Girl predicts her death on Facebook, shot by mother

By | December 8, 2011, 7:47pm PST

Summary: 12-year-old Ramie Grimmer posted a chilling message on Facebook earlier this week. Hours later, her mother shot Ramie, Ramie’s brother, and herself. Last night, Ramie died of gunshot wounds.

12-year-old Ramie Grimmer died yesterday after being shot by her mother, officials confirmed today. Earlier this week, she predicted her death by writing “May die 2today” on Facebook.

Ramie posted the message on Monday during a seven-hour standoff with police at a Texas welfare office. 38-year-old Rachelle Grimmer, Ramie’s mother, took a supervisor hostage after her family was denied food stamps.

Grimmer eventually released the supervisor, but later shot her two kids: Ramie and 10-year-old Timothy Grimmer, before killing herself. Police spokesman Joe Baeza said Ramie died of gunshot wounds last night, according to CBS News, while Timothy remains in critical condition. He will remain in the hospital for some time and will then be released into the care of relatives.

The children’s grandmother, Mary Lee Shepherd, said her former daughter-in-law had a history of mental problems. The family moved to Texas from Ohio nine months ago, and wandered from residence to residence. At one point they lived in a tent on the beach from which they sometimes begged for food. Texas Child Protective Services had been asked to look into the status of the children while they were living on the beach, but determined no signs of abuse or neglect. Private charities in the area said the Grimmers never requested help.

The mother first applied for food stamps in July but the Texas Department of Health and Human Services says the agency rejected Grimmer’s application because she did not submit enough information. Authorities were unable to reach her to find out more, so the case was eventually closed. It appears the Grimmers never received any benefits from the state, despite their situation.

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Why the hell is this on a tech site?
happyharry_z 16th Mar
This is a new low for ZDnet. Next you'll be interviewing Paris Hilton...
Tragic all round.

Pity they just didn't give her the damn stamps.
@Claverhouse

It's a damn shame, but if they needed food stamps how did they have access to Facebook?
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A very fair question
wackoae 9th Dec
@rob.sharp@... It is always amazing how people who claim to have economical needs, never have any problems paying for non-essential luxuries.
@wackoae: Uhm, sure, let's assume that the people with a hundred macbooks are far more common than those poor people who you won't hear anything about since they have no access to computers. Just because the loud minority often is composed of crazy people that also often are wrong, that doesn't say anything about the silent majority. That silent majority who cant afford a computer, or even can't afford to get to a library to borrow one.

It would be like saying that because at least one of your friends is a proven hypocrite, you must be one too. But you don't like that conclusion as much, do you?
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@rob.sharp@...

In your zeal for blaming the victim, you forgot about public libraries. Public libraries offer free Internet access. Sometimes to the whole public, more often to card holders only.

The article really tells us too little to know if that is how she got access. Less likely is that she had a cell phone or an iPod accessing a nearby wifi access point.
@rob.sharp@... Rick?? Rick Parry is that you??.......School? Public Library? Workforce Services........maybe even a dumb-phone from a grandparent?

You people should be ashamed! I hope karma bites you in the a**!
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@rob.sharp...
Have you ever heard of a public library? They have PCs to use for free there. My little sister uses them all the time, as she lives in a rural area and has no internet connection.
@rob.sharp@... Let's do some investigation and answer your question, since it seems you are serious about it. I'd like to start by saying that your ignorance has caused you to be an *******. And that is what ignorance does to people. Wake up. Secondly, she got facebook the same way everyone does, the only way. Connecting to the internet. Now lets investigate how that could have been done with no money. Ever heard of Wi-Fi big guy? Oh you have? Ok cool, don't be a dick until you read and use that thing called common sense.
@Claverhouse I've unfortunately had to deal with state/govt institutions a couple times during this economy. Probably wasn't able to provide proof or residence or some such nonsense. F$#%^%! Bureaucratic filth! Texas no less........somewhere Rick Parry lights a cigar and smiles......''serves em right" to the cheers of tea-baggers everywhere.............sigh
What a damn shame.
@ wackoae@ In this day and age, its evident that some people need to learn a few things.
1.) My home, burned down in 2008, (December 12th), and even though I had called the insurance company the next morning from my nieces' home, I had to submit a report online.
2.) To receive benefits during this time, I also had to use a computer to submit all pertinent information, and ended up having to use email numerous times. After getting some clothes for my wife, our two sons, and myself, the very next thing I purchased was a cheap laptop; since my niece had to use her computer for work.

