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Analyst: Cheap ultrathin laptops push design limits; cracked plastic

By | July 2, 2009, 7:22am PDT

Summary: Been eyeing a thin-and-light laptop recently? You know, the kind that usually comes prefixed with the “Macbook Air killer” tag? Be careful what you wish for. Broadpoint AmTech analyst Doug Freedman said Wednesday to CNET contributor Brooke Crothers that some PC manufacturers are discovering the limits to how thin a cheap laptop can really be. “Early production units [...]

Been eyeing a thin-and-light laptop recently? You know, the kind that usually comes prefixed with the “Macbook Air killer” tag?

Be careful what you wish for.

Broadpoint AmTech analyst Doug Freedman said Wednesday to CNET contributor Brooke Crothers that some PC manufacturers are discovering the limits to how thin a cheap laptop can really be.

“Early production units being built in plastic, with the bottom case being plastic, are cracking,” Freedman said in the interview, referring to discussions he had with original equipment manufacturers and and original design manufacturers.

(ODMs usually just supply “blank” or “white label” devices to OEMs, which then slap on their own brand.)

The solution? Follow Apple’s lead and use a metal shell to house the system, Freedman said in a research note distributed Wednesday morning. At the moment, the MacBook Air and Dell Adamo are the only systems made of metal on the market — but the Air starts at $1,499 and the Adamo $1,999.

By comparison, MSI’s X-Slim 340 — made of mostly plastic — sells for $900.

Of course, with a metal case comes a higher price tag. Which means a “Macbook Air killer” becomes considerably less competitive feature-for-feature, price-for-price, with the more expensive ultrathin laptops already on the market.

The design limits are such a sensitive issue that Intel issued a statement Wednesday saying that the case problem Freedman refers to has nothing to with Intel processors, Crothers reports.

“Case design issues reported to be found by an ODM, not consumers, in early production units for ultra-thin laptops have nothing to do with Intel processors whatsoever. We want to be clear that this is not a CPU design issue,” Intel said in a statement.

Freedman writes that ODMs and OEMs are trying to bring out laptops based on Intel’s “CULV,” or consumer ultra-low voltage, technology in an attempt to bridge the gap between the hot (but underpowered and undersized) netbook market and traditional notebooks. The expensive thin-and-lights on the market now use ultra-low voltage, or ULV, tech.

On the consumer side, that’s why we’re seeing PC manufacturers (Samsung, Lenovo) pumping out larger 11- and 12-inch Atom-powered, Nvidia Ion-based netbooks rather than ULV Pentium/Celeron/Core 2 systems.

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economy1 19th Jul 2009
I've googled awhile now and I can't find anyone posting either a brand name or a consumer complaint about the issue.

Seems very odd given the seriousness of the alleged failure. But I don't even understand how lower power machines that are advertised to generate less heat are getting hot enough to cause this problem. Is there a logic checker on this issue?

If someone can point the finger to a real problem somewhere, I'd like to know about it.

Otherwise, this is just some quilting circle gossip as far as I can see.
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It's cheap for a reason, folks.
frgough 2nd Jul 2009
Apparently, this lesson is never learned.
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Some things are expensive for no reason.

Some inexpensive things, while having fewer features / lower power than more expensive things, often fit actual needs better. So yes, sometimes it is cheap because corners were cut, sometimes it is inexpensive because there is no need for it to be expensive.
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Inexpensive does not equal cheap
frgough 2nd Jul 2009
Another example of the lesson not being learned.
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Exactly why price can be deceiving
NonZealot Updated - 2nd Jul 2009
You are totally right, inexpensive does not equal cheap. Just because something costs less does not mean it is cheap. Which is why your original statement is somewhat deceiving. You can't tell by looking at the price whether something is cheap or simply inexpensive.

Nor can you tell by looking at the price whether something is overpriced or simply good value. The recent MS ads prove that some $1,500 laptops are grossly overpriced and some $1,500 laptops are simply good value. Neither is cheap / inexpensive but one gives you much more value for your $1,500 than the other.
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And yet from the article
Richard Flude 2nd Jul 2009
"Of course, with a metal case comes a higher price tag. Which means a
?Macbook Air killer? becomes considerably less competitive feature-for-
feature, price-for-price, with the more expensive ultrathin laptops
already on the market."

