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Why Google should give up on social

By | June 29, 2011, 2:27pm PDT

Summary: Google launches the Google +1 button in order to participate in the social media landscape, but are they wasting their time?

It’s clear that Zuckerberg sits on top of something that other leading companies want and they want it bad. After all, who wouldn’t want to get a piece of an almost billion person pie that is superbly ripe for monetized business and contextual marketing?

Last year, Steve Jobs tried his hand getting into the social/sharing game by infusing Ping into the iTunes offering. Jobs and Zuckerberg tried to get cozy over dinner early on but after eighteen months of trying to strike a technology partnership, it fizzled. Apple claimed that Facebook insisted on “onerous terms that we could not agree to” so they launched Ping without a Facebook tie-in. The Facebook/Apple relationship was further strained when Apple attempted to install Facebook’s public “Connect” login interface without inking a deal with Facebook first, so Facebook blocked them. After Ping’s launch, it never really took off. Why? Well, for a couple reasons. First off, we were already sharing music in a more open environment with sites like Blip.fm, which of course plugged right on into our Facebook and Twitter accounts no problem. Second, no one cares about Ping. Social media is based on a premise that goes against everything Apple’s business is about - sharing and openness. Why would the social media population adopt a social effort by a company that is already known for putting guard rails on everything in their ecosystem so that you do everything you do online but only on Apple’s terms?

Apple isn’t the only frustrated behemoth.

Google tries again with Google +1.

With the latest push of Google +1, Google’s own version of a “Like” button and their third attempt (remember Buzz and Orkut?)at riding the social media wave (pun intended), it’s clear that Google is still an engineering-centric company in their approach. They’re known for having some of the most intelligent brains behind what they do but their philosophy has always been “algorithm is king.” This is why Google is amazing at search. Algorithms are in their DNA. The problem they face with social network customers is that while Facebook’s backend might run on algorithms, its customers and the social media culture don’t.

Here’s why I think Google’s social efforts are gonna matter about as much Apple’s Ping did in social media:

1. The people have chosen their platforms. The mainstream isn’t interested in, nor has the time, to maintain multiple networks. Almost a billion people worldwide on are Facebook. Every new generation that comes online starts with their first email address and then signs up for Facebook. It was one of the highest priorities for my teenagers to get an account and they pushed me every month until they were 13 when I could legally cave. Just like the Starbucks appeal with a bazillion locations always packed with people looking for the same coffee experience over and over, people use Facebook so much that it has essentially defined what the social network experience should be.

2. People don’t want multiple “Like” buttons. If Google was really smart, they would’ve partnered with Facebook to allow Facebook’s own Like buttons to be part of Google search results instead of using their own. I think it actually would’ve worked out amazingly for both Facebook and Google. It could’ve been seamless AND familiar for content consumers and would have resulted in much more overlap traffic-wise for Google. Facebook is currently bedding with Microsoft/Bing though for their “web results” within their search results template so maybe the Google/Facebook love fest wasn’t possible to begin with. Honestly, I never click on Like-esque buttons that aren’t Facebook because the result of that action doesn’t go anywhere since all of my friends, family and business networking constituents are all on Facebook! If I “Like” a blog post on the Disqus network for instance, using their proprietary “Like” tab, no one but Disqus and those on the Disqus network really see what it is I liked unless I follow through with the two additional steps during the “Would you like to share” process in their widget to publish to Facebook or Twitter, hence my point.

3. Stick with what you know. Successful companies should avoid getting into online spaces that others already clearly own and are better at. Apple makes premium consumer technology products that work amazingly and integrate with our personal lives better than almost any other. Google is the master at search, having hired the world’s top engineers and data/behavioral scientists. Apple and Google should just stick to those and they’ll be fine.

Apple and Microsoft meet the personal computing needs of the people. Google and Bing meet the search needs of the people. Facebook and Twitter meet the online social needs of the people.

Let’s keep it that way.