Its the times we live in....
@Rapid Rec

This wasn't a case of a family buying a cheap laptop. The children posted to their facebook accounts via cell phones.

Timothy's facebook page is still up and running.

No matter how one looks at it, a cell phone with a texting plan is not a necessity for ten and twelve year old children, who's family is struggling to provide food and shelter.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002855864255&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100002855864255&sk=wall
"It appears the Grimmers never received any benefits from the state, despite their situation."

Ya think?
@grahamfluet I'm not usually that political, but thank Rick Perry for that one. Fortunately he seems to have fallen in his run for being President, otherwise I would be really frightened for this country.

Prayers for the dear children who had nobody to look out for them and love them as they truly deserved.
@terry flores Yeah, and I think those kids were in danger even if they had gotten food stamps....
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@grahamfluet .... they need food stamps, but had no problem paying for non-essential services like internet access (they can get that for free at a local library or McDs free wi-fi) or cellphone.

This problem has more to do with the mental health of the woman, than actual economical hardship on the family.
@wackoae: The source article said nothing about how or where they accessed the internet. As far as I can tell, the update can have been written from a friend's house.

(But of course, in this case it's more about mental health than economics.)
@wackoae Again........the places where you apply for government services?? Usually they do have computers open to the public for job searching and the actual applying for those benefits! Shame on them for being poor!

Other options? Friends house, public school, library, wifi at McD's or, believe it or not, you can post to facebook with an old school phone that is a 'necessity' when looking for work. Boost, Cricket, any of those sound familiar?

And shame on you for being a disgusting excuse for a human being!
Once again we see how awesome facebook is. Arab revolutions... death predictions.. just amazing.
@paul2011 it seems to me the article said she posted it during the stand-off at a welfare agency in Texas???? So they may not even have had a computer in their home...
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RE: Girl predicts her death on Facebook, shot by mother
neil.postlethwaite@... Updated - 9th Dec
I'm sure once raked over, Social Services, School, Health Professional and Health and Safety Police will be seen to be 'systemically failing', again. Again. Again............
"The mother first applied for food stamps in July but the Texas Department of Health and Human Services says the agency rejected Grimmer???s application because she did not submit enough information. Authorities were unable to reach her to find out more, so the case was eventually closed. It appears the Grimmers never received any benefits from the state, despite their situation."

Sounds like bureaucracy has killed a family
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Not to sound harsh...
Bruizer 9th Dec
@Samic

But it sounds like a mentally unstable and troubled 38 year old mother of 2 killed the family.
@Bruizer: System failures let it happens. Good enough?
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@Samic It wouldn't be the first time; it certainly won't be the last.
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This is simple
pizzaman7 9th Dec
The woman had mental health issues obviously. Some of you are trying to make this a political statement. These kids should of been given to someone who could take care of them. The mother should of been put in an institution until at least she was stable enough to take care of herself. One thing the government could of done better is to recognize the dire situation and taken these steps.

Giving her food stamps would not have cured this problem. You can't have kids and live in tents.

In general, people with mental health issues don't get much help in this country. We are so afraid of doing things against their will but if you have these issues you will not recognize your own problems. There are situations when people need to have this kind of care forced upon them. She was a threat to herself and others. I have unfortunately have had to deal with this with a family member. It is not fun. Even getting them the care they need is short term and then they can decide to discontinue it and slide right back into problems.

Our society deals with physical problems with your body but when it comes to the mind we have no clue. The human brain is the most complex of our organs and if you have a chemical imbalance it will not function correctly.
@pizzaman7 +1000!!!
This has nothing to do with Facebook, and it really has no place on ZDNet. Just sayin'...
Most crazy mothers drown their kids in lakes or bathtubs? Sad fact is who pays for the dysfunction actions of this woman, Texas or Ohio? More hand outs than food stamps were needed here. Her kid has a device to post things on face book and she has money to buy a handgun yet not enough for food. She should have just robbed a bank for more free money and left the kids at the beach.
@BMB395: Maybe the device was a friend's computer, and the gun could have been old, from before there were any problems. But since the article says nothing about it, there's no way we can easily know.
@Natanael_L

Actually we can look at ten year old Timothy's facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002855864255&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100002855864255&sk=wall

He posted to facebook with his cell phone, regularly from August until the middle of October.
@BMB395 Did any of you read the article? Here: "Ramie posted the message on Monday during a seven-hour standoff with police at a Texas welfare office."

