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What's with all these Macs on campus?

By | August 8, 2010, 12:06am PDT

Summary: Macs seem to be everywhere in the media, despite a relatively small marketshare. However, they are also disproportionately flooding college campuses.

What kind of computer does Jimmy Fallon have sitting on his Late Night desk? A MacBook Pro. On and off 24, Keifer Sutherland uses Macs. Keifer Sutherland, at a Soho Mac Store, courtesy of obamapacman.com. In fact, according to brandchannel.com, Apples have appeared in 107 top-grossing movies, second only to Ford in terms of movie product placement. It doesn’t come as much of a surprise then that close to half of all incoming freshman this fall will have a Mac in tow.

That’s right, 50%. Back in my day, I was a little weird for bring a Mac to college. It was one of the earlier PowerPC desktops and my dorm mates wondered what I was doing at a school focused primarily on science and medicine. Now, as Fortune reports,

Among those who planned to purchase a new computer, 87% planned to buy a laptop. And among those students 47% planned to buy a Mac.

Originally, Fortune keyed in on a Wall Street analyst who downgraded Microsoft, citing a 70% figure for incoming freshmen. His research, however, was based on a sample from 5 unnamed universities. Fortune’s research suggested lower numbers, but still much higher than Apple’s overall PC market share (depending on who you listen to, it’s generally under 10% in the US). So what gives? Is it all just poor, misguided Millennials responding to some brilliant product placement? I hope not since that wouldn’t say much for those incoming freshmen.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
newcomba 7th Apr 2011
I'm a student at Seattle University. Right now I'm doing a marketing project regarding Microsoft and how it can increase its market share again by using Sony VAIO VS. the Mac Notebook.

I actually just bought a new MacBook Pro a few weeks ago (an upgrade from my 2008 MacBook), and I picked the MacBook Pro for multiple reasons:
1. I bought a MacBook initially when I got to college. So for the last 3 years, I have been a convert. It's almost harder for me to use PCs now. Not only that, but Macs generally operate much more quickly than PCs (or at least the PCs I've used)
2. Even with security software, like Norton or other SpyWare software programs, Viruses can still affect Windows PCs. My mother's PC is less than a year old, she needs to frequently think about running spyware deleting programs, or Defrag-ing her system. If I had to run those programs on a regular basis, I would be wasting so much time waiting for my laptop to be able to use.
3. And simply, it comes down to the Macs being easier to use. Software menus are extremely easy to use. They are more intuitive than Windows. After a conversation with a professor, he said it right: "Macs are consumption tools, Windows PCs are programming tools." Since most students aren't busy programming, it's obvious to see which system they choose if they just need to use (consume) a computer daily.

Thanks for your analysis, it brought forward a lot of good ideas!
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What do you expect??
wackoae 8th Aug 2010
It is not that they are all over in movies and TV series. It is mostly due to the exposure to the Apple brand.

iPod, iTouch, iPhone and iPad are a catalyst to Mac computers. People were exposed to products they liked from Apple and are now more inclined to spend the extra bucks on a Mac product. And let be clear .... MacBooks are cooler looking laptops than your regular BestBuy laptop.
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@wackoae: As a bonus, they also happen to be all-around better computers. happy
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@Random_Walk

A student is more likely to do better in school if they have learning tools they actually "WANT" to use.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
HypnoToad72 Updated - 11th Aug 2010
@Random_Walk - I disagree. Having used Adobe CS4 Master Collection on both Mac and Windows, the suite runs snappier - and without as much crashing - on Windows (Win7, 64-bit, Professional edition).

