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Microsoft's no-win IE6 browser mess

By | March 4, 2010, 6:04am PST

Summary: The new European browser menu launched this week, and Microsoft in many ways faces a no-win situation. These past few years have been a doozy for Microsoft’s Internet Explorer. After extricating itself from a legal mess with Netscape, its IE6 browser braved on and captured more than two-thirds of the market at its height in the [...]

The new European browser menu launched this week, and Microsoft in many ways faces a no-win situation. These past few years have been a doozy for Microsoft’s Internet Explorer. After extricating itself from a legal mess with Netscape, its IE6 browser braved on and captured more than two-thirds of the market at its height in the fall of 2003. While unbundled, IE’s fortunes remained closely tied the operating system, and so Vista’s failure to displace XP as the standard image for many enterprises around the world also impacted IE7 and IE8’s uptake. Even with the well-received launch of Windows 7, IE’s overall erosion accelerated this past year.

When AOL stopped development of the Netscape browser, it left Mozilla’s Firefox to challenge IE’s dominance. And it’s put up a good fight. Firefox today can claim browser market leadership for tech enthusiasts, with 46.5% of the market compared to 35% for all IE versions combined, according to the latest WC3Schools data. Google also started muscling in with Chrome. After a year-and-a-half on the market, Google finally took Chrome to the people, delivering a marketing onslaught in Europe to coincide with the new browser menu. It seems to be paying off: In January, Google’s Chrome cracked double digits and crept further up in February to 11.6% of the market share. Other market data sources like Netmarketshare aren’t quite as bad for IE, placing all versions of IE combined at 62% of the market versus 24% for Firefox and 5.6% for Chrome. Opera, which initiated the European litigation, only captures 2% of the market but said it’s already feeling the benefit of the browser menu.

But who really cares about browser market share other than the vendors and web developers? I mean, really, they seem to be free and plentiful. Consumers and information workers want web sites to work correctly, for their activities to be secure, and to have features that improve their web browsing experience like speed, add-ons, and customization. But despite improvements on all of these fronts with IE8, particularly around security, Microsoft’s IE6 remains entrenched in many global enterprises, because choice is often dependent on customizations with third-party apps, operating system upgrades, or security/compliance concerns. In these cases, European browser menu choice matters little.

Microsoft has been trying to clean up its web browser mess for enterprises by reaffirming its commitment to interoperability and standards for web browsers and ensuring compatibility between IE7 and IE8. It’s been advocating for more than a year for customers to upgrade to IE8, even if it’s obligated to continue support of IE6 until 2014. But it now seems the acrimony over IE6 is reaching near-hysterical levels, from an online petition in the UK for the British government to ditch IE6 to the revelation that the recent Google hacker attack in China exploited a vulnerability in IE6. (Yes, you read it right: Google was using IE6.)

All of this puts Microsoft in a no-win situation where IE6 remediation is needed. Every client I have spoken with in the past months facing this issue is either staying on IE6 or just letting users download an alternative browser, most often Firefox. Virtualization tends to be assessed and dismissed. Most customers say they will eventually upgrade IE, just as they will move to Windows 7. The effort and aggravation of IE6 application remediation may make more enterprises want to make a clean break from IE. But we don’t think they will. And Microsoft doesn’t want them to be swept away that easily either. Early indications show Microsoft is bucking up with IE9, adding HTML5 support and providing even more standards support. Now, if 6 turned up to be 9, Microsoft would definitely not mind. But for now, it remains a fine mess.

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"braved on" - not. Firefox and other browsers braved on.
softwareFlunky 5th Mar 2010
IE 6 has been running and hiding under Microsoft's skirts every time the public eye turns towards it. It would be history if it weren't tied to Windows.
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Very interesting ...
n0neXn0ne Updated - 4th Mar 2010
"...according to the latest WC3 data."

... to see ZDNet quote someone other than NetApps.

What happened. Did NetApps not pay their bill? OR is it just Adrian that have exclusive rights to post NetApps stats?

^o^

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Forget about the browser
P. Douglas Updated - 4th Mar 2010
I think MS should (eventually) just forget about the browser. Success in the browser and Windows are two contradictory goals. One happens at the expense of the other. MS should focus its energies at pulling the Internet directly into Windows in the form of local apps, and highly monetize this for itself and companies that make money from the web. I don't even think MS is, or has ever made money from the web.
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RE: Microsoft's no-win IE6 browser mess
Loverock Davidson 4th Mar 2010
I wouldn't say no-win or mess. IE6 still works as intended. But after using IE7 and IE8 and having tabs its not the preferred version of IE. I think people are making more of a big deal about IE6 than need be.
The lack of tabs is low on my list of reasons to dislike IE6!
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It works fine
Loverock Davidson 4th Mar 2010
and has been that way for millions of people. I can browse the web on it, the pages display fine. Only thing wrong with it is the lack of tabs.
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It is buggy.
It is slow.

If it "behaves fine" for you, then that is only because it is a constant massive drain on my and people like me's time and resources. And we are all sick and tired of it.

IE6 Must Die!
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Then
Viva la crank dodo 4th Mar 2010
that is not a problem with IE. It is a problem that you have the time to deal with it. It is never an MS issue.

Sorry, since LD does not respond when confronted with Logic and Reason, I figured I'd fill in the void with a Loverockian comment.
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Patience, patience
Yagotta B. Kidding 4th Mar 2010
IE6 Must Die!

2014. Just remember, 2014. Mostly. Sorta. Of course, there are plenty of organizations that will keep using IE6 long after that date, because their enterprise systems are built around it and they'd have to redo everything from scratch if they replaced it. Including reverse-engineering a lot of the business logic since the applications were purchased customized and never properly documented.

Think of it this way: IE6 is the COBOL of browsers. When COBOL goes away, you can start your 40-year clock going for IE6.
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You aren't a Web Developer... are you....
cosuna Updated - 4th Mar 2010
@Loverock: I know what you feel when you say that "it works fine". The problem's you don't know the troubles and ordeals web programmers have nowadays to give you that experience while at the same time supporting other browsers (including IE7 and IE8).

It used to be that supporting IE6 was simple, you just specified in your site This site requires Internet Explorer and that was it. You could use all the "features" and trust the user wouldn't mind sticking with the familiar.

Then we found out that the "gollies" IE6 offered, like ActiveX had terrible "sideeffects". Microsoft reassured us that, just by signing them, they had prevented any rouge use. But they were dead wrong. People started figuring out how to install software without the knowledge of the users.

So IE became a nightmare. When Microsoft finally decided to restart their browser team (it was long dead) they at first worked haphazardly. Early IE7 betas were incompatible between each other; so we, Web Designers, had no way to know what would eventually work on the end product (reminds you of Vista.. ain't it).

So MS did their homework and created IE8, after they found out people hated IE7 more intensely than IE6. And they thought well and added a "Compatiblity" option to IE8. The problem's that compatibility is just IE7, not IE6, so basically it's not compatible with anything (see comment above).

Today most companies are stuck with IE6. No amount of petitions, rallies, even lawsuits can make them change. Why? 'Cause they don't have the money or expertise to change IE6 specific sites to any other technology and they can't have a clear transition path (where some pages render on one engine and other in another) 'cause Windows is binary, either IE6-Yes or IE6-No.

People are ditching IE on their own but need to stick with IE6 for corporate intranets. That's the sad reality and everyone involved has to face it.
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IE6 is very non-compliant.
Bruizer 4th Mar 2010
and MS strongly encouraged Enterprises to take advantage of those
"advantages". As a result, many home grown apps simply do not work on
anything BUT IE6. This makes it very hard for many companies to just
abandon IE6 in favor of newer, more secure browsers.
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IE6 remediation tech approach
Spats30 4th Mar 2010
Approach #1:

How about MS build an IE 8 Lite version that doesn't
have all the OS hooks, and that can be installed side-
by-side with IE6. That's one of the huge problems,
you can't have multiple versions of IE on the same box
(yes, I know you can if you really want). But the
average desktop user this is not an option. So give
them another version of IE that they can install along
side of IE6 and make (allow) the new version the
default.

Approach #2:

Take a page from Chrome Frame and make an IE 8 frame
that runs inside IE6 be default. Then have a switch-
back to IE6 if needed for specific legacy
applications.
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Hey dude...
cosuna 4th Mar 2010
Your IE8 Lite solution is right on!