We know, thanks to NonZealot and friends, that all laptops are made
from the same components and Apple charges ridiculous price for the
same stuff;-)
The fact is that the layouts for metal and plastic right
now, pound for pound, are only different by.... 20 bucks?
So, they wouldn't have to add ANY dollars to the price by
adding metal cases.
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Umm... no
lumpy_blumpkin 2nd Jul 2009
First of all, $20 does not equal free. At the very least, they need to add
that to the price, plus some profit. Also, I hope you realize that in a free
market prices are set more by what customers are willing to pay than by
what it takes to produce the good. Certainly a metal case which does not
crack adds a significant amount of value to the product, and (some)
customers are willing to pay a premium for that.
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Manufacturing steps add to cost
GuidingLight Updated - 2nd Jul 2009
I would imagine with the plastic cases that the injection molding process is both quicker, and one step: Once molded, it is basiclly finished except for some flash or spur cleanup.

With Aluminum it is cut on a milling machine, then washed to remove cutting oils, then polished as bare aluminum is quite dull (as is any metal), the possibly coated to reduce the chance of oxidation.

Upkeep for the machines may be different, which is past on in the price of the manufactured goods, but I am not sure which would require more maintenance.

Add in that while the solid case is machined from an aluminum billet, the plastic is (in many cases)created using plastic purchased in pelletized form.

Whether there is any real pros or cons to what type of case a laptop is manufacctured from is up to the end user.
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I honestly didn't think about
Lerianis10 2nd Jul 2009
Milling, washing, polishing, etc.... oh, wait,
yeah, I did..... my cousin makes these things
as 'hobby projects' and when she makes them, it
costs about 20 dollars once she cracks the old
computer open and sees how it was made and
where all the 'fittings' and screw holes are.

Guys, you are totally forgetting that aluminum
is cheap metal, and plastic is made from OIL,
which is a little bit expensive right now.
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Fail
DeusExMachina 9th Jul 2009
How is what your cousin does as a hobby even remotely relevant? Since
she is not charging herself for her time or expertise, what difference
does it make what her material costs are. I suspect that if she decided to
go in to business pursuing this hobby, that she would NOT charge $20 a
unit.

Also, aluminum is NOT a cheap metal, it is actually rather expensive, and
it is significantly more expensive to tool than many commodity metals
such as steal.

Fail.
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proof it
bannedfromzdnetagain 5th Jul 2009
how do you know? where are those facts? any proof?
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Do ALL plastic cases crack?
NonZealot 2nd Jul 2009
The next question would be: are there inexpensive though still high quality plastic cases that aren't cracking or are 100% of all plastic cases cracking and the only way of avoiding this is to spend $1,500+ on a laptop with a metal case? In other words, is there anything between the $300 cracking cases and the $1,500 non cracking cases or do you have to pay a $1,200 premium to get a laptop that doesn't break? This would be useful information to have.
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Didn't they already answer this?
T1Oracle 2nd Jul 2009
Hard plastic cracks, soft plastic is of no use, metal machining is expensive. I think the question is pretty much answered. Unless the metal manufacturing comes down (unlikely) we are stuck.

Of course, you don't have to get something as thin as the MBA. Is thin worth $1200 to you?
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Even Apple's laptops have suffered from poor heat extraction. What is needed in part is a better case and airflow design, similar to that used by Lenovo. With the Lenovo laptops the fan pulls air in from the side and it exists out the top so the flow is much less likely to be restricted when the user sets the laptop on their lap.

The other requirement is intelligent power consumption with the CPU only using as much power as needed for the tasks at hand. This is also a concern with dedicated video cards being added primarily for gamers but also potentially adding a lot of heat inside the case.

The mechanical engineer doing the case design is going to usually be the low man on the totem pole with the EE guys and gals in the driver's seat on product design and execution. Product design is treated as a linear process and this takes a lot of options off the table at the onset. Using a metal shell to fix a heat problem at the tail end of the process is bad engineering and the result of bad product design and ineffective product management. What is different about Apple is that Job's will not settle for what passes as design and engineering at other companies.
The statement: 'ODMs usually just supply ?blank? or ?white label? devices to OEMs, which then slap on their own brand.' is mostly BS. The author is uniformed, if not ignorant of OEM manufacturing processes.

People get paid for writing this kind of gossip?
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I'd say pretty close though.
merc2dogs` 6th Jul 2009
Makes for streamlined profits.
I don't think he's saying one company makes the complete unit, then ships it out for 'stamping'.
Many products are built in one plant using the same lines and equipment, some have minor design elements changed, features disabled etc.
For many electronic assembly lines, it's much easier to fully populate the board then simply disable features not asked for.
Open many computers up and you'll see the same part numbers and other markings on the boards themselves. Simply comparing specs on them and you'll see that most are the exact same system.
The wrapper may be different, but most hold the same contents.

Ken.
It's just design/material limitations. Plastic is brittle, and as with any material gets weaker as it cross section gets thinner. The ultrathins are so thin that they simply don't have the room for ribs, and can't use form strength to advantage.

possible steps would be to redesign and move components so tehre is enough room for better strengthening ribs to be incorporated into the case

Redesign the components themselves so -they- can be used as strengthening members. if you need a bracket to hold a fan, or componment, make that bracket strengthen the case

Use a stamped steel or aluminum 'subframe' in the case to support the circuitry and strengthen the case.

A diecast aluminum case could be designed that would require no more maching steps than a diecast plastic case, and could also have cooling fins integrated so you could eliminate 'add-in' coolers. (which means no added weight and a stronger case all around)

Ken.
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I don't know who started this "cracking" rumor, but I bet it was an executive who wants more people to buy more expensive laptops. All laptops are greatly marked up and metal is only pennies more than plastic. Another foolish scam going on here is trying to make the public believe that they want thin laptops. Small does not equal thin. Some greedy executive wants John Q. Public to believe "I want a thin laptop, but I don't want a cheap one!" There are two problems with that statement. Firstly he probably didn't even need a new laptop, but the thin gimmick gets him to buy one. Second is that John Q. now think he not only needs a new laptop, but he better stay away from those cheap ones! What John Q really wants is a cheap small laptop. Thickness doesn't matter because an object is really only as small as it's widest point which is the dimension of the screen. Thinness is a gimmick. Don't buy into it. I think this netbook thing really pisses off greedy executives who found customers really have a product that they like. I don't care how thick they are.
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Posting from another dimension
DeusExMachina Updated - 9th Jul 2009
The only person telling people what they need here is you, and with
scant or non-existent data to back it up.
Who are you to dictate what other's need, especially since you clearly
don't understand even basic physical requirements? To wit:

"Thickness doesn't matter because an object is really only as small as
it's widest point which is the dimension of the screen."

You can not even begin to justify this statement. On what basis do you
make this claim. Seeing as you have no clue what dimensions a person
is confined to, you are not in a position to dictate what the most
important dimension is. For instance, I may carry my computer in a
brief case of backpack, and while I have essentially unlimited room
side to side, I may only have an inch in depth of available space. (In
fact, this is a very common scenario.) The point is, you are not in a
position to say what the important dimension is.
As for netbooks, how is it pissing anyone off? "Executives" who want
to address that market are free to manufacture them. Those that don't
are free not to. No one is stopping companies like Apple from
manufacturing netbooks. They chose not to of their own free will,
based on a market analysis that runs counter to yours. Their 30+
billion in LIQUID cash indicates they just might know better than you.
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economy1 19th Jul 2009
I've googled awhile now and I can't find anyone posting either a brand name or a consumer complaint about the issue.

Seems very odd given the seriousness of the alleged failure. But I don't even understand how lower power machines that are advertised to generate less heat are getting hot enough to cause this problem. Is there a logic checker on this issue?

If someone can point the finger to a real problem somewhere, I'd like to know about it.

Otherwise, this is just some quilting circle gossip as far as I can see.
Do as the english do: only buy the best value for your money
Best is best for me regardless of material or manufacturer. In that
context the Apple MacBook Pro 17 3.06GHz is the best laptop for
me. I took no ones advice in my purchase, just a hands on
examination of the machine and its competitors. I did not chose
Windows software or its variants running on alternative OEM
machines. I power, simplicity of use and flexibility. It struck me that
it was ultimately the best solution to have access to both machines
thanks to BootCamp, Parallels and VMware using the Apple solution
than a single computing software solution from Microsoft married to
a particular OEM (Dell, HP, Toshiba or Sony). The mac running both
OS X and Windows of any variation was the best choice for me. That
is the intelligent way to buy any product, figure out what is best and
affordable for you! Do not let others make you choice for you, go
examine both machines and make your choice, is that not how you
purchase pretty much everything else?
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Enough with "cheap plastics", zinc-breath!
johnrpriest 10th Jul 2009
Plastics can be designed to outperform any metal e.g. nanotube carbon fiber-reinforced nylon or Kevlar cannot be matched for either tensile strength or crack resistance by any metal at the same thickness or weight. While these materials are not "cheap", I opine that the material cost per lb is a very small fraction of the finished cost.
Old Plastics Engineer.

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