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A Facebook warning call: NYT says Google+ gets privacy right

By | July 18, 2011, 1:00pm PDT

Summary: It’s another warning for Facebook as the New York Times gives Google+ a one-up when it comes to handling privacy.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a complete revamping of Facebook’s privacy settings fairly soon - especially now that the New York Times has given Google+ a one-up over Facebook when it comes to privacy settings.

Privacy still matters - or maybe it’s just control over what gets shared that really matters. That’s something that Facebookers have told founder Mark Zuckerberg time and time again, usually in a revolt when a new feature will come to Facebook and the privacy settings get tweaked in favor of more sharing. Users squawk, Facebook readjusts the settings and issues an apology and all is forgiven. After all, it’s not like there was another Facebook-like place where people could hang out and socialize on the Internet.

Until now.

Also: Mark Zuckerberg: Facebook users usually get over privacy anxiety

In less than a month, Google+ has skyrocketed, now at 10 million strong and growing. There’s been quite a bit of chatter on Facebook among the people in my networks. And many of them are starting to show up in Google+, adding me to their circles. Even my wife, who spends a fair amount of time connecting with friends and family on FB, asked about Google+ on Saturday. We set up an account and, by the time Monday morning came around, her network of circles was already growing.

My wife, who tends to take her Facebook privacy settings - as well as her friend list - very seriously, was initially hesitant about Google+. She certainly didn’t like the idea of not having to request a friend or approve a friend, nor was she comfortable with just anyone seeing her photos, status updates and other postings.

But then, as she got deeper into Google+, she started to recognize that sharing with specific circles was actually a “better way” (her words, not mine) of posting things. She’s the one who recognized that this Google+ way of sharing was better than having to go in and mess with all of those settings in Facebook.

Now, none of this is to say that Facebook will be heading down a MySpace path anytime soon. My wife has built a strong network of folks in FB and even she commented that, without a few of her core Facebook friends, Google+ was kind of boring. Certainly, she won’t stop logging in to Facebook on a regular basis.

Still, this should serve as yet another warning call to Facebook. Google is sending a strong and loud message that Facebook is no longer the only game in town. And taking time to address the pain points that have long existed in Facebook - such as privacy - will only make Google+ look that much more attractive.

Which brings me back to my prediction that, in the case of privacy settings, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Facebook come up with some sort of simplification of those settings. Sure, that means the leader would be following in the footsteps of the new guy on the block.

But, it’s got to be better than following in the footsteps of MySpace.

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Dear Facebook, I won my information.
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Rob.sharp@... Updated - 19th Jul
@rob.sharp@... Classy . . . for a troll of course.
@tatiGmail LOL! Then Google sold the **** out of it for a profit.
@JoeHTH
That was already done on Facebook.
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Same sales pitch from the bloggers
William Pharaoh Updated - 18th Jul
"Now that Google's here 'X' is no longer the only game in town"

Until Google folds it. They've done it enough time in the past.

Now, I'm no fan of Facebook, but pushes out a lot of fads, something it appears that Facebook isn't.

"Skyrocketed?" You call 10 million people as skyrocketing? that's funny.

Facebooks probally already passed 750 million in the time it took to print they hit 750 million.

Only 740+ million people to go for Google!
Facebook- 750,000,000 users in 7 years, or 107,142,857 per year.

Google+ - 10,000,000+ users in less than 1 month, or at that rate over 120,000,000 users a year.

Yes, the numbers are "skyrocketing". It isn't just about numbers, but about how fast they get to those numbers. And Google+ is getting numbers FAST.
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But only because Facebook made people aware
William Pharaoh Updated - 18th Jul
@goff256
of social networking, so Google is getting help ( a head start, as it were) as people now understand the value to them.

There are so many examples in history, where uptake on a new product or idea was slow, but once people saw the value to them, other companies jumped it and picked up running.

If this came out 7 years ago, would Google have 10 million people in less then a month?

No, they wouldn't. So nothing against what you're saying, I'm pointing out that I would be surprised if it was much less, given that Google is just riding the hype, and time will tell if it's really worth sticking with.

Plus, I'm pointing out the constent "fanboyism" of Sam and Christopher, where everything Google related always sounds better then it is. happy
There is a chance that this will fail, just like anything else.

And journalists love this.

The thing is, though, I can see this being more successful than Facebook. Google has learned from their mistakes and are making a superior product.
@goff256 Your math is very flawed.
@goff256 Gee, in no time at all, by your calculation, Google+ will have over 25 billion users! Hey wait, there ain't that many people on earth!!

Problem is you're using "straight-line" calculation, and it's the beginning of the roll-out. It could also just stall right now and never get over 50 million.
You're right, it could stall at 50 million.

But to say that 10 million in less than a month isn't skyrocketing is just being anti-Google
@greg_nw it would take over 208,000 years for google to get 25 billion users if they grow at 10,000 a month.

