Google/Motorola offer H.264 patent settlement; Microsoft chuckles
Summary: Motorola's apparent concessions at the bargaining table weren't enough to get Microsoft to budge, either on licensing terms for H.264 or on the injunction they won against Motorla phones.
Patent suits and related injunctions and import bans are running rampant among mobile device OEMs and software vendors. Google's Motorola unit is at the heart of several and, in particular, is embroiled in a suit and countersuit with Microsoft over Motorola's H.264 video standard and ActiveSync, respectively. Yesterday, Motorola made a new settlement offer to Microsoft, modifying its demands over the video codec and seeking to prevent an injunction from going into effect next month that would prevent Android phones manufactured by Motorola from entering the country.
Needless to say, Microsoft rejected the settlement. As Businessweek reported, Microsoft "asked if the offer was serious."
At issue is the use of the H.264 video standard (around which Motorola, and therefore Google, holds several patents) in PCs and XBox game consoles. This same issue resulted in an injunction in Germany early last month that would have prevented the sale of Windows 7 and XBox game consoles in the country if a US court had not blocked it. Motorola maintains that Microsoft included the patents in the products without permission or appropriate licensing and was originally asking for nearly $4 billion annually in royalties.
Yesterday's proposal is still considered far above market value, both by Microsoft and by some analysts (note that the referenced analyst has ties to both Microsoft and Oracle, but the article itself is useful in its descriptions of the various patents involved). At the core of Microsoft's argument is the nature of Motorola's intellectual property, which are considered "Standard Essential Patents" (SEP). In other words, because a widely used standard depends on the patents, Motorola has an obligation to charge a "fair and reasonable" price for their use. $4 billion a year, apparently, was not fair or reasonable. Neither was yesterday's proposal, according to the company. The revised proposal requested 2.25% of the retail price of all XBox consoles sold (this part of the proposed settled didn't change) and $0.50 a piece for all computers running Windows 7 (down from 2.25% of the retail price, or $12.50/computer assuming an average price of $500/machine).
In exchange for this concession, Motorola offered to pay Microsoft $0.33 per Android phone to end the dispute over ActiveSync. Businessweek quoted Horacio Gutierrez, Microsoft’s deputy general counsel for intellectual property, as saying,
While we welcome any good faith settlement effort, it’s hard to apply that label to a demand that Microsoft pay royalties to Google far in excess of market rates, that refuses to license all the Microsoft patents infringed by Motorola."
Indeed.
So are Google/Motorola's demands unfair? Or is Microsoft refusing to bargain in good faith as Google suggests? It has been pointed out that MPEG-LA receives far lower royalty payments for its related patent pool, but Google's patent pool for H.264 may actually be more valuable given the nature of its standards essential patents. Microsoft, not surprisingly, sees it differently, believing that Motorola is unfairly leveraging its patents that are so critical to the popular video standard. Motorola, for its part, maintains that 2.25% is its going rate for all licensing deals.
In fact, the answer is quite unclear. The only thing that is clear is that this is far more likely to be settled by a judge than at the bargaining table.
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Ha
That would be necessary
Motorola requires a slap in the face.
Necessary?
As for "popular", that is a word that needs to be used with care here: it implies some sort of ability to choose, and, when one is purchasing a game console (for example), the video system in use is not exactly something one has a say over (or even knows, for the vast majority of buyers). One would normally select on games-availability!
So you're okay with Microsit infringing on other's
Right. That's your version in your world
BS all the way on Motorola's part
You keep using that acronym, I don't think it means what you think it means
WTF is a Fear Uncertainty Doubt patent?
F.U.D. is a Microsoft pateted business tactic.
dream on!
M$ is required to license it's patent cheaply because it's a monopoly, not google.
They should remove the monopoly sticker
Feed the Squirrel
Nope
"If I were Microsoft I would go after this. I would go after the argument that a phone is a PC as is a tablet. if you look at those devices as PCs, Microsoft is far from a monopoly."
But PC is a own sub-class for personal computers, like Mac's, Tablets, Smartphones etc are.
Technically there has not been PC for decade, when ISA card was removed and PCI replaced it and now personal computers what are sold as PC (legacy from PC-clone manufacturers like Dell, HP etc) are far from PC architecture.
When IBM invented and designed the PC to conquer personal computer markets, no one knew how big favor that company did for whole world with such design and plan of "PC to every desk". Same time no one at IBM knew that what Microsoft would gain by allowing it to maintain rights to PC-DOS and sell it to other personal computer manufacturers under own MS-DOS brand.
Microsoft was judged from abusing a monopoly position at PC markets. Not from having a monopoly at personal computer markets. As Microsoft didn't have monopoly at personal computer market, only at PC market. And problem was, MS-DOS (aka Windows) compatibility was needed from operating system to be a PC and because Microsoft didn't manufacture a own PC but had OEM's to manufacture PC's.
"Ha" is right...
Don't forget - EU ordered MS to offer the information necessary for competing networking software to interact fully with Windows desktops and servers. Offer doesn't mean free, