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Parish declares that Facebook and Christianity don’t mix

By | April 8, 2011, 5:13pm PDT

Summary: A Chicago parish is advising its members to keep kids away from Facebook.

A Roman Catholic parish in Chicago is warning parishioners about the dangers of Facebook. St. John Cantius parish leaders wrote in the church bulletin this past Sunday that Facebook is against the Christian culture. Social networking sites in general apparently encourage vanity and dishonesty by providing an outlet for children to create their own electronic version of reality, concocting their own identities and social realities with a reduced risk of real-world consequences.

Chicago Tribune has the full quote of what parish leaders wrote in the church bulletin:

[Facebook] is exactly the opposite of the Christian culture where people go into the secrecy and sacredness of the confessional to blot out their sins forever. God entrusted parents with the care of their children for one particular purpose, and that is to teach them the way “to know, love, and serve God in this life and save their souls hereafter.” Everything leads us to think that Facebook fits poorly into this plan and was devised for a very different goal.

The church wants families to raise children without Facebook, as it supposedly helps youth defy their parents and cultivate feelings of lust. It’s rather worrying that families trying to raise their children in a wholesome environment are being told to avoid rather than educate.

Kids are future adults, and must thus learn about this world as much as they can, since they’ll be the ones managing it one day. At least for the foreseeable future, Facebook is part of this world.

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RE: Parish declares that Facebook and Christianity don't mix
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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doh123 Updated - 11th Apr 2011
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kd5auq 12th Apr 2011
@doh123
Musta hit a nerve somewhere!
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wackoae Updated - 10th Apr 2011
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Economister Updated - 12th Apr 2011
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stuxstu Updated - 12th Apr 2011
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No, it's not that Facebook and Christianity don't mix... that's not it... No, it's that Facebook might make it even easier for their more weak willed members (to put it kindly) to find - shall we say a "greater access" to younger catholics than just their particular congregation...

Perhaps that was a bit harsh but they are trying to equate social networking with the confessional...
@athynz

I somehow doubt what you say has anything to do with it. Your a fool to assume everyone that participates in the Catholic church is a child molester. Maybe you have some dark secrets of your own that you'd like to share. If so post it on Facebook and see what happens.

I have teenage daughters and I block facebook at my house. It's not like my kids can't function without it. Actually their grades went up from a "C" to a "B" average. Facebook isn't rocket science...a monkey could use it so I don't think it hurts a child's ability to grow and function in our world. If you think that you've been brainwashed by Corporations which are probably worse than any Church. Most religions embrace people and show love for life. That's the exact opposite of the greed and unjust treatment many corporations show.
I think facebook is a neutral but powerful tool. It can be used for good or evil, and parents should educate there kids to be the kind of person who would use every medium available for good
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paulcanterbury Updated - 11th Apr 2011
@paulcanterbury
Couldn't agree more. To quote Jessy Ventura, "Religion is a crutch for the weak minded." The born again zealots on the far right are anti-education and against free thought for fear they may be confronted by those who may disagree with them or being made out as the charlatans they are.
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The blind leading the blind
voska1 11th Apr 2011
@gtdworak

That's what I see in all the churches I've ever attended. Scary is how I'd describe it. Seems you spend year blinding yourself to reality and to God that they miss the obvious. Then they teach others to do the same.
@paulcanterbury

Absolutely. To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, "We are all Atheists, some of us just go one god further."
@Asiafish I've seen that speech, Militant Atheism right? It never ceases to amaze me how peculiarly angry some "Atheists" are. Tell me, who is crazier - the person who believes in what others hold to be imaginary, or those who fight what they proclaim themselves to be an imaginary being. (Dawkins and the entirety of Mensa have a serious issue with over inflated self importance if you ask me.)
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Priests and boys and ....
Bradish@... 9th Apr 2011
Yep, keep those kids out of facebook and in the back rooms of the church where holy things happen. But then it is not just the boys, but also the little girls, women, SUVs, gold and drink and much much more (come to asia to see it all)
I'm Christian and I use Facebook; I think that the children need to be EDUCATED in the proper use of this and other tools of social networking.
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I what may I ask......
Economister 9th Apr 2011
@j0sh8503