(25 000 000 000 / 10 000) / 12 = 208 333.333

I'd hardly call that "no time at all"
And that model isn't even taking into account the deaths of people (unless we assume everyone is immortal).
@goff256 That's one giant ass leap of logic. I've never seen such and blind assumption in my life.
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Michael Alan Goff Updated - 19th Jul
You're right, it's not "no time". ~_~

Also, the assumption is that it will only remain steady. We can't predict the future, we can only go from the data we are given. Such a large number, and the reason is irrelevant, is skyrocketing.

Does it matter if Facebook did it first? No. Google put out a product that people like, and it's growing.

Edit: Even going by a continued 10m a month? That's 208 years, hardly "no time at all".

But, there will be a critical mass. The problem is predicting it. There are roughly 2.1 billion people using the internet (if stats are to be trusted). That means, in theory, Google + could end up capping at over 1 billion users, since a number of under 18 users aren't allowed (age).
@William Pharaoh
"But only because Facebook made people aware"? And MySpace made people aware of Facebook, etc.
You sound like someone who thinks they invented sex.
One day, Google+ will no doubt help somebody become aware of something else. Who cares?
@William Pharaoh
Lets see how many years dd it take face book to get to the 750 million mark lets see if google averages 10 mil a month or thats 120 mill a year in 6 years they will have the same amount of users facebook does in what took them 8 years to get to..I don't know but that seems to beat Facebooks record.
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Because the uptake is so fast is not an indication that it is superior, just that more people are aware of social networking sites.

Facebook literally started the phenomenon, and the concept always takes some time to "come of age" from the begining.

Google is starting from a position based on the groundwork laid out by Facebook.

Google needs not entice people into social networking, as facebook has already pulled the people into the concept.
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@Fletchguy You cannot use that math because it is flawed. Facebook's mean growth is 750 million / 7 years ... but that's not how it works year for year. Eventually the growth is smaller because of market saturation.
@Fletchguy Another giant assumption. Call me when Google+ grows 10 million users over the course of 7 years. Then we will talk.

What an idiot.
haha, @goff256 thats strike man.

750million users, tell me where the hell it's come from, are all 750 million verifed? or just users registered? seriously, FB users is not more than 600mile, normally people who like privacy don't want they friend list annoyed by people from game, so make another account specially for games that have 1k FL, and 1 real account that keep privacy for family and friends only. That's 1 example.
But, how bout internet marketer that have 50 or even 100 account for blasting affiliate marketing links or their blog, you can buy this account everywhere. I even have 10FB id with at least 4k FL.
Now tell me what's exactly? 750mil users registered? or 750 verified member.
this case same like twitter, you want twitter with 10k follower, googling for it and you'll find someone who can make you that id easily.
@kurnialim
As it happens my wife has 2 Facebook accounts just to have it the way you described.
@William Pharaoh @gregnw @prof.ebral
That's 10 million users, in one month, for a beta product that is still invitation only. So yeah, it's a pretty good number. As to whether it will last or fold, remains to be seen, but so far it looks like it'll outdo Facebook.
Having used it so far, just a few days, I'd say it's a pretty solid product, and already better than Facebook in how it lets you organize your contacts and fine tune who gets to see what about you.
@William Pharaoh This is hilarious! Thanks for the humor happy
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750 million - including duplicate and fake profiles.
@William Pharaoh

Facebook didn't have 10M people in the first 3 weeks of being opened. How about you launch a site and get 10M users in 3 weeks? On top of that it's invite only with caps on the number of people they'll invite at a time.

I'd say that yes it is sky rocketing. And not only that the growth will only accelerate when it's open to the public.
@William Pharaoh But how many people are trying to join? I've been trying since I first heard of it, but no success. This time, I don't think Google is worried about it bombing but rather that they can manage the capacity.
@William Pharaoh
As far as I know Google+ is still by invites only.
Anyone can open up a Facebook account at any time.
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bstringy Updated - 18th Jul
No +1 button? What is this, ZDNet?
@bstringy
lol I was thinking the same thing.
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Google should stick to search
onephatcat@... 18th Jul
Sure, a pile of folks signed up, every nerd on the planet wants to check out googles new technology. Personally, I'm happy with my FB and TW and why would I want to use yet another doomed Google service? Google should stick to spending its money on improving its search engine's intelligence. I want to search for python, I get python programming instead of the snake. If I wanted the programming language I would say so. Real world results should not be superseded by virtual world results or products named after real world things. Searching for "coke" should get me first coke, the fuel, second coke the drug, then coke the product. But they waste their billions trying to take over other markets instead of keeping their main product at top notch quality. Why are they trying to be another Microsoft?
@onephatcat@...

I'm pretty sure most of the world disagrees with you regarding the search results. And hey, there are always other search engines if you don't like Google.
@onephatcat@... I agree. In the end, Google+ will have served a very important purpose. We will have a reasonable head count of the planet's nerd population.

Most Facebook users aren't nerds. They don't particularly care about their privacy. And can be further characterized as having a significant amount of inertia. Add Facebook's refusal to let their users export their data and the non-nerds that are not afflicted with inertia will just sigh and forget about Google+. Some tech journalists are already reporting that their Facebook-using, non-nerd, friends and family members aren't interested in joining them on Google+.