OS X (Snow Leopard, 10.6.4) has some niceties, but having used both platforms I could compile a long list of what's good - and what's bad - about both. Except I don't give away every microscopic detail for free.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
HypnoToad72 11th Aug 2010
@i8thecat - true. Both desire and the development of one's innate abilities make for the best products and services coming out of said students. Never shoehorn or think anybody can do anything just like a machine. Otherwise all of those personality profiling tests are grossly overpaid, empty gimmicks.
I can't comment on relative speeds of CS (OS X vs Win7) but if your CS4 is crashing, then I suspect you have a borked installation. My CS installation doesn't crash on OS X. At least I can't remember the last time it crashed it's been so long, and I routinely work with 1GB to 2GB files in Photoshop. Thankfull with enough RAM to make relatively painless.
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@i8thecat

"...tools they actually WANT to use."

Yeah, why not let the kiddies select the curriculum that the teachers will teach. Heck, why have teachers or grades.

In fact why not have Steve Jobs rule the world!!!

Yeah man!!!!!

Just outstanding logical thinking on your part.
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Good try Raid6....
i8thecat 18th Aug 2010
@Raid6

Are you aware that college students actually do choose what they learn??? They pick and choose classes... And they are our best and brightest minds of the future... And most of them apparently choose Mac... I bet that just burns you up...

Maybe you should leave the logic for those of us that have brains... But keep practicing Raid6... You might pull it off some day... or not.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
HypnoToad72 11th Aug 2010
@wackoae - "cooler"?

http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/04/27/new-macbook-pro-core-i7-models-seriously-overheating/

or

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/core-i7-macbook-pro-keep-it-off-your-lap-if-you-still-want-kids/8126

Not quite "cool", huh. sad

I wonder how many Macbook engineers reported to Steve about that issue...

A BestBuy laptop I'd expect to overheat. They sell for $1349, come with Blu-Ray, a quad-core i7 CPU, 6GB of RAM, and more. A $2300 laptop whose specs are LOWER THAN THOSE MODELS (4GB RAM, and dual-core i7) certainly shouldn't.

Yet does.

Extremely poor QC on Apple's part and it's disheartening.

Can't they afford to hire a few people to ensure a good product is made? Apparently not.

Then again, if they ignored the engineer who went to the top re: iPhone 4's antenna, nobody should be surprised at the... possibilities.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
Geuseppi Updated - 8th Aug 2010
I started off in the computer world with an Apple IIe. Moved up to the Mac world with an LC and a IIfx. After that I moved to the "dark-side" of windows.

I made the move because of the lack of software that was available at the time. I loved the OS on the Mac but it just wasn't offering the selection of software that I was searching for.

Fast forward 7 years... I purchased an iPhone and remembered how much I loved being the owner of a product that was made by a company that cared for their customers and was at the top of the game when it came to cutting edge innovation.

I decided to take a look at what applications I would be able to use for the things that I use my computers for. I found the the market had changed. Everything that I had looked for in the past was suddenly available!

I decided to give Macintosh another try and purchased a Mac Book Pro. I instantly fell back in love with a product that I had not even looked at in many years.

Now I have an i7 iMac (damn this thing is fast) and a regular Macbook. Couldn't be happier with them.

I still use Windows server 2k3 for the domain in my home network. I also use SMB to serve my media to my hacked AppleTVs. But for my main computers, for both work and play, I have chosen what I believe to be the best option for a computer and OS today.

It is nice to be back "home".

I almost forgot one of the other things that I love about the Apple world... It just works.... that is one of the current catch phrases out there. It should be "It just works together"

I currently have a Time Capsule. I extend the coverage of my network using two airport expresses. I have had an iPhone since the 3g (I have gotten the new one every release). 3 AppleTVs (The AppleTV is a bit of a bummer for one reason... to get streaming network video you need to hack it)

But everything in my Apple arsenal just works well together. Makes for an easy to administrate powerful computing family of devices.

"It just works, together" That should be the new catch phrase.
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My timeline is somewhat different
NonZealot 8th Aug 2010
@Geuseppi
I started with the Apple II and at the time, it was a great computer. A few years later, I was forced to use the original Mac at work and that was easily the worst computer system I've ever used in my life. Slow, crashy crashy crashy, terrible screen, absolutely terrible in every single way. Oh the irony of all those who complain about being forced to use Windows at work. Try being forced to use the original Mac at work. Ugh.