might "proper use" be?
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To which the obvious response would be
ego.sum.stig@... 10th Apr 2011
To convert people.
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proper use would be...
wirejockey 11th Apr 2011
to teach people how to use the English language.
@Economister Mayhaps it was a reference to staying safe on the web, mayhaps you read way too much into simple statements.
The previous commenters appear to be unaware of how Facebook has ruined lives, sometimes disastrously ending in suicide. Have any of you seen what some kids are posting? Additionally, there's a much lower rate of pedophilia among Catholic priests than there is among Protestant clergy or school teachers, but that fact I'm sure is inconvenient for you. And "doh123", you need to read church history; the Christian community consisted of ONLY the Catholic church for centuries.
@guadalupe777

"Have any of you seen what some kids are posting?"

Nothing new under the sun. Ever since writing itself has been invented, it has been abused. Parents should be concerned about their children no matter what medium they use for communication.

"the Christian community consisted of ONLY the Catholic church for centuries."

Right, and it fell into the same traps that Jesus fought against before. It became a commercial and military power rather than a religion. It's back to its religious roots now, but that wasn't always the case.
@CobraA1

In prior generations, hand-written notes were passed back and forth as private correspondence. Now, the potential for damage and humiliation is much greater with a public medium.

I'm not sure what you mean about the "same traps that Jesus fought against," but your assertion does not negate my point that the Catholic church is the original Christian community.
"In prior generations, hand-written notes were passed back and forth as private correspondence. Now, the potential for damage and humiliation is much greater with a public medium."

Which is why I desire better privacy controls, and why I warn people against using stuff like Facebook for private correspondence. A total ban, however, is IMO a bit too drastic. Facebook can be used for plenty of good, as it helps people keep in touch and allows people to share things they *want* to share.

"I'm not sure what you mean about the 'same traps that Jesus fought against,' "

Jesus drove the money changers out. Martin Luther protested the selling of indulgences. The church has a bad habit of becoming a marketplace rather than a place of worship.

"but your assertion does not negate my point that the Catholic church is the original Christian community."

I'm just saying the "Catholic church" hasn't always been all peaches and cream. And it'll be an interesting debate if a member of the Orthodox church happens to step in (they like to make the same claim).

Last I checked, Jesus and his disciples generally preached on the subject of salvation. They didn't boast about how "original" their churches were.
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Sure, place the blame on Facebook
Pete "athynz" Athens 11th Apr 2011
@guadalupe777 rather than where the blame belongs. What you do not get is that Facebook is a tool, nothing more. Facebook is simply put the evolution of social networking going from written word via snail mail to emails to chat rooms and IM to texting... ALL of them have at some point and time been involved in ruining lives in some way... the common part of all of this is human nature and weak willed and/ or undisciplined people.
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With all due respects...
watchmatt16 11th Apr 2011
@guadalupe777

It seems that you are not as aware of church history as you may think. The Catholic church has never been the only church in existence during any point in history. Read their own writings and you will find that there were many groups (churches) which the Catholic church deemed heretical and tried to eradicate at various times in history. Many of these groups (non-catholic churches) coexisted with the Catholic church for centuries even though the Catholic church did not condone or publicly acknowledge their existence.
@guadalupe777

Please check your historical facts. The Christian community has always had the Eastern Orthodox churches, and never consisted of "ONLY the Catholic church".
@peterwyn Check your history and be mindful never to tell a Roman Catholic - OR - an Eastern Orthodox that they're part of the same group (they don't get along.)
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CobraA1 9th Apr 2011
Watch out for religious flamebait, heh.

I'd disagree - Facebook is a tool, and can be used for good and evil, like any other tool.
Emil Protalinski had a column last week stating that 85% of females are annoyed by their Facebook friends. So I guess that the "good tool" isn't working out so well for the majority. Perhaps I should take my children to observe an operating meth lab so I can "educate" rather than "avoid", to use Emil's words.
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While my first reaction was "yeah, because being sexually molested won't EF up their lives, but Facebook will, eh?"...