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The official Google +1 video on YouTube

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Rich Harris has been a web marketer for over 10 years, with over 14 years experience in high-tech, both in the consumer and enterprise spaces.

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Rich Harris has been a web marketer for over 10 years, with over 14 years experience in high-tech, both in the consumer and enterprise spaces. Currently heading up the social media effort for a large prominent high-tech company, he has a passion for people and community building coupled with a strong analytical aversion to online marketing's status quo.

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RE: Why Google should give up on social
tatiGmail Updated - 29th Jun
+1 for the author giving up writing before Google gives up on social.

I bet you wrote the same article 5 years ago Facebook to give up and leave myspace alone.
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@tatiGmail Actually, I was not a fan of MySpace and didn't use it.
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@Rich Harris

Google had one failed attempt at orkut. This time its not going to be any different.

Also people would be timid to put all data in one place

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@tatiGmail

That's what I was thinking. If there is a reason that Google should think twice about investing a lot in a Social Networking site, it's that they seem to be very "fad driven" and once they are the norm, people start moving away from them to the next big thing.
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Yes, this is a horrible article.

Social is mostly a fad. People go where things are "neat" and "fun" and "easy."

Facebook changes their picture viewer every month... lots of people are fed up with that crap.

Also, with Facebook, you don't own your own contacts and pictures. Go ahead and try to export them. LOL

MORE companies need to get in on Social. Friendster thought it was invincible, and so did MySpace. Facebook is just another social networking site. There is nothing special about it.
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@Droid101 - On the flip side of that argument, with Google, you don't own your personal email, any documents stored on Google docs, or your calendars. While you can export/download that stuff from their suite, they still have access to it. At least Facebook isn't reading my email. happy

In all seriousness though, I love all of Google's collab offering and their email solution which is why I've been using it for years. I just think it's a waste of time of for them to re-invent the wheel and then try and gain marketshare from it.
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@Rich Harris facebook keeps a record of chat. How about that?
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@Rich Harris google will clearly be double on the potential customer stalking as you jokingly suggest. Then hey presto more targeted marketing and a change in the way sites get ranked on search engines.
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+1 I agree terrible article, let's not innovate because someone else got there first, let's all drive model t fords!
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@CIOinOz - This post isn't about an aversion to innovation, but more about re-invention for the sake of trying to "catch up". happy Creating your own version of something that essentially does the same thing as the original version is not innovation.
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philos454 29th Jun
@Rich Harris
I see the point you are trying to make. I feel you should consider these to views. First, even if we assume that Google+ "essentially does the same thing" as Facebook, should that be enough to deter Google from trying to serve itself a slice of the pie? After all Google unlike the services you mentioned that have tried and failed has an upper hand in that it already has user database subscribed to its service, namely by way of Gmail, which is something the other services did not have in place. Gmail is its own form is already a social medium, to the point that a vast majority of people don't use AIM to chat any more. They use Google chat or they other use AIM through Google their chat so that they are still using Google's services. Google+ seems more of an extension to Gmail users which will additional ways of communication online. Also, lest not forget Google Documents? How many students don't use that service already to edit papers online? Second, when you say Google +"does the same thing" we have to ask ourselves, to what extent and in what manner is it the "same thing"? I believe Googles approach is quite different even if it is"essentially" just duplicating a social platform. Google is presenting it in a different way with distinct features and qualities. This may appeal to people, I for one happen to like what I hear so far. Will I use it? maybe not, but thats not to say others will. One last thing to consider...Android. The world fastest growing and leading phone OS in the Market. My guess is that Google is going to use Android phones as a surfboard for the Google+ riders. Just to make it clear, I don't care about so called Tech wars between Google and Facebook. There two business interested in production and capital. I just hope that this just give the consumers more options by creating better competition for our money.
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@Rich Harris @Rich Harris
I see the point you are trying to make. I feel you should consider these to views. First, even if we assume that Google+ "essentially does the same thing" as Facebook, should that be enough to deter Google from trying to serve itself a slice of the pie? After all Google unlike the services you mentioned that have tried and failed has an upper hand in that it already has user database subscribed to its service, namely by way of Gmail, which is something the other services did not have in place. Gmail is its own form is already a social medium, to the point that a vast majority of people don't use AIM to chat any more. They use Google chat or they other use AIM through Google their chat so that they are still using Google's services. Google+ seems more of an extension to Gmail users which will additional ways of communication online. Also, lest not forget Google Documents? How many students don't use that service already to edit papers online? Second, when you say Google +"does the same thing" we have to ask ourselves, to what extent and in what manner is it the "same thing"? I believe Googles approach is quite different even if it is"essentially" just duplicating a social platform. Google is presenting it in a different way with distinct features and qualities. This may appeal to people, I for one happen to like what I hear so far. Will I use it? maybe not, but thats not to say others will. One last thing to consider...Android. The world fastest growing and leading phone OS in the Market. My guess is that Google is going to use Android phones as a surfboard for the Google+ riders. Just to make it clear, I don't care about so called Tech wars between Google and Facebook. There two business interested in production and capital. I just hope that this just give the consumers more options by creating better competition for our money.
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It is all about the CEO
Luis Morais Updated - 30th Jun
@Rich Harris

