10
release. He has since corrected his post.
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Oh, Lovepuppet give it a rest!
GoPower 29th Oct 2009
Just because you can't run a Ubuntu desktop
doesn't mean your grandmother can't!
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hahahaha
calanor 30th Oct 2009
I always wait for mr. loverock's comment on a linux article, he is my favorite.
You rock mr. loverock.
And all the linux fanboys, whats wrong with a good dose of laugh, atleast his posts make people smile.
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you are still breathing? why?
ljenux-23043766007667558234416105604265 Updated - 30th Oct 2009
i heard they need volunteers for liver transplantation

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