Apple did the right thing by abandoning the Classic Mac OS. It was never a good OS. It could not compete with any version of Windows that was out at the time.

OS X is at least built on good roots but Apple seems absolutely incompetent when it comes to writing their own software. Everything they've added to the kernel has been an absolute disaster. So while I was happy to buy a MacBook, I was just as happy to install Windows 7 on it to truly unleash the power of the hardware. OS X is truly that bad.

to get streaming network video you need to hack it
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But everything in my Apple arsenal just works well together


Don't you see the irony in your statement? Something that requires hacking in order to work to your goals is not something that just works well. Their new catch phrase should be: We have a million apologists waiting to apologize for all our deficiencies.

I currently have a Time Capsule. I extend the coverage of my network using two airport expresses. I have had an iPhone since the 3g (I have gotten the new one every release). 3 AppleTVs (The AppleTV is a bit of a bummer for one reason... to get streaming network video you need to hack it)

I currently have an HP Media Smart Windows Home Server that handles all of my backups automatically for me, streams music and video, acts as a file share, and performs a couple server duties. I extend the coverage of my network using a D-Link DAP-1522. I have an iPhone 4. I have a Windows 7 nettop computer as my HTPC (no hacking required). My iPhone 4 remote controls my iTunes library just fine on that HTPC so I can listen to music on my stereo and control it without turning on my TV. All of it truly does just work well together. You have slurped too much of the Apple kool aid if you believe you need to buy everything Apple in order to make things work together.
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Here comes the aneurysm
GoPower 8th Aug 2010
Do you get in fights with folks who don't drive the same car, or wear the same clothes? What a one track loser.

@NonZealot
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@NonZealot
that "original" Mac called? Let me give you a clue the Lisa likely should not be an option the Lisa was never actually considered to be a Mac. However after that came the Mac but there was the Mac blank which originally referred to the amount of ram it came with.

Pagan jim
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Does Windows need to emulate OS/X?
tonymcs@... 8th Aug 2010
@Geuseppi

No it doesn't. Yet all the Mac owners I know have some version of Windows installed so that they can get work done.

It's simply marketing. There's one born every minute, which keeps Apple growing wink
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@tonymcs@...

Microsoft spends twice as much on marketing as Apple.

All those Reps taking Mike Cox and his friends out to dinner must really add up... what was the tab for your last "business meeting", Tony ?

So, sorry, "marketing" isn't a legitimate argument.

And yes, I have a copy of W7 installed.

I haven't USED it since installing it though.

It's there in case I need to run something windows-only like Gcode simulation ... although there's NX CAM for Mac now.

I'm trying to get our college to buy a seat so I can evaluate it. It's GOT to be better than MasterCam.

And for now Crossover Mac runs the odd simulation.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
HypnoToad72 11th Aug 2010
@tonymcs@... which now includes me.

It is about marketing. And a cool GUI (based on FreeBSD and GNOME, but that's okay). Otherwise the *applications* would run *better*. And not "just work".
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
HypnoToad72 11th Aug 2010
@Geuseppi - try using Time Machine to
(a) restore specific files
(b) clean up obsolete data
(c) see how much space it automatically deletes as the drive fills up

It just works, but it doesn't always work very well.

Neither does iTunes. Especially when adding music, or organizing it in folders the way I want it to. It's a very 2D-application. Do it the way the programmer made it, regardless of how user-unfriendly it is.
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reasons
banned from zdnet 8th Aug 2010
and don't forget the mac is the only computer that can run mac os x, windows and linux natively. kind of three computers in one.

and chris, in general and i know for IT guys that concept is very hard to grasp, students buy macs (even for a higher price) because they think they are better!

imagine that. a better product, a higher price. not because they are sexy or cool or you see them in movies but because of quality, durability, longevity, ease of use, design, powerful included software (iLife), lack of need for antivirus software and if you would factor in their resale value they are even cheaper than you POS dell garbage.

