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Followup on my Incredible storage issues

By | June 14, 2010, 1:31pm PDT

I got a call from HTC this weekend asking if my storage problem on my HTC Incredible had been resolved. Wasn’t that nice of them? I told the very friendly caller that that I had resolved the problem, though through no action of either HTC or Verizon. I also noted that the problem hadn’t actually been resolved; as one reader pointed out, I just happened to find a workaround.

“Oh…” he responded.

Apparently, though, this memory and cache management issue has finally been escalated to HTC developers and we should see a hot fix pushed down to us “soon.” I’m not holding my breath, though, since Incredible users are supposed to get Android 2.2 “sometime ‘in the second half of this year.’”  It’s like waiting for the cable guy, only much, much worse.

Right now, of course, HTC is hustling to upgrade its Sense user interface for Android 2.2 compatibility and the Sense software stack is at the root of the storage problems cropping up for Incredible users, I’m not actually expecting the problem to be solved until the Incredible is updated to Froyo.  I might be wrong - Anyone from HTC, feel free to chime in on the talkbacks.

However, given the need to compete with the new iPhone, an updated Motorola Droid this summer, and a bevy of new consumer and enterprise-class Android phones, it would seem as though HTC should at least provide users with the ability to simply remove the offending applications.  However, without root access (which has not been achieved yet), HTC’s Mail, Messages, and Peep Twitter applications are on the phone to stay, requiring a fair amount of user intervention to ensure that they don’t consume storage with poorly managed and buggy cache.

Even a simply app placed in the Android marketplace that forces cache in HTC applications to be cleared on a regular basis would be welcome. Waiting for more and more users to encounter the memory issues as Incredibles fly off the shelves and more moderate data users fill up their phone memory registers is hardly a reasonable solution.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
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RE: Followup on my Incredible storage issues
JeffreyJDavis 20th Oct 2010
Froyo does NOT fix the HTC Stack leakage issues on the Incredible (at least not for me). Any other workarounds out there?
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Just MeeToo iPhones?
NonZealot 14th Jun 2010
@denisrs
1. The irony of you calling an HTC phone a MeeToo iPhone considering HTC had a full screen touch screen gesture enabled smartphone out before Apple did.

2. Too bad for you that there are pages after pages after pages after pages after pages after pages of iPhone issues right on Apple's support forums, and that doesn't include the posts that Apple has deleted because they didn't want to look bad!
@NonZealot: the subject
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@denisrs Wow, three videos demonstrating the exact same problem.

I got a question for everyone! How many of you try to use your phone while it is laying on a table or sofa without picking it up? Why would you?

At least I have the Moto Droid. It works that way, unlike the HTC. But if I had the HTC, I would have never noticed, since I always pick up the phone to use it.

Sheesh.
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@babyboomer57
I use my iphone that way.
In a meeting taking cryptic notes laying flat on a small non-skid sheet - typing merrily away......

BTW - did that on my Epix (WinMo 6.5) with a stylus....

and.....
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I eat breakfast
jaypeg 14th Jun 2010
@babyboomer57

I eat breakfast with my iPhone flat on the table, it gives me a hand to eat with while I surf
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A preview of coming distractions???
Userama 14th Jun 2010
A lot of people are predicting that Android will become the "Windows" of mobile--meaning, I suppose, that it will become a 90% Android/10% iOS world. And you KNOW how much fun sorting out hardware/software problems with Windows is, right? Microsoft: It's the hardware. Hardware vendor: It's the software. It's HTC. No, it's Android. Ah, but then Android is open, which means that thousands of software gurus will be all over a problem and have it fixed in no time--just like with your Incredible problem. Maybe getting the whole enchilada from a single source isn't all bad.
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@Userama
I would agree with you if that single source took responsibility for the problems it caused but Apple is not that company. Wireless not working? You aren't close enough. Battery overheating? That's Sony's fault. OS X hacked at PWN2OWN? That's Perl's fault. Graphics card not working? That's NVIDIA's fault. Hard drive not working? That's Seagate's fault. CPU not working? That's Intel's fault.

Actually, OS X is quite interesting because Apple actually wrote very little of what is in OS X. Perl, Apache, CUPS, webkit, the kernel, etc. were all written by others so Apple feels totally justified in offering zero support for many of the things that end up going wrong in OS X. At least Microsoft wrote all the bits that come with Windows.
Sony or PWN2OWN or NVIDIA or Seagate or Intel or any of the contributors to OS X don't replace it with another phone. Apple does.
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Now you are confused
NonZealot Updated - 14th Jun 2010
@Userama
Sony or PWN2OWN or NVIDIA or Seagate or Intel or any of the contributors to OS X don't replace it with another phone. Apple does.

Can you point out above where HTC has refused to fix any of these problems, stating that the cause is Google, or Sony, or NVidia? If you are talking about smartphones, the name stamped on the phone is the company that replaces your phone if it doesn't work, whether that name is Apple, or HTC, or Motorola. So buying Apple gives you 0 advantage.

If you are talking computers, you would only have a point if comparing to a DIY where ASUS probably won't be too keen to help you if your hard drive isn't working. Even there though, Apple has often been very unwilling to take responsibility for anything they can pawn off on the maker of the part that isn't working so you don't even really get an advantage buying your computer from Apple.

But since you seem to be very confused and are switching back and forth between computers and smartphones, I'll respond only to your last post which only concentrated on smartphones and in smartphones, there is no DIY and HTC / Motorola / Samsung / etc are a "single enchilada" when it comes to replacing your phone, just like Apple (although again, they put up less of a fuss than Apple does).
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I wish HTC would just make the Sense UI an option. Sure it has its benefits (ok, only one - the keyboard vs the stock Android keyboard) it should not be pushed on all the users. It should be an option that can be turned on and turned off.

To me it sounds like every time there is an upgrade to Android, HTC is held up by "making their Sense UI compatible" hmm.. Why don't you just get rid of the Sense UI then?!
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Life is too short to deal with three vendors involved with one device. You just made my argument for staying with the iPhone. Any issues with the device or hardware belong to Apple and they fix them thank you.
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RE: Followup on my Incredible storage issues
JeffreyJDavis 20th Oct 2010
Froyo on the Incredible does not fix the HTC Stack memory leakage (at least not for me)
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RE: Followup on my Incredible storage issues
JeffreyJDavis 20th Oct 2010
Froyo does NOT fix the HTC Stack leakage issues on the Incredible (at least not for me). Any other workarounds out there?

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