Exactly what the Firefox people did to Mozilla when they ditched all the legacy "Netscape Communicator" crap for a clean and simple browser based on Gecko.

MS could do just the same and have a Trident 4.0 / MSHTML.dll 8.0 browser which could run along side IE6 or better yet, change "Compatibility View" to a MSHTML.dll 6.0.
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IE is the most used browser
gdeckler 4th Mar 2010
Your statistic quoted is for 1 website. It is only the % usage on w3schools.com. The real numbers are closer to 60/30 IE/FireFox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

Come-on, check your facts, that is INEXCUSABLE. How does that even possibly slide by???? Are you kidding me?

From your link:

"W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends."
Microsoft will release Internet Explorer 9 for Windows XP, Vista, and 7.


Internet Explorer 10 for Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 due by 2011.

Internet Explorer 11 for Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 due by 2012.

Internet Explorer 12 for Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 9 due by 2013.

Internet Explorer 13 for Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 9 due by 2014.



Time to come... Big bang of doomsday start on year 2012 until Earth to be destroyed by CERN in Europe.
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I followed your W3C link. If you'd bothered to even scroll down just a little, you would have seen this disclaimer at the end of the table:
"W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users."

So Forrester "Research" means grabbing the first statistics you find and not doing any fact-checking or showing any curiousity about where those numbers came from. I can do without those kind of "experts."
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Agreed
ParrotHead_FL 4th Mar 2010
Before I even read that disclaimer, I was incredulous--I interact with a LOT of "average" users, and knew that there was no way Firefox's market share could be that high when so many people I know are continuing to use IE.

I operate a website for a public (governmental) entity, and our stats show 98.3% of users with IE and 1% with Firefox. I wouldn't claim that as representative of the broader marketplace, though.
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Who cares about browsers? I do.
JustinHunter 4th Mar 2010
>>But who really cares about browser market share other than the vendors and web developers? I mean, really, they seem to be free and plentiful.

Software as a Service vendors, like us, care. We have made the decision not to support IE6 because it is an abomination riddled with security issues that would be a major nuisance to support. Unfortunately for us, several of our large target clients who have expressed a serious interest in acquiring enterprise-wide licenses of our Hexawise software test case generating tool still require all of their employees to use IE6.

Incidentally, Joel Spolsky wrote a brilliant article in 2008 on Microsoft's impending browser challenges: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html

Justin Hunter
Founder of Hexawise
Proponent of Killing IE6 once and for all
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Your data source is WRONG
Justin James 4th Mar 2010
You've got two MAJOR mistakes in your data source. The first is, your data does not come from "WC3" (which seems to be a corruption of "W3C", the organization responsibile for a variety of Web standards), it comes from "W3Schools", a Web site to teach basic Web development ideas. And there is the second problem with your data. It is a well documented fact that the W3Schools data is much more heavily weighted towards non-IE browsers simply because of who their audience is (I bet you'll see Safari with a count higher than the average Mac market share too). If you want accurate numbers, get Google to cough 'em up, or perhaps Wall Street Journal, Facebook, USA Today, or some other Web site that has a universal appear, not just to people heavily interested in Web development who, by extension, are much more tech savvy and likely to use non-IE browsers.

This kind of error brings your research into doubt, and by associateion, makes Forrester look very bad.

J.Ja
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RE: Microsoft's no-win IE6 browser mess
SEO_manager 4th Mar 2010
Just ran a check across a variety of web sites my company manages. Sites target markets in IL, OH, TX, MI, and IN. Each site had monthly traffic between 10 and 35k visitors. IE ranged from 75-84%, FF 8-14%, Safari 4-7%, and Chrome 1-4%. While it is clear that most people are using IE, the break down by version was IE 8 45% IE 7 40% and IE 15%. If you consider each version of IE as a separate browser choice, the VERY clear conclusion is that only a very small percentage of visitors are using IE 6, and that number shrinks on a daily basis.
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IE 6 has been running and hiding under Microsoft's skirts every time the public eye turns towards it. It would be history if it weren't tied to Windows.

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