I would like to point out (as a non-Catholic) that is the stance of one Parish in Chicago; not the stance of the Catholic Church. Many other parishes/ churches have embraced Facebook, setting up pages, community, etc.

But Emil, where you bring up an interesting point is the "avoidance vs education"

Trying to teach or keep a teenager from avoiding facebook would be like trying to keep them from beer, cigarettes, and pot, I think. If they want to try it out, they're going too, and odds are their friends are too.

I think you are dead on in educating, even showing, what abuse of anything can do to a young child/adult (whether it's FB, cigs, or pot). Maybe by showing them articles of what happens when someone abuses it (hiring a hitman on facebook, or even talking bad about a friend) and how that can ruin relationships or worse, school or freedom... maybe by the time they old enough to use it they'll think before they act. (same with alcohol or anything else)

Whatever the vice, I think kids are gonna do whatever they can get their hands on; to think otherwise would be naive. My hope is by the time my daughter is 12 or 13 I've talked with her enough on a # of issues that she knows there will be repurcussions when bad decisions are made.
@chmod 777

I think more faith in kids' willpower is warranted here. If it's made quite clear to a kid why using marijuana and/or becoming drunk is wrong, then that should let the kid know not to do those things. Even if your kid is rebellious, gently imparting moral principles to your offspring and ensuring that they are deeply entrenched should suffice.
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@CobraA1 06:26 AM
SGT1758 Updated - 9th Apr 2011
1st point:

There is no reason why that can't be done via e-mail.

2nd point:

I'd ask you to confirm where exactly the Church officially condoned the "sale" of indulgences. It never occurred. Actions taken by individual members of the Church that are contrary to her disciplines doesn't make the Church itself invalid.

And in case you're wondering, the "sale" doesn't occur anymore.

3rd point:

Has any organization ever been "peaches and cream" all the time? Again, the response about individual actions from point 2 applies. The Orthodox are not particularly relevant to this discussion, and even if one did come in it would not make a difference. The Orthodox were the group that split off from the authority of the Pope, not Catholics.

4th point:

Salvation was the pressing concern. There was no need to "boast" about the originality of the Church anyway, since Jesus made it abundantly clear via miracles that He was indeed the Son of God, and that his Church was the One True Church.
@CobraA1 6:26

"Which is why I desire better privacy controls, and why I warn people against using stuff like Facebook for private correspondence. A total ban, however, is IMO a bit too drastic. Facebook can be used for plenty of good, as it helps people keep in touch and allows people to share things they *want* to share."

I agree with you. Upon closer examination, the title of this article is misleading, and is meant to incite comments from the likes of us. The warning in the bulletin (as I've been able to surmise from other websites) is applies specifically to CHILDREN, and does not call for a total ban.

"Jesus drove the money changers out. Martin Luther protested the selling of indulgences. The church has a bad habit of becoming a marketplace rather than a place of worship."

I wouldn't call it a "habit." There are unfortunate incidences of nasty people doing nasty things, which are eventually corrected. I'd like to point out, though, that the money changers weren't associated with the temple at all; they were merchants.

"Last I checked, Jesus and his disciples generally preached on the subject of salvation. They didn't boast about how "original" their churches were."

My comment was directed to "doh123", who said that Catholics aren't Christians, so please don't accuse me of "boasting."
A few more recent articles by Emil:

"Facebook Bans 20,000 Accounts Daily"
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/facebook-bans-20000-accounts-daily/965

Why? Because the little darlings lied about their ages.

"Cop Says Parents Should Steal Their Kids' Facebook Password"
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/cop-parents-should-steal-their-kids-8217-facebook-passwords/162

Why? "Read the paper any day of the week and you?ll see an abduction [or] a sexual assault that?s the result of an Internet interaction or a Facebook comment."