Hi Rich,

I think we need to hear opinions and voices from both sides and you are more than welcome to air a view from the other side. It has been 5 hours I have been using Google + and despite my nags and complaints about Google's efficiency or interest in maintaining and improving their products after people start using them, I have to say that they excel in one thing that Facebook will never excel: transparency and freedom to control my digital life.

Throughout the few years of existence of this sharing network it has become clear that Facebook is a dysfunctional platform that doesn't miss an opportunity to push the boundaries with regards to what they can take back from people using their service, many times without warning.

The innovation is not as much in the platform but in the mentality of what "social" really is. A mentality that Zuckerberg has no understanding of if you consider the whole background story of how TheFacebook.com came to be and how Facebook.com now goes. Zuckerberg made "social" as he sees it fit for himself and the venture capital that funded him. Facebook is Facemash in its deep intimate core and philosophy.

Don't take me wrong, Facebook has added many positive things to many people's lives: the opportunity to find people that otherwise would be hard to reconnect is the most useful feature. I for one met my best friends over Facebook. Nevertheless whilst one acknowledges the good things Facebook has brought with its existence, one can not feel relaxed with Facebook, there is a price to pay and it is never clear what that might be in the next update, but the most unforgivable price tag Facebook has slapped on us as members has been to decide things for us. With Google I know the price I will pay is Google Ads, with Facebook just God knows.

Google+ tips the balance of power and the most exciting thing about it is that as users, we feel empowered again, we feel we have a good choice to go with even at this very field trial stage. Google+ has still a long way to go but the sense of taking control of my digital life is amazingly priceless.

All the best,

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@Luis Morais - Thanks for the comments. My only caveat is that Google still gets to read everyone's personal email, see how they collaborate with everyone, their documents, their calendars, etc. - So to me, privacy/security is not a good argument for which platform is *better*...which to me isn't really an issue. I just think both Facebook and Google serve different purposes.

-Rich
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@Rich Harris

I think you're confused about the way gmail works. An automated scanner, which also handles things like junk email, generates the relevant tags which are used to find the ads. No staff reads your email/documents. They aren't giving your information away.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6603
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@Rich Harris reinventing the wheel was something facebook did in the first place.
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@Rich Harris Google was never caught selling your *personal* information (name, sex, location, age) to advertisers, while Facebook was.
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xamountofwords 29th Jun
Personally I think Google is doing a great thing. Facebook may be the leading social guys, but their ability to protect privacy sucks. I've looked at Google's plans for the + program, and they're going to implement some great privacy and info governance features, and also, to quote, are making the social networking scene more personal instead of sharing everything with everybody. It's more like real life. You don't tell your parents the same things you tell your friends, or even coworkers, so their new system is a lot more realistic and practical. Before facebook, myspace was HUGE, and now it's being sold. Google may have started as a search engine, but they've ALREADY expanded into so many areas, and they are dominating. So really, there's not a limit on who can do what because they started somewhere else.
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@xamountofwords

I did like what I saw about Google with regards to reining in sharing with Circles. There were still some unanswered questions for me that I won't know the answer to until I'm able to try it but it looks like it will be a very good starting point to me.
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"This post isn't about an aversion to innovation, but more about re-invention for the sake of trying to "catch up"."