the world (at least the future leaders) are finally waking up after the decades of microsoft dominated dark age of computing. 5% market share worldwide, 10% in the us. apple has plenty of room to grow.
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@banned from zdnet
man, you are asking for it! the winnerds are going to tear you a new one! it's all about marketing, nothing more. just ask them. crapple and marketing.
9 years in pc support and 4 years as a windows network admin and when i left i asked myself one question: what did i learn from that? answer: i don't want one of these things.
been on mac's since.
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Try being an Apple network admin
John Zern 8th Aug 2010
It got to th epoint where the entire network was scrapped and replace with Dells at one location I deal with.

Imagine, that: Going to a Dell/Windows network to save time and money...
@John Zern The fact that your team is too incompetent to do the job is not an issue with OSX. The fact that you replace Macs with Dell computers (who pretty much everybody is replacing due to unreliability) shows that your team are just typical Windows guys.

Neither Macs or Unix computers are hard to setup. You have to be really incompetent to claim that setting up an Apple network is hard to do.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
buddhistMonkey 10th Aug 2010
@John Zern ((( "Try being an Apple network admin..." )))

I used to be the Apple network admin for the largest on-demand printer in New England. In fact, I was their entire Apple IT department. Everything was so easy to set up, use, and maintain that I ended up spending half my time working in the art department doing page layout, because there wasn't enough IT work to keep me busy.

If you can't admin an Apple network with the utmost ease, then you are simply, grossly incompetent.
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Couple points
NonZealot 8th Aug 2010
@banned from zdnet
and don't forget the mac is the only computer that can run mac os x, windows and linux natively. kind of three computers in one.

That isn't true, most modern computers can run OS X, they simply aren't legally allowed to because Apple "says so". Using your logic, Windows is better than OS X because it can run iTunes and Zune software.

5% market share worldwide, 10% in the us. apple has plenty of room to grow.

Maybe. Apple has something like a 99% marketshare in laptops that cost more than $1,000. For the other 95% of the complete market, Apple isn't competing against Dell or HP, they are competing for people who aren't interesting in spending $800+ (Mac Mini + monitor + keyboard + mouse) for a desktop computer or $1,000+ for a laptop. Apple has made it very clear that Apple doesn't want those people as Apple customers and that's fine, but let's not pretend that Apple is ever going to make a serious dent in that 5-10% computer marketshare until Apple decides they want to compete in the lower price points. OS X's usage marketshare has stagnated. The real growth in actual usage seems to be coming from iOS, not OS X.

Now, before you freak out on me and foam and froth and spit and kick and scream, read what I wrote. I didn't actually write a single bad thing about Apple. So breathe, breathe, and breathe one more time before hitting reply.
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One point....
James Quinn 8th Aug 2010
@NonZealot
No you did not say anything bad about Apple.. Congrats NonZ! Yay NonZ. That said you did point out that HP and Dell sell more laptops but I would ask you if you ran a business which would you rather have Apple's margins and profitability or Dell's?

Pagan jim
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what?????!!!!???
banned from zdnet 8th Aug 2010
@NonZealot
is that really you, nonzealot? wink
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OSX could run on SUPPORTED hardware.
wackoae Updated - 8th Aug 2010
Not all hardware supports OSX. So you are only partially right about OSX running on most modern computers.

In fact, that is a HUGE advantage Apple has over PCs. Because the hardware conbination is limited, the OS can be tailored to run more efficiently. On the other hand, Windows is bloated, because it must included support for millions of unknown combination of brands, models chipsets and configurations. That throws away any chance of real hardware optimization.
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@NonZealot I don't think they will have to lower prices. They are taking over the market from the bottom up. Whats going to happen when those 50%'ers leave college with their Macs. They are going to continue to use Macs, start families and have their kids interested in Macs. And behind them will be more students going through college with Macs.