Consider that perhaps the leaders at St. John Cantius are actually concerned about the welfare of their families. It's not too far-fetched.
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Robert Hahn 9th Apr 2011
This was a bad idea for a blog. That some "parish leaders" someplace wrote a church bulletin saying that (insert 'tech' hook here) is bad for your soul is hardly newsworthy. It was however guaranteed to bring all the anti-Catholic and all-around anti-religious cranks and bigots out from under their rocks. Who needed that, especially on ZDNet?
@Robert Hahn

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markbyrn Updated - 10th Apr 2011
@Robert Hahn

Agreed. Any assumption that ZDNet's tech readership is contemptuous of religion is misguided.
@guadalupe777 I don't think people come here to discuss religion or politics, and I wish that ZDNet would drive more carefully in the vicinity of both. This blog was a setup for religion-bashing; the hook to anything technical was weak at best.
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exposing their children to alternative ways of thinking and alternative ways to look upon the world. Freedom and choice are very frightening concepts for those of faith especially when it comes to their children. Who knows the kids might actually "THINK" for themselves and or ask tough questions and that would be BAD:)

Pagan jim
@James Quinn

Your assumption seems to be that the result of kids' "thinking" will be non-belief. Perhaps it is you who is not "thinking" and asking the tough questions. You also don't seem accepting of people who have thought things through and have come to a different conclusion than yours. Too bad; your mind might be enriched by expanding your social circle.
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Easy present actual "Proof" of a god?
James Quinn 9th Apr 2011
@guadalupe777
See I think all this are possible but many things are not probable. There could actually be a god but not likely. Now take me to the point where I can except that there is indeed a god then of all the various faiths both past and present prove to me which is the actual faith that follows the actual god? Do we as humans have any real ability to understand this thing? Have any of our legends, myths, holy books even come close to giving us any kind of real insight to this being? Say you claim Christianity I would ask which one for as far as I can tell there are many sects or divisions in the Christian faith, as there are in the Jewish faith and Muslim faith as well. Funny that each worship in theory the same god yet there are three separate main branches and countless lesser branches shooting off from the main three branches. Me I admit I'm not absolutely certain there is NO god but I am certain so far in my 48 years of life I've not had a need or desire to be with or follow such a creature. I'm good... Well good might not be the best term to use in this case... heh heh heh. Still if all the people I've met in my lifetime who have claimed to be good are indeed good then the word has to have a different meaning than what I was brought up to think it meant and in that case I gladly and proudly state I am evil:)

Pagan jim
Don't want to offend. However, Christianity, 61 A.D. (read Book of Acts) preceded Roman Catholicism, 325 A.D. an offshoot of Christianity, even though RC hierarchy claim to be 'true' Church today.
@m.guillery@... No offense taken. I assume you're referring to the Council of Nicaea, which did NOT create a new church. You may be surprised by what you find if you'll delve a little deeper into church history. There are many references to the "Catholic" church pre-council. For example, quoting Ignatius of Antioch, ""Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
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Please...
His_Shadow 10th Apr 2011
We have a space probe that is on the verge of interstellar space. I have a phone that is more powerful than all the computers in all the world in 1965. We landed men on the Moon with slide rules and paper blueprints.

Stop pretending that the superstitious fears of protectors of bronze age myths has anything relevant to say about the world in 2011.
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Religion is for weak-minded people.
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 10th Apr 2011
People who need advice from cave dwellers on how to live in a digital world.
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Not really
Pete "athynz" Athens 11th Apr 2011
@Snooki_smoosh_smoosh There are several life lessons one can learn from religion - unfortunately too many people take those lessons to the extreme.
@Snooki_smoosh_smoosh
Amen brother.
@Pagan jim I truly mean no disrespect, and I'm sure you're a jolly good fellow, but your comment tells me that you haven't researched this subject a great deal. It's difficult to imagine (and untenable, I would submit), given the complexity of the universe, that even the orchid or the humble skunk were a random accident.

A thoughtful reply to your question would fill pages, and I'm sorry I don't have the time (or the ability, frankly) to do that, so I strongly encourage you to visit http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm

I wish you well.
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While I am a protestant I agree the assessment with the church. Why listen to the church about responsibility and community when you can go on Facebook and build your own narcissistic world and never have to listen to another adult or grow up and be a responsible person.
There are secular parallels to what this parish is saying, for example Mark Bauerlein in The Dumbest Generation.
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