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Mark Zuckerberg: Facebook minimum age limit should be removed

By | May 20, 2011, 12:46pm PDT

Summary: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg hopes to one day lift the minimum age restriction on the social network, allowing those under 13-years-old to create an account.

Facebook’s Statement of Rights and Responsibilities require users of the social network to be at least 13 years old (and even older, in some jurisdictions). Millions of preteens use the service anyway: some get permission from their parents to create an account while others lie about their age to get past sign-up restrictions. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg wishes there was no limit in the first place.

The Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) mandates that websites that collect information about users (like Facebook) aren’t allowed to sign on anyone under the age of 13. Zuckerberg wants this changed so that younger kids can be allowed on Facebook, in the name of education. While speaking at a NewSchools Summit in California this week, he outlined how educating kids about the Internet should start at a younger age, and by doing so, we can learn how to make the Internet a safer place for children.

“That will be a fight we take on at some point,” Zuckerberg said according to CNN. “My philosophy is that for education you need to start at a really, really young age. Because of the restrictions we haven’t even begun this learning process. If they’re lifted then we’d start to learn what works. We’d take a lot of precautions to make sure that they [younger kids] are safe.”

Two months ago, Facebook announced new safety resources and tools for reporting issues, in conjunction with a White House summit for preventing bullying. Last month, the company rolled them out:

  • More Resources for Families: the Family Safety Center has been redesigned. There are now more resources, including useful articles for parents and teens and videos on safety and privacy. In the coming weeks, Facebook will also be providing a free guide for teachers, written by safety experts Linda Fogg Phillips, B.J. Fogg and Derek Baird.
  • Social Reporting Tools: the new social reporting tool (Photo Gallery) allows people to notify a member of their community, in addition to Facebook, when they see something they don’t like. By encouraging people to seek help from friends, Facebook hopes that many online issues which are a reflection of what is happening offline can be resolved face to face. This tool launched last month, but Facebook has now expanded it to other parts of the site, including Profiles, Pages, and Groups.

Less than two weeks ago, it was estimated that 7.5 million Facebook users are below the minimum age. To make matters even more worrying, more than 5 million were 10-years-old or younger.

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It is possible to legally allow children to join, but...
DCGideon 18th May
Under the rules of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA), It is possible to legally allow children to join, but only if there are robust parental controls and efforts undertaken to insure that parents are truly in control of their child's account. Even then, a Web site could end up having to defend itself in court to show COPPA compliance. The problem is that the overhead is more than what most social network operators will mess with. It is much easier to simply ban children from joining.
I don't mind someone younger being on, but Facebook needs to have better parental controls. I should be able to have access to their FB without worrying about passwords.
"by doing so, we can learn how to make the Internet a safer place for children"

this is call Bait, moron. Throw a squirrel in a lion cage to figure out how to make better squirrel armor? Not with my kids.
@bc3tech It's not really a bad idea, considering all your kids have to do right now to get on face book is to click that little dropdown box up to age 13. At least this way you can attempt to mitigate the damages.
@bc3tech
the overriding cause is to expand the business, grow the economy and create jobs.
These minimum age requirements are anticonstitutional big brother government intrusions.
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yes, he wants more users for advertisers to buy.
yes, he wants to grow the consumerism he promotes, which in a way grows the economy...

...but no, that doesn't automatically mean more jobs. Oh, and no, it's not anti-constitutional for the government to protect children from potential predators. They do it all over the place, all the time. Society SHOULD protect the children, within reason.
@Linux Geek ... suckerman only wants money and power, if the kids get sacrificed its not an issue for him, just a bit of a PR pain.
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@bc3tech I don't really agree with Zuckerburg, but I think your comparison between letting your kids use Internet services and feeding them to lions is way over the top. Not everyone on the Internet are rapists and scammers -- however, you should begin with education before they actually start using the internet. It's really up to the parents.
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@nickswift498 Well said!
@bc3tech AMEN!
@bc3tech
Squirrel armor! That is funny:)
Educating children about the internet doesn't need to include Facebook. Despite what Zuckerberg thinks, Facebook does not equal the internet. Plenty of people don't use the privacy-killing service.
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@Droid101

Sadly, there are those who have the mind set that Facebook = computers today.

