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Google tosses ball back into China's court

By | March 24, 2010, 8:01pm PDT

Instead of simply withdrawing from China, Google has decided to redirect traffic from google.cn to google.com.hk — their site hosted out of Hong Kong. This version of Google hosts unfiltered results — something that likely isn’t too popular with Chinese officials.

Google saw lots of push-back from the Chinese government in response to their threat of shutting down the service cold turkey. So what did Google do? They have decided to let China make the call — instead of shutting down the service themselves, it’s now going to be up to China to pull the plug.

To keep track of the status of Google in China, Google has launched a website that makes it easy to see how things are going down. China already had been blocking some Google services, so seeing x’s aren’t too surprising — but I’ll be keeping my eyes on this page to see what’s happening.

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Garett Rogers has always had a deep interest in computers and the Internet, which led him to a degree in Computer Information Systems. He is currently employed as a programmer for iQmetrix.

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Garett Rogers

Garett Rogers is employed as a programmer for iQmetrix, which specializes in retail management software for the wireless industry. He has no other formal associations with any software or hardware companies.

Biography

Garett Rogers

Garett Rogers has always had a deep interest in computers and the Internet, which led him to a degree in Computer Information Systems. He is currently employed as a programmer for iQmetrix, which specializes in retail management software designed specifically for the cellular and electronics industry.

Garett's journey into Google started with his employer asking him to "get a better rank on Google." Diving into search engine optimization sparked his curiosity for how things work and led him to create a blog dedicated to what interests him most--Google.

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  • Right move
    considering the situation, this was exactly the thing to do.
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    andreas.tanzer@...
    25th Mar 2010
  • RE: Google tosses ball back into China's court
    Would love to see MS and Yahoo take a similar approach, but so far spineless and complicit so far as I can tell. I may have issues with google, but this move was a point in their favor.

    gary
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    gdstark13
    25th Mar 2010
  • Yahoo Service
    Yahoo no longer owns themselves in the PRC, they sold off the branch as a brand to Alibaba Group to off set cost because they felt they were not able to make a profit while they had to deal with the PRC Government. So I can understand why Yahoo Chine wont take the same approach as Google their a China based company and they would be shut down. MS on the other hand is doing the next best thing they wont release the search records of users not in mainland China. The same thing Google was doing previous to. You have to remember that MS has a brand to protect and does not want to run the risk of the PRC setting up a blockade on MS products and services in retaliation. China has a lot of hardware providers for MS products and its much to much of a risk for MS to take.
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    bacin87@...
    25th Mar 2010
  • RE: Google tosses ball back into China's court
    Really....according the Google's website search is still
    available on mainland China?!?!? I thought I heard that
    google.com.hk was being blocked from the mainland.
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    lealvf
    25th Mar 2010
  • RE: Google tosses ball back into China's court
    Every company that operated their business in any country
    should obey, respect the local government's law. If you
    think I can start a web site at the US that promote and
    encourage anti... Jews, blacks or gays without being told
    to shut down, you must be dreaming....
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    Alexander Tang
    25th Mar 2010
  • Rights
    They shouldn't try to control the internet, much less a search engine. Since the internet is a global "service", let Cisco's Great Firewall of China do the work and leave Google alone. Censoring search results is a controlling move... education is power and the Chinese Communist gov't wants to retain power by controlling what their people can learn. In the information age, it's silly of them... they're going to have to adapt, it's only a matter of time.
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    flapinux
    25th Mar 2010
  • whose rights?
    censorship in china is not just political, as it is also commercial. the state blocks foreign rival internet products in favour of indigenous products. you see.

    the chinese firewall has the tendancy of firing at individual users with RST packets when political sensitive contents are encountered, terminating such connections for a long period of time, regardless whether one uses google or else.

    education is power, sure. but when certain education becomes detrimental to the regime, the regime knows only one thing.

    living inside china, i think i know.
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    rejected_goods
    25th Mar 2010
  • well said.
    Well said, living inside China, and outside, you can see what you are
    saying is very true. However many people globally, even with the aid
    of the education they receive from the internet, don't see the
    commercial intentions of either China or Google.

    I'd also like to say regarding the comment before this one, which
    states 'it's only a matter of time' before china 'has to move' this way...

    are you for real? Why is that so? Who made that rule?
    Have you ever heard of North Korea?????

    Honestly we are just little people making comments about things most
    of us, including myself, know very little about. But comments like that
    one really do prove that western ignorance and arrogance reigns
    supreme over thought and intelligence.

    It's no wonder China does not want their nation to be polluted with
    western rubbish.

    We don't, we complain out it all the time, we buy software to stop out
    children from accessing sites and showing search results according to
    our personal opinions, it's a feature built into windows for crying out
    loud.

    So China is doing exactly that for her children. If you think it is your
    right, no DUTY to do something about it, you better put your marching
    boots on, and start your long campaign of turning off net nanny's
    across the globe. STart with your next door neighbor, and your
    children's school computers.

    See how popular you will be then. Let's have a THINK before we go
    taking pot shots and making declarations that countries will be forced
    to do things the way we do.