This post is missing the big picture!

Dude, Google plus appears to be social the way it works in real life.

Facebook is great for random updates and posting pictures, but Google Plus seems to have to tools to engage educational institutions and their students.

Facebook's social structure is fun and cool for a start, but does not reflect how humans truly socialize.
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@Horatio Chi

The circles thing seemed to hit the nail on the head. Most of my time in Facebook is spent in groups because managing privacy on the feed is a nightmare. If Google extends the Circle concept a little to create a "shared circle" (where members of the circle may add their own friends but don't necessarily have to be friends with everyone in it), Facebook will be toast, IMO
@sullivanjc indeed - a lot of the friends I have now I actually got to know because they were friends of actual friends on FB. If Google could facilitate this that would be great.
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@Horatio Chi

Well said Horatio!
The bigger point here is not that Google should not try to get into this space, its that they will likely fail (for the reasons well described in the article). Still, and I think Google would agree, they can benefit from the attempt by further integrating their own environment as a direct competitor to apple iOS. That, and Google (admirably) does NOT mind launching products that may fail -- or, at least, it certainly doesn't appear to. One of the things that makes Google so great is that it does exactly what this article wrongly suggests it shouldn't -- it tries new things, and keeps trying.

If you stuck to your "Google is search/algorithms" mantra, we wouldn't have Gmail. We wouldn't have Android. We wouldn't have Google Maps. (Note: I recognize that Android/Google Maps are not 100% Google's doing, but by branching out into those areas, they made them successful in the consumer space)
Google didn't jump in this cause they are greedy and want to go toe to toe with Facebook. Facebook came out swinging at Google. They are creating their own social search, and trying to use bing or yahoo or whatever it is. This could be really dangerous for Google. They are going after Google's market share so this is a defensive move not an offensive move. However, Google's media looks to be much better, out of laziness i'm not going to elaborate on this so we will just say it's my opinion. With 500,000 android activations every fooking day, that a lot of gmail accounts ready to fire. Fire, off the shot of the android army and bring competition to Facebook. Who started this war to begin with. Good luck Mark Z. I hope you don't invest to hard into his IPO. I don't see that holding it water but then again. Just cause something isn't worth the value dosn't mean people , with their eyes shut won't buy. This will be fun to watch. I think the big hurdle is over, creating the a stellar social media site. Ever heard the saying, "Build it and they will come".
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Why I've already given up on Facebook.
SenorAlejandro 30th Jun
I've only been using G+ for three days, and already I've decided to migrate my photo albums and delete everything from my Facebook account as soon as G+ is available to all of my friends. Its privacy options are much nicer, and it integrates smoothly with my GMail, Google Voice, Picasa, and other G-services so that I just log into one and I have easy access to all of them. The ONLY thing I'm waiting for them to add is an equivalent of Facebook's "Events" functionality.
I think you're underestimating folks' desire for something better and their willingness to switch--but just look at all the people who switch OS platforms, sometimes paying a /lot/ of money in the process. And a lot of the FB populace is only there by "necessity" since that's what everyone else is using.
Yes, I've been WAITING for this service to show up.
http://xkcd.com/918/
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hold your horses
cameigons Updated - 30th Jun
@SenorAlejandro I share your enthusiasm, but let's be realistic, Facebook isn't going away anytime soon. In fact it cannot, must not, ought not, go away. Even if Google manages to be in a position of crushing Facebook, they must not do it. Google has enough problems with the allegations of unfair dominance/monopoly/etc in other fields. Actually having competition/options is health to society as whole. Google can play the field in such a way that they force Zuckerberg to be less of a SOB. It's enough for me.
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Plenty of others' horses to be held.
SenorAlejandro 30th Jun
@cameigons Oh, no, I completely agree. And Google won't crush Facebook--I'm partly thinking of all the users who don't even want to touch G+ with a ten-foot pole. I just won't be one of the folks sticking around--as has been mentioned before, keeping up with profiles on multiple sites is a tedious task not really worthy of anyone's time, though I'm sure there are a fair number of those who do.
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@SenorAlejandro