Seriously I'm really starting to doubt the way market share is counted for OS. It has gotten to the point that anytime I see a laptop out in public or it seems like especially in an airport its a Mac. I mean its literally starting to feel like having anything else is out of the norm. I'm starting to have a hard time believing that Apples share is only 5%. And mind you I am a Linux guy and by no means a fan of OS X though I really like the MacBook Pro exterior hardware design.
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@Storm14k
What's going to happen to those 50%'ers is that they're going to take their Macs home, and head to a job where almost all of them will be using Windows machines. The corporate world by and large doesn't use Macs and the college students better know how to operate a Windows machine or they're going to be flipping burgers for a living or grabbing one of the very few Graphics Design jobs at sites that still insist on Macs.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
HypnoToad72 11th Aug 2010
@NonZealot - why do people keep flagging you?

It is true Apple has 99% of the laptops costing more than $100. Well, maybe 90%, but the competitors - at post-$1000 range, all offer much more bang for the buck. MacBooks feel solid, but the overheating problems can be found in the $2300 dual-core Macbook Pro just as they can on the $1300 quad-core Sony. If I want a portable toaster, I'd rather spend $1300 and get the meatier hardware that would make more sense to get so warm to begin with.
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You guys have it all wrong.
Peter Perry 12th Aug 2010
@Wacoae Windows isn't built to support all this hardware, it is built with features in the OS and then the vendors create hardware that exploits those features.

Now if you're claiming Windows is Bloated consider the fact that the multimedia support of Windows Vista and 7 completely blow OS X away straight out of the box and I want a system that supports Blu Ray as well as multiple HDTV Tuners without a 3rd party add-on... Also, pretty much every Graphics card on the Planet supports Windows while very few support OS X.

I'm not taking shots at OS X either, just pointing out facts that you overlooked or spoke out of turn on.
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James Quinn
John Zern 8th Aug 2010
That's a no brainer, of course: Apple margins, as it sits now.

Which is exactlly why Apple won't allow OS X to run on anything other then a Mac. Imagine the price wars, should Dell and HP be leagally allowed to build a system to run OS X: If OS X is really that much better then Windows as you claim, then imagine the hit Apple would take should Dell or HP sell the same system Apple does, for half the price?

Good-by Apple profftt margins happy
@John Zern
Now part of that way is control. Sure sometimes it seems a bit extreme but as I've stated before I've been in computer repair and support for close to 30 years now and as a matter of face what can go wrong will go wrong and with Apple the "chances" for something to go wrong, to slow down one's system due to bad programming and such is lessened and in my opinion lessened considerably. Is there room for improvement sure is. Now is there also a lack of flexibility and or walls that can be run into sure are but I don't purchase my Apple products with the idea that I'm going to go off on a tangent but more like I know what the given device will do and it just so happens that is what i want it to do so I'm good. Do I care that in "theory" it could do X, Y and Z? Nope that is not why I purchased the device in the first place I just want it to work and it does and does it well.

If Apple lost that control if HP and Dell made OSX products then the world of Apple would fall apart OSX would be bogged down with everyone's poorly written app and manufacturers would be installing blank ware to make up for the money they don't make on each and every sale as apposed to the Apple way of doing business now.

Pagan jim

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Mac Clones
dave95. Updated - 9th Aug 2010
@John Zern

Apple tried licensing their OS before with Power Computing, Motorola etc in the 90's, with not so great results for the company. Jobs killed that program when he returned. If it continued, they would have forced Apple to cut corners in hardware and quality just to compete. It probably would have diminished the whole brand also as the clones race to the bottom (Like Dell, HP). Apple is where it is today because of Jobs insistence on offering quality (even if they sacrificed market shares to do so).

