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Dad to Google: "Thanks for making my daughter cry"

By | December 12, 2011, 4:56pm PST

Summary: A frustrated father took to Google+ to take the search giant for task for locking down his underage daughter’s Google account without warning or recourse.

One very upset father has taken to Google+ to publicly shame Google for its policy of shutting down the accounts of underage users without warning. And when the post in question opens with “Hey Google, thanks for making my daughter cry,” you know that it’s not going to have a happy ending.

Here, I’ll let the words of Rich Warren, the father in question, start the story:

Several years ago I set up a gmail account for my daughter so she could send email to her grandparents. At the beginning of this school year, she started using it much more actively to send messages to her friends and classmates. She also started a blogger blog as a class project.

Then, we woke up this morning to find that Google had disabled both her blog and her email account–apparently because she is under age.

Warren goes on to say that while he understands that Google has to comply with COPPA, the regulatory standard that limits how much information websites can collect on children, he was never advised that this could be a problem. Moreover, Warren says that with his daughter’s account locked, all of her Google-stored information and data could be deleted at any time.

Here’s Warren’s conclusion on why, exactly, this is so upsetting:

Remember, we’re talking about letters from grandparents and friends. I can’t even log in and back them up. They’re just gone.

Google could have made other choices–choices that are more customer friendly, more child friendly and more parent friendly. But they didn’t. They’ve chosen to act in a dogmatic, inflexible way. They’ve chosen to ignore parental consent and opinion. They’ve chosen to act apparently without ever considering how their actions might affect the people who use and rely on their services. Damn the consequences, they did what they wanted to do and ignored everything else.

So, yes. I’m a bit pissed with Google at the moment. I think they could and should do better. This is just not acceptable behavior.

There are two interesting trends in the comments to this open letter to Google: the top comment is another father expressing similar disappointment, saying that his daughter can’t even log into her own Chromebook. But several others called Warren out for not reading his terms of service (TOS) when signing her up for a Google account - the search giant warns against this exact scenario.

In a second, follow-up Google+ post, Warren disputes that criticism, saying that what Google is legally allowed to do is distinct from the honorable course of action. He spares some other invective for the concept of reading every in-depth, legalese-filled TOS out there, too.

Warren’s story has made a lot of headway on the Internet’s mass consciousness: at the time of writing, his original post had +2097, 491 shares, and around 1400 upvotes on Reddit. It appears that there are plenty of Google users out there who sympathize with Warren’s plight.

Google has not publicly issued a response thus far, but I hope they say something soon: this is exactly the kind of validation that Google critics need. Despite Google’s in-house efforts to help users export their data on demand, that’s useless if you can’t get into your own account, and at the end of the day, Google’s the only one with the combination to that lock.

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Matthew has written about consumer and personal technology for The New York Daily News and comic book culture for ComicMix.com.

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Matthew also covers software as a service (SaaS), cloud computing and recurring revenue models for the IT channel at TalkinCloud.com and MSPmentor.net. He has written about consumer and personal technology for The New York Daily News and comic book culture for ComicMix.com. Matthew is a graduate of the Stony Brook University School of Journalism.

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  • When will people realize that Google knows what is best for them?
    Do not their actions clearly spell that out?

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    Mister Spock
    12th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    @Mister Spock

    If your comment title said "When will people realize that Apple knows what is best for them?", you would say AMEN! Stop trolling.
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    NetAdmin1178
    13th Dec
  • Why would I say Amen to my own comment?
    @NetAdmin1178
    also, I would not say Amen as that would indicate that I believed we are here by the designs of some deity, as opposed to the true, evolutionary path that life took.
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    Mister Spock
    13th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    I guess lodging complaints directly to the home office is as good a use for G+ as any.
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    Playdrv4me
    12th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    Guy, don't blame Google for this.... blame COPPA, which is not meant to protect children (I can go up to a child in my neighborhood and get name, address, age, etc. just by asking them for it most times, even if their parents taught them to not 'talk to strangers') but to cause problems for online companies.

    COPA and COPPA need to be REPEALED, post haste.

    It's time for people to start living in the real world where you have to teach children to protect themselves very young.
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    Lerianis10
    12th Dec
  • But... but... but... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
    @Lerianis10

    It sad that we get many near sighted and ineffective laws because rules meant "to protect the children". Sadly, most of these do nothing of value since most child abductions are done by family. Most violence against children is perpetuated by someone the child knows well.

    And it is political suicide to vote against any legislation that might be considered "anti-child" protection. Even if it is the right thing to do.
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    Bruizer
    12th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    @Bruizer
    What laws are you talking about? Every child law made has been struck down because it included adults rights as well. Also you don't sound like a parent to me. Their is no law in the world that will prevent a child abduction or worse and our prisons are full of the ones who got caught.
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    Stan57
    12th Dec
  • Every child law made has been struck down??? Really???
    That is a statement of falsehood if I ever read one.

    Not a parent but I am an uncle and have been a kid. And yes, I think the 21 years old drinking age law is stupid. Kids can vote for the President at 18. We can send our kids off to kei protecting us at 18 but they can't choose to drink? Stupid law beyond belief. Still in effect.
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    Bruizer
    12th Dec
  • @Stan57
    Child Labor laws. Try to get those struck down and watch the howls ensue. And, no, there's nothing wrong with children working in a safe environment. It's actually good for them.
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    baggins_z
    13th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    @Lerianis10

    If its not made to protect childrens privicy then please tell everyone whats its really ment to do.
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    Stan57
    12th Dec
  • Give a false sense of security...
    @Stan57

    So mom and dad can leave their children unattended while being fully protected in their on-line activities.
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    Bruizer
    12th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    @Stan57 Make the voteing public think the goverment is takeing action.
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    kirogl
    13th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    @Lerianis10
    It is not COPPA. That is just spin.

    Face book does not have a challenge giving my daughter an account but Google does. It???s not COPPA. Google has turned into an arrogant and uncaring monolith. They showed their colors when creating Google + and locking out suspected offenders without any appeal process. If you were a reporter and purchased ink by the barrel you could get things fixed but if you were an ordinary person you were out of luck. This is just more of the same.
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    John238
    12th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    @John238

    Um, I thought Facebook currently requires users to be at least 13.

    Granted, Zucktard wants to allow premies to have accounts, but I don't believe he's gotten permission for that yet.
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    aep528
    13th Dec
  • RE: Dad to Google:
    @aep428 That explains why so many dogs have facebook accounts, doesn't it? Facebook doesn't even care if the "person" described by the account is even a person, why would they care about age?
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    Bucky24
    14th Dec

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