Now, with regard to Google search. I want to search for python, I get the snake instead of the programming language. If I wanted the snake I would say so. The really scary thing here is that Eric Schmidt, as Google's CEO, was quoted as saying that Google wants to know what you're thinking before you have even had the thought. Be careful what you wish for.
@Rabid Howler Monkey

Most FaceBook users don't care about their privacy? What evidence do you have to support such drivel?
@mikies Mainly that, in spite of Facebook's privacy policy and past practices, including many privacy gaffes, their user base is on the order of 750 million.
@onephatcat@... let me ask you 1 think, If I suddenly come to you in the middle of the street or probably bus station, than said" excuse me, do you know where can I buy coke?" what's ur answer?
Do you think you'll ask me what coke? drink or cocaine?
I'm quite sure you won't ask me that, but instead you maybe gonna point me to 711 or circle k or anything. And if I'm the one who ask you, that'll be cocaine, not coke
am I right? that's the same with SE, you want search phyton snake? include the snake., or be more detail.
Google will win IMHO at the end, they have wide range of products that will require you to have Google account, you want youtube? account pls, gmail, docs, webmaster tools, analytic and else. I'm sure they'll will improve all this for the sake of their chrome os also, 1 ID only for everything, simple.
1 more, try search python in yahoo, 1 rank will also python programming, you wanna blame yahoo too? You gotta make your own SE if you want the result exactly like what you want? all SE have their own algorithm, but definitly not a psychic who can read your mind.
@onephatcat@... Yes, Google should ignore a new and growing trend and risk and fall behind in an important area. Where can I sign you up to be my CTO? I mean clearly you understand business.

Social is important in search and this will benefit search greatly.
@onephatcat@... Yes, Google should ignore a new and growing trend and risk and fall behind in an important area. Where can I sign you up to be my CTO? I mean clearly you understand business.

Social is important in search and this will benefit search greatly.
@onephatcat@...
Perhaps you should try out Bing for searches.
I may be that it will fit your preferences better.

I do not think you will be pressed to get a Google+ just yet. It is still invites only, and there is nothing stopping you using Facebook instead.
I wonder if they'll change their mind August 1st, when Google delete all the private profiles. I know it's different, but still a blow to privacy in a sense.
@Darkninja962@...
I was just thinking the same thing. I saw the story where Google told its users that by such-and-such date, your profile MUST be public and searchable by Google+ users or it will automatically be deleted. So much for keeping "private".
@Darkninja962@...
Facebook profiles are public also. You can search for anyone. What other people are able to find is up to you.
@hoaxoner Exactly ? just because Facebook provides fields in your profile doesn't mean you have to fill them in.
@hoaxoner Wrong. Facebook profiles are only public IF the user makes their profile public. Sure, you can search for anyone you want ANYWHERE on the web but that doesn't mean you can FIND them on Facebook. Sorry to disappoint you but my profile on Facebook CAN'T be found through ANY web search.
@Darkninja962@... I don't mind my profile being public, because I put only as much information in it as I am comfortable with sharing. If the information isn't there, it can't be shared.
@Darkninja962@... Excellent point! Too bad though that so many who want to throw their personal information as well as that of their online contacts into Google's "I'd sell my mother for a buck" machine will simply refuse to pay attention. I use Facebook and have absolutely NO problems with privacy since it's extremely easy to set up. The biggest complaint about FB is that they change their layout too often and that complaint comes from the FB users who seem incapable of accepting change in any form. I'm very happy that FB blocks Google from exporting information about me AND my FB friends into the Google machine- I DON'T OWN my FB friends info any more than they "own" mine and that's the way it should be: PRIVATE! I don't see Google+ being dumped by Google anytime soon, nor do I see it as a credible threat to FB. Once the novelty of this shiny new toy wears off G+ will, IMHO, be just another source of profiteering for Google and I, for one, will not participate. Also, someone mentioned that there are other search engines than Google, the primary one being Bing. And literally everyone to whom I've recommended Bing and who tried it now use it exclusively and find that search results are much better than Google's. As they say, try it you might like it.
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davidr69 18th Jul
As for the impressive FB statistics, they are completely meaningless. It's ridiculous that you now have third-graders on FB ... well, there are plenty of dumb parents getting them phones also.
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And multiple profiles
ghall@... 18th Jul
@davidr69 At least half my friends have 2 - 4 profiles for their silly farms and whatnot.
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Mahegan 18th Jul
Now Google really has it all - more information than the government and a complete list of who is linked to whom.
This has got to be amazing!
@Mahegan All of that information has a huge value and I'm not talking about search results. Who profits from it? People who sell the access and the people who buy it. It's not just the ads. Google can make enough money from the information and services it already has. They aren't under heavy pressure to get people to 'share' in order to please their stockholders. It's no wonder Facebook was so slow to respond to security concerns and continues to try to open up access to you and your information at every turn. Follow the money and all will be revealed.
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