Man, you simply got it! That is it, I am in Facebook just because I had no other option!
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Buzz and Orkut
cameigons 30th Jun
Orkut was a personal project from a Google employee, it was FULL of flaws from day one, and went mostly unsupervised by Google for years. To this day Google doesn't care much about Orkut, that's why Orkut will not be going anywhere other than downhill.

I think it's safe to say that Buzz was designed at least initially as niche(gmail) application. If you were a heavy gmail user(all your friends were already there) before the advent of Buzz then you still use Buzz everyday and find it great. If not then it's difficult to get engaged.
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RE: Why Google should give up on social
SenorAlejandro 30th Jun
@cameigons Regarding Buzz, I've never really messed with it. I noticed that it's integrated into G+, though, and that I apparently have followers and am following people. There is also a single post from a friend that reads, "Is this kind of like Twitter or something?" I may utilize it, though, since I like the idea of putting "pointless status updates" into a separate place than actual content--I'll just remind my friends that that's what it's for so they don't just go posting a ton of crap to fill up my "Stream" (the name that G+ gives what Facebook calls your "Feed"). Hopefully that'll work out. =P
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I don't like having to post everything publicly. There are some things that I'd prefer to keep between a few of my friends, or just family instead of across the board. I believe Google+ will give me that ability.

The trick is, convincing the 217 friends and family I have on there to move over. I doubt Google will give me that many invites. lol
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Google's facedown with Facebook is capitalism at its best. Google's success or failure will rest on its ability to create a niche, brand, and market it. There is nothing that spurs innovation forward better than competition.
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@corichu - As long as it's actually competitive, I agree completely.
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justthisguyyouknow 30th Jun
Yes, of course things are the way they are and they will never change, and so no one should even try to change anything.

If we all thought like that Friendster would be the only social networking site out there.
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@justthisguyyouknow - It's not about 'never changing' or avoiding pushing the innovation envelope and competing, however in this particular case, I'm just trying to find the value in what Google is doing if the adoption rate doesn't make it valuable....
Balderdash and piffle.

Regardless of how well G+ gets on, it's monumentally unlikely that FB/Tw will rule forever.

Remember MySpace? Friendster? (or for that matter, WordPerfect and Netscape!).

I haven't been invited yet (sob!), so cannot comment og G+ - but if they fail, that doesn't mean some kid in a shed in the Ozarks will fail too.

And as for sharing 'like' with FB, well Duh! Even if they wanted to, do you SERIOUSLY believe FB would stop laughing long enough to say "No"?

Stick with what you know? So let's scrap gmail, the biggest progress in email of the last decade. Let's forget YouTube.

Enough. I have not read such an incompetent article for months; you were desperate to get on the G+ bandwagon, and forgot to put your brain in gear.

You owe us an apology.
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@Heenan73 - An apology for...? I think Google is a great company. Even though I'm an iPhone user, I think the Droid also rocks. Gmail is also great, the reason I use it for personal email. Thanks for the colorful comments regardless and for taking the time to post.
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"Rich Harris has been a web marketer"
hmmm
is he being paying by Zuckerbergh now?
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@gguybr - Heh, would be nice....
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Nice stance, poor back-up
kymac 30th Jun
So I see your point and, in a way, agree with it....but I don't agree with your reasons. "People have chosen their platform"? Are you new to the internet? The internet allows us to switch our preference on a whim. The fact that everyone is using Facebook today means NOTHING a year from now.