    These are the basis of war, this is not a peaceful resolution
    whatsoever. Conflict and confrontation can only come from this.
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    Nunya Bizniss
    25th Mar 2010
  • i disagree
    cn. gov. indeed don't want western rubbish into China, which is their dirty past, like Tiananmen Square massacre or their never-stopping crackdown on dissidents, etc, etc AND any kind of free thinking. we "ignorant people who don't understand the situation" commenting on things like this is what they are most afraid of, among other things.

    mind you, they don't really care about ignorance or whatever. what they do care is saving their own ass in whatever means they deem necessary.

    what's more, it's one thing parents limit internet access of their children and a completely different situation for cn. gov. to build the "great firewall", again using tax-payers' money without their consent to limit their freedom. we are responsible adults, we can tell good from bad, and more importantly, tell good from evil. that's another thing CPC is afraid of.
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    geseeker
    25th Mar 2010
  • Certain Countries Must Block Free Speech Content
    Or else their citizens might rise up and demand freedom from oppressive governments or administrations.

    China
    Cuba
    Venezuela
    North Korea
    The White House ...
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    Too Old For IT
    25th Mar 2010
  • response to andrew's message then my opinion on google's move against china
    Andrew, think about your comment, then explain to everyone how the
    millions of sites that exist on the internet that are anti... anything,
    come from. If as you say, it is impossible for someone to do this in the
    US, or any other country, where then, are these sites published?
    Mars?
    I agree businesses must operate legally within their locality. However
    the Internet itself being Global, does have a certain Global legal social
    responsibility. This is not a brick and mortar store located in China.

    Also, Have a look at the many businesses operating out of Indonesia,
    owned by Chinese Nationals that are blatantly operating so far outside
    the Indonesia law that it may as well not exist. The treatment of their
    employees in inhumane and the wages are enough to keep them alive,
    barely. This is no exaggeration, it is open for anyone to see, as
    everyone does, yet nothing is done about it because of the
    repercussions that occur not only to those actively going against
    them, but the employees as well. This is where the anger is usually
    placed. And that is just one country as an example.

    What happened to people being able to use their own judgement of
    right or wrong, listen to their conscience and they beliefs, and follow
    the path they choose. If this path is not available for choice, then how
    will they ever be tested? Does this not go against the very fabric of
    traditional chinese belief?

    Do you really think that censoring the internet will fix any social
    problems? Absolutely not.

    As far as the actual topic itself and my thoughts on that....

    In theory I applaud Google's move to HK. However after further
    thought and consideration, practically I feel this will backfire and
    simply remove all services completely from Chinese Nationals as the
    Government will not tolerate the lack of censorship. Nor will they be
    ruled over by a corporation, therefore really they have no choice but to
    essentially rid mainland china of anything to do with google, that is
    not compliant with their censorship decisions.

    Do I personally agree with it? Of course not. Do I choose to live in a
    censored environment? Of course I do, and so does everyone reading
    this thread. It's the degree that is under question here.

    I believe this move by Google has nothing to do with ensuring
    mainland China receives /news/ services for example, as the news
    services that are provided by google are censored already and by that,
    I am referring to the media politics that exists regardless of belief.

    I live in a western democratic society yet I am fully aware that any
    news service readily available is in the most part, mills and boon
    worthy.

    I know that I have no choice but to go to news channels located in the
    east, sometimes in areas which are labelled as terrorist propaganda,
    yet are proven as time goes by to actually speak the truth. To say this
    move is driven by Google's caring about the people blah blah blah is
    completely ridiculous given that any corporate manager worth a grain
    of salt would pre empt that this move would end badly for the people
    in china. This is purely justification for flexing their muscles against
    the Chinese Government to continue to profit from Chinese Nationals.
    This is about money. Nothing more.

    I see this move by google purely as a 'stamp your foot' exercise, and a
    rather dangerous and costly one at that. Google you are now entering
    into the political arena, you must reassess what outcome you are
    hoping for, and then implement best strategy for that.

    This move was only ever going to antagonize the situation, and
    possibly put the employees of Google who work in China in more than
    an uncomfortable position.

    I see absolutely no point to this move, in fact when you view it from
    the 'other side of the fence' and by this I mean from an Eastern
    Culture perception, it simply reeks of foolish western arrogance. It
    makes a fool out of Google as there is no move left than to agree to
    Chinese ruling to move back into Chinese Mainland. And even then, it
    is not over.
    China will never tolerate interference to a degree such as this from
    outside influence, much less a company.

    What on earth were you guys thinking??????

    Ps.. btw I am on western decent, i do not have any eastern relatives by
    blood or marriage, i am a westerner through and through. i believe is
    respecting cultures, I don't believe in forcing one culture onto another
    regardless of who, where or when.
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    Nunya Bizniss
    25th Mar 2010
  • it's different
    The fundamental difference is that if you promote anti-Jews-or-blacks-or-etc, you offend the general public. In China, if you promote anti-CPC stuff, you only offend the government, since people there don't have election as western countries do.
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    geseeker
    25th Mar 2010
  • RE: Google tosses ball back into China's court
    My niece & nephew are on a High School Band Trip to play several concerts in China; 120 students, parents & teachers in all. To document this great cultural and musical trip, they set up a blog on blogspot, a picasa site for pics, & a YOUTUBE channel. As of last night, all three were blocked preventing the band from posting about their arrival and trip so far. So much for it being about censorship, it's all about controlling their market. China's actions are vindictive and affecting a lot of good innocent people, including visitors who are spending a lot to visit and learn about their country.
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    mittelm@...
    25th Mar 2010
  • RE: Google tosses ball back into China's court
    I use Google a lot here in China, it's my favourite search engine. There is plenty of technical stuff that only Google is good at returning. I know plenty of other people who are serious about technology use google too. Can't imagine what would happen if cn. gov. decided to ban google, since it will only hinder our creativity.
    Anyway, google's move made the issue of censorship into light, and I think that's the right thing to do & totally worth it.
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    geseeker
    25th Mar 2010

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