Funny enough, having experience with all brands, Dell and HP are the ones I promised never ever to purchase again. I wonder why?
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
HypnoToad72 Updated - 11th Aug 2010
@banned from zdnet - 2010 Macbooks overheat. 2009 and 2010 Macbooks had problems with SSDs with the SATA interface. The iPhone 4's antenna problem that was reported to senior managament and ignored outright. Windows 7 freezing in Boot Camp (due to the buggy nVidia chipset Apple chose). 2009 Mac Pro optical drive making loud noises (replacing the drive doesn't resolve the problem.) The 2009 iMac (and 2010 iMac) having reports of overheating as well. Even a BestBuy employee told me the number of RETURNS customers made. I even posted on an online forum about my 2009 iMac, before selling it. Applebots told me "that's an okay temperature". No, it's a poor quality cooling system. I've built PCs for years and NEVER had a northbridge get that hot.

Stuff that's repeatable and everything I've said is readily found via web searches. I am not convinced it's "quality", unless you ad the adjective "low" in front of it.

Granted, the unibody design is nice - but I can get my 2009 Macbook Pro (17") to get to 93 degrees C on full load. The 2010 model -- I've posted links elsewhere in this article. They are NOT well-built.
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Not true
Peter Perry 12th Aug 2010
@banned from zdnet Thats not true, a lot of them buy them cause their friend has one and they think it is cool... Of course a lot of women buy them because they're cute...

As for better, it is Foxconn and sorry but they don't have a reputation for being better... So you may be right buy saying they think they're better but that just means the decision wasn't an informed one.

I'm not knocking anyones choice but in my experience (yes I own a Mac, iPad and my own custom built PC) they're not better or worse than other brand name computers on the market.
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Most of the time, my students have had some experience with Windows kicking them in the butt?most of them grew up on XP, and what they run at home is probably the cheapest Dell or HP their parents could get, probably pre-loaded with XP or Vista Home Basic. Not many have seen Windows 7, given that the recession hit and new computer buying in most families slowed down.

Is it any wonder they don't want that experience for themselves? We think of them as being super tech-saavy, but many of my students aren't?no more than any other age range. And when their daily at-home use machine has been underpowered Vista Basic or an old XP box, they're not feeling warm and fuzzy about it.

And then they see the mac options. All three laptops are beautiful, no complexity in what OS to get, and the promise of no viruses or spyware. Nobody wants to do tech support when they're 200+ miles from home...

They're already half-talked into an Apple when they come to chat with me. Let them know about the free iPod touch and the student discount Apple runs every summer, and most of my students walk out the door with an Apple. I get the emails every August... "Bought a Mac! It's awesome!"
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The last Windows OS I used at home is XP. That was 2 years ago. About every 18-24 months I would do a clean re-install of the OS in order to get it to work properly. My system over time would become slow and unresponsive,despite disk defrags, diagnostics etc.
It's been two years now with my iMac and can safely say that those problems are behind me. I've also upgraded to Snow Leopard without a single hitch.

I"ll also point out the design is awesome. No more noisy fans, no more cables behind the desk gathering dust, great backup software through time machine (will work with any USB drive you plug into it), great software in iLife (I've also moved up to Aperture for more advanced photo editing).
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
illegaloperation 8th Aug 2010
@MG537 You are comparing Windows XP which was released in 2001 to Mac OS X Snow Leopard which was release in 2010?

Let's compare the iPhone to PalmPilot, shall we?
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@day2die

OK shall we compare windows 7?

I run Windows 7 on a fairly new machine. While it's a vast improvement over Vista, I still get the multiple blue-screen of death crashes weekly (sometimes multiple times a day). I get the occasional freezing just waking it up from sleep. The machine is not as responsive as when I first bought it; that famous Windows slowing down over time lives on.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
nccastle@... 9th Aug 2010
@day2die
@dave95
I don't know what you are doing, but it must be ridiculously insane to get multiple blue screens per week.

Diagnosis of Issue: Problem Exists Between Computer and Chair
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nccastle@... 9th Aug 2010
@day2die
@dave95
I don't know what you are doing, but it must be ridiculously insane to get multiple blue screens per week.