I do agree that Google should get out of social networking.... *unless* it fully commits and builds a stable, extensive platform. I signed up for Wave and what happened? A few months later it shut down. I felt stupid for asking for invites and offering invites to my friend.

So now I have to wonder, will +1 be the same? Already it's on a limited release (like Wave was) - but is it a directed limited release? I was there when facebook began. Most my friends had myspace at the time (and so did I) but I joined facebook because I knew others from my school would be on and sure enough, they were. Compared to Google Facebook has been much more careful and calculating in its release.

So really, I'd LOVE to try +1, but I have my suspicions that if it doesn't work the way Google wants it to they will just abandon it and work on something else.
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@kymac - Thanks for taking the time comment and read.

RE: "So I see your point and, in a way, agree with it....but I don't agree with your reasons. "People have chosen their platform"? Are you new to the internet? The internet allows us to switch our preference on a whim. The fact that everyone is using Facebook today means NOTHING a year from now."

I'm not new to the internet but I'm just looking at sheer numbers. Facebook, in less than ten years, has almost 1 billion opt-in customers who spend a remarkable amount of their internet lives via personal computer and smartphone using their service. I can't see that many people 'changing on a whim' when they are familiar with, and apparently enjoying, using Facebook. I'm no Facebook fan boy, in fact I'm using it less lately, I'm just looking at the data and reading the industry stats is all.
@Rich Harris No, people wouldn't change on a whim what they are familiar with and enjoy using but you are failing to realize that it would not be a "whim" if Google does succeed in offering a superior (and fewer hassles is superior) service. Not everyone enjoys using FB - some use it because it's the default. Many people are annoyed at the lack of privacy and personalization through FB. The movement to G+ would not be a whim for these individuals.
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mschauber Updated - 30th Jun
I couldn't disagree more. facebook does not meet my needs and in fact has harmed my needs. (Note: fb sells your photos to stock photo companies without telling you or giving you a piece of the pie. Fact! I was lucky enough to find out and negotiate with the stock photo company so I wouldn't make it public b/c of their contract with fb.

Bing is useless when you have Google, so you're argument could as easily be towards Microsoft in regards to their never ending renaming of their search system.

apple makes cool looking, slick, popular toys, but they don't come close to meeting my desire for functionality or quality.

apple and facebook are in the same business: let's make money off of what is popular and 'in'.

If Google, facebook, apple, Bing were the end all and best possible in their respective specialties, then everyone else should throw in the towel. But then without competitors pushing, almost no company would improve their products.

For Google+, facebook as little to lose. fb has pretty much maxed out the US membership with flat signups. At 700M (a whole 300M less than you're 1B,) they may be of little match to a Google+ when you look at the # of default and home pages Google sits on. With a quality product, privacy, up front TOS, fair corporate/branding agreements, decent marketing, and good PR dept, I don't believe Google+ is beatable. But there are a lot of pieces to that puzzle and if any of them are top notch, then you and your followers will be stuck with fb until the next fb killer comes along. It happened to Myspace, it happened to RIM, it happened Nokia and it WILL happen to fb, unless people take what you say as gospel and throw in the towel because other's are already doing it.
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@MedicNYC - Thanks for the comments. First off, I hope no one ever takes anything I say as gospel. happy My main point is that while each company has a core part of their business + the little fledgling side projects that sometimes don't quite get the traction they had hoped for, if they embellish what they are strong in and make those the focus, (for Google it'd be comms/collab and smartphones) then everyone will continue to rock and make great products. I've seen many companies in Silicon Valley try to diversify unsuccessfully so I'm just hoping none of my favorite companies, including Google, make lame decisions to to drag down the services I DO enjoy from them.
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The first social network that actually lets me organize my real life connections will win me over. At the moment not one of the "social networks" manages this. Google does have the tools to do this, all it has to do is pull them together in an easy, sensible and coherent manner!
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