C'mon people...Reading comprehension anyone? Really?? Sheesh!!!
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Two tragedies here
cwallen19803@... 9th Dec
The deaths, obviously, but what is also sad is the notion that a posting on Facebook passes as a plea for help, or a communications channel at all.

Want help, use a telephone. No, I don't know the girl's circumstances. "We" need to unweld ourselves from Facebook and treat it as the tool that it is, not as a replacement for everything else.
@cwallen19803@... Agreed. How likely is it that anybody will take you seriously if you write such things on Facebook? It's not like they can hear the seriousness or panic in your voice - if there's even anybody reading it.
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The woman was obviously mentally ill, or she would have long ago sold the gun for food!
Why would anyone in this day and age ask for help from a private charity? Big govt is here to help - isn't that enough?
My prayers go out to this family.

Tragic.

Isn't the minimum age to use Facebook 13? If so this 12 year old girl was in non-compliance of Facebook's TOS.
@PTS_

The ten year old boy also had a facebook page. He had 35 friends. Most of them appear to be around the same age as he was.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002855864255&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100002855864255&sk=wall
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Tragic
sboverie Updated - 9th Dec
It is tragic that a mother would feel so desparate to get food stamps that, when denied, she killed her children and herself. I have read a few other accounts of this story but most stick with the same information as this article. One reason why she was denied food stamps was that her divorce support payments were more than allowed.

The girl sent the message to her grandmother, who replied that she was there for her. I have not seen any information about the device the daughter used or how she got it. The irony of this is that people with mental problems don't often seek help but in this case the mother had been trying to get help for half a year, although not for mental problems.

The question is, are we OK with this result or should we find a way to head off this kind of tragedy? If the latter, then would we be willing to spend more money for programs to help? The mother seemed to be bent on making a statement so everyone to think about her problem.
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All kinds of tragedies everywhere. Sad? Yes. Do we need to get more of it from ZDNet? No. Can we just leave the lurid stories where they belong?
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No money for food
DOSlover 10th Dec
It is appalling that one of the great capitalist societies has a starving population. on an individual level, I would have though selling the gun to buy food would have been a better option. An absolute tragedy and terrible waste of valuable human life. Lets look at the problems before we lose any more innocent lives.
@DOSlover

It's a big world that has a lot of crazy people living on it. There is no way to stop these kinds of things from happening. They can be minimized, but there is no way to keep these kinds of things from happening in a world populated by billions of people............ or even a country populated by hundreds of millions.

The idea that we just need more effective social programs, is not very logical. We have more programs in place than at any time in the history of the world. We also have more of these types of situations than at any time in the history of the world.
well that is how the Department of Human Services office r in every state. they have stuck their nose into familys that r doing wrong and helped them but when it come to a family that really needs the help they turn them away r take their kids and never give them back and let people that abuse them adopt them. but the familys that do wrong they let them keep their kids and the kids end up dead at the parents hands. I believe that they should have help this woman and mayb she and her daughter would b alive today and the son wouldn't b in the hospital and then have to go live with another family member instead of the mother that had him and his sister. this will b a very bad trauma for him to live with. good luck son hope that u have a great and u can go on. this is a very hard story to read. god bless u timothy.
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Ramie was here
bennettroberts 27th Feb
Timothy Grimmer last post to his facebook wall reads "Ramie was here." Ramie was here and now she isn't. Her blood is on everyone's hands. Too many comments are quick to place blame on the mother and the system. Who cares where this little girl accessed the internet? Ask your teenager if facebook is a luxury! I agree the system failed this family and this mother failed her children. The system is flawed, this mother was mentally ill, but we are missing the biggest message: society is failing as a whole. Where were these opinionated people when they walked past a family living in a tent? Where were they when they begged for food? Who saw this mother struggling and decided it was too uncomfortable to see if they needed help? Open your eyes if you don't like what you see in your world change it and that's not going to happen hiding behind your computer. It would have taken one person to save them all.
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Why the hell is this on a tech site?
happyharry_z 16th Mar
This is a new low for ZDnet. Next you'll be interviewing Paris Hilton...

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