I help a guy at school set up a new netbook, who thought that by buying it, already had a Facebook set up for him. He kept asking how he can access his Facebook profile.
@Cylon Centurion
Pretty sad and I pity you, not him.
Exactly - it seems to me that the internet was doing quite well without social media sites.
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@Droid101 Actually it should - not because I think that FB = the internet but because people use the service and they really should be educated about the pitfalls of using such a service and how to avoid those pitfalls. Not educating children about things like this is irresponsible.
Lol, Facebook doesn't have sufficient customer service nor enough proper privacy controls as it is, and Zuckerberg wants pre-teens on it?
@Joseph_01
$$$$.
So let me get this straight...Facebook refuses to give parents access so they can monitor and remove inappropriate postings their teenage kids are foolishly making online, and now they want to aim for even younger kids as well? How completely irresponsible.
@marcedhk@... How do want that to be manage exactly. When do parents loose the keys, 14, 15, 16, some parents would the keys to there kids account forever.

An perhaps the parents should just ask there kids if they can see there facebook account. If the parents and kid have enough trust there should be no issues.
@marcedhk@...
There is no enforcement of the age restriction anyway. Some parents like myself deny a child's request for a FB account. If my 8 year old neighbor wants one, he'll get it.
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@marcedhk@... I agree - While I'm a believer in allowing children to make their own mistakes and learn from them, this is potentially something more than they can handle without having a parent in the background able to see what is going on. While my daughter was a minor I had full access to her FB account as well as bing on her friends list so I could see what she was doing and who was interacting with her... and of course educating her about the dangers was the first thing I did before allowing her on FB. Once she turned 18 I let go of the reins and she's good to go.

As a parent I feel that if Zuckerberg does this then it should be set up so that the parents have some form of control over the minor's account and once the minor turns 18 those controls are removed.
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To even consider someone under a preteen on the Facebook is alarm bells for all those pedophiles just swashing their hands to get their dirty hands on innocent young children. I am not married and I don't have kids. But if I did, I would not let them on this POS web site until they were at least adults as this web site is a parannah for all those who want to abuse the system and take advantage of innocent young children.
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Not that is weird
Robert Hahn 21st May 2011
@ntflavio06@...
Yours is an interesting post. First you note that they are "considering" allowing preteens on Facebook, which of course means that they currently do not. Then you say that the site is a sharp-toothed fish for those who would take advantage of innocent young children. You do not, however, explain why the toothy fish go looking for innocent young children on a site that currently does not allow them to be there.

The whole thing just strikes me as odd.
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@Robert Hahn Good point. While I do not see FB as some sort of predator pool as the OP does I do feel that there should be a way for parents to monitor their child's account until that child turns 18 and is legally an adult and if FB is going to allow younger children there it should be a default setting that cannot be changed until the child's 18th birthday to allow parents to have access to the account.
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Mark Zuckerberg should be removed
osreinstall 20th May 2011
from command.

Clearly this man child needs adult supervision just like the Google duo. This is nothing but greed to sell everyone's data disguised as an education seminar. I know he will not educate them about the dangers like pedophilia because judgement comes later for youngsters and Mark is still lacking in his 20s.
Zuckerberg thinks Internet = Facebook, I don't.

What educational material does facebook have for children?? Nothing. Let preteens make friends in the real world first, virtual friends can wait.
@Raju Das
>>Let preteens make friends in the real world first, virtual friends can wait.
Very well said. I totally agree with you.
@Raju Das:
I absolutely agree. How one equates Facebook to "educational" is beyond me.
@shawkins Facebook questions can be educational. An he is not neccessary saying that Facebook is educational in the way that it teaching kids knowledge. He saying it to mean the way teach kids to cross the road, the only way to do that is to actually walk across the road and one day you have to let do it on there own.
I agree with zuckerberg, if kids are not tought behaviour at home and at school there is little that mark and facebook can do about it. not matter what we say or do Kids will still user the service behind the parents backs so really i dont see the problem here. The internet is bigger then facebook, i rather have my Kids on facebook then watching porno in their rooms and listening to sh..ty degrading music that you parents allow. your kids are always on their Ipods, or behind closed doors in their rooms. with a big DND sign. as part of education let the kids use the internet and facebook.
Even though I was online at even a younger age (Remember those dark days of Prodigy Internet? AOL dial-up?), I still think this is a bad idea.

With more and more kids becoming technologically addicted, I think we should be vying to get them up and away from the computer and outside, rather than give them another excuse to be sedetary.

I was coding HTML by the time I was 13, yet, at the same time, was involved in various activities at school. Being online was the least of my concerns.
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RE: Mark Zuckerberg: Facebook minimum age limit should be removed
UrNotPayingAttention Updated - 21st May 2011
Yeah, good idea Zuckerberg... the answer is less control, more education. That'll go over well.