Diagnosis of Issue: Problem Exists Between Computer and Chair
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buddhistMonkey 10th Aug 2010
@day2die ((( "You are comparing Windows XP which was released in 2001 to Mac OS X Snow Leopard which was release in 2010?" )))

Yes, because nearly 62% of Windows users are still using XP. By contrast, an equally large majority of Mac users are running Snow Leopard by now (or Leopard, if they don't have an Intel Mac).

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Windows-7-Passes-Vista-In-Users-XP-Still-King-149065/
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Peter Perry 12th Aug 2010
@dave95 If you're crashing Windows 7 that badly then You're probably running the last Packard Bell on the planet or maybe it is just you... Of course you could be lying which would also be a good option.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
peterpulmonary 8th Aug 2010
the reason, brand cache and great marketing, same reason everyone is trying to get in to the same colleges.
faced with that emotional appeal, the crowd of students find the concept that pc's are actually cheaper more versatile, a concept that is hard to grasp.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
weisbrichabear Updated - 9th Aug 2010
@peterpulmonary
It is all about marketing a premium priced product with snob and herd appeal. I think few college kids know about the capability of the Mac vs Sony. The wealthy people, I know drive Benzes, BMWs and Volvos.. those are the same folks who want a Mac, the PC for the elite and well off. Emotion as the base for marketing works, has forever.. As long as Apple continues to be great at selling premium priced products to the people with money, I will hold and acquire more Apple shares. If the have to stoop to compete on price, I will sell my shares fast.
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RE: What's with all these Macs on campus?
weisbrichabear Updated - 9th Aug 2010
@weisbrichabear SPAM?? Can't say "V A I O", but can say Mac? Sheeesh!
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Gee, I better go out and buy one!

Seriously though, the whole bit about how many movies and television shows a product has been on or which celebrities use it is completely irrelevant. For example, how many Coke and Pepsi cans do you see prominently displayed in movies? Pay attention sometime a and count them. This is the same idea. I'm not belittling the product - just saying that if you buy something because it's what Mr Sutherland uses or because you saw it sitting on a talk show host's desk as a prop, then you are being led by the nose by the marketing machine - just as you would be if you switched to Coke just because you saw a movie star drinking Coke.
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It's all marketing
illegaloperation 8th Aug 2010
It's all marketing. Apple can market any garbage as magical and people would buy it.
@day2die
It took them 4 tries but finally the iPhone is a decent product.

My MacBook Pro is a very well built laptop and is the best Windows laptop I've ever used. Both Apple and Microsoft have benefited from my experience as they've both gained at least 1 other customer based on my recommendations. My #1 tip for your new Mac? Install Windows. OS X is utter garbage.
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@NonZealot
I would just point out that as far as the iPhone from the very first gen to the iPhone 4 a great many people disagreed with you. They obviously felt due to sales figures that even the first gen iPhone was well worth it.

Pagan jim
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I'm a student at Seattle University. Right now I'm doing a marketing project regarding Microsoft and how it can increase its market share again by using Sony VAIO VS. the Mac Notebook.

I actually just bought a new MacBook Pro a few weeks ago (an upgrade from my 2008 MacBook), and I picked the MacBook Pro for multiple reasons:
1. I bought a MacBook initially when I got to college. So for the last 3 years, I have been a convert. It's almost harder for me to use PCs now. Not only that, but Macs generally operate much more quickly than PCs (or at least the PCs I've used)
2. Even with security software, like Norton or other SpyWare software programs, Viruses can still affect Windows PCs. My mother's PC is less than a year old, she needs to frequently think about running spyware deleting programs, or Defrag-ing her system. If I had to run those programs on a regular basis, I would be wasting so much time waiting for my laptop to be able to use.
3. And simply, it comes down to the Macs being easier to use. Software menus are extremely easy to use. They are more intuitive than Windows. After a conversation with a professor, he said it right: "Macs are consumption tools, Windows PCs are programming tools." Since most students aren't busy programming, it's obvious to see which system they choose if they just need to use (consume) a computer daily.

Thanks for your analysis, it brought forward a lot of good ideas!

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