Hey I got an idea, let's completely lift gun control, but just make sure we educating our kids at an earlier age about proper gun handling and responsiblity.

Or, how about drugs? we can lift regulations on pot, so long as we actively educate our youth on the potential dangers. The argument by so many here seems to be: "they're gonna do it anyway". Well, kids are gonna smoke pot anyway, we might as well make it legal and tax it.

Zuckerberg better hurry up and get these stupid ideas out of his system; if (when) the Facebook IPO hits, and a board of directors determines his level of employment, 'crusades' like this one may have him enjoying an early retirement.
@chmod 777
I'm guessing you were joking, but I actually agree with you. If the parents educate their children, the children will be much safer.
My daughter was online at an early age. She learned there is a lot of information, and a few creeps. Just like real life.
I took my daughter to the range at a fairly early age. She learned proper gun control and how to be safe. Helpful in real life.
She also learned that pot wasn't necessarily the evil monster it's made out to be. She also realized the kids (and adults) she knew that smoked pot were mostly losers, and she didn't want to work at Taco Bell when she was 30.

Kids aren't the idiots people want to make them out to be. They can certainly be taught to be irresponsible idiots, as people keep proving.
I don't know if Facebook will offer a good educational oppritunity for kids, and I don't know if it's dangerous, but I do know that kids will find a way to use Facebook if they want.
Poll: Should kids under 13 be allowed to use Facebook?
Link: http://www.wepolls.com/r/516798
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How about some extra parenting
tommcd64 Updated - 23rd May 2011
Sadly there some people who think facebook=babysitter. So instead of monitoring what their children are doing they want somebody else to take that parental responsibility away from them the way people have lobbied to the government to take that parental responsibility away from them when it comes to TV and video games.
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Hmm...
Shrug 23rd May 2011
I couldn't be more grateful that facebook didn't exist to track all of my stupid pre-teen posts before I knew how career-destroying they can be.

Kudos to Zuckerberg being vigilant about snuffing out rivals practically in the womb.
Suckerberg is after money and power, the sacrifice of children isn't a moral issue for him just a PR issue.
As far as I am concerned, Facebook is so bad that I would really like to know how to totally remove and shut down the page I stupidily created.
I agree with Zuck. Who knows what his plans are for Facebook with education. This is 2011. We need to lift that restriction of only allowing people 13 and up to be able to social network online. The internet and social media is becoming part of our lives more and more. Kids learn the best in before 13. With the right parental controls and doing this in a safe way I agree with this.
Follow the money.
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Follow the money
General Ludd 23rd May 2011
Let's not add another exploitation of kids by adults to make a lot of money.
The earlier we start tracking people, the more info we can gather, the more control we can implement.
No thanks.
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Shrug 23rd May 2011
Because we need to know what the under-13 demographic is clicking on and liking.
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It's a little bit creepy
justthisguyyouknow 23rd May 2011
Wow, kids lose their privacy at such an early age these days. And now Mark Zuckerberg wants parents to allow him to take their privacy from them even earlier. It's just a little bit creepy to me.
financial interest in the matter.
if the site is indeed allowing underage users, thus violating the law, they should be held accountable, as well as the parents.
we can't be too careful with our children, barring total isolation.

happy
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If there really IS an Anti-Christ, Zuckerberg is it.
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...with the stipulation that he will be fined and imprisoned should something go wrong. THEN we will see how fast he will retract his ridiculous claims.
Sorry Mark as much as you want it to be it isnt Utopia ..it isnt a perfect open world and it isnt all bliss.
There are consequences to your actions.
Something about Facebook is starting to truly not feel right. Could Mark be this generation's greatest sellout? Could Facebook be turning into a "national database"?
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It's complicated
nathangeffen 23rd May 2011
I am not sure whether Zuckerberg is right or not. I'd like to see evidence, if any even exists, for and against his position, not just ideological prejudices in both directions. If the reasons given for a minimum age limit are not supported by data then it should go.

But is Zuckerberg the right person to be leading the argument for no minimum age given his teeny weeny conflict of interests here?
Under the rules of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA), It is possible to legally allow children to join, but only if there are robust parental controls and efforts undertaken to insure that parents are truly in control of their child's account. Even then, a Web site could end up having to defend itself in court to show COPPA compliance. The problem is that the overhead is more than what most social network operators will mess with. It is much easier to simply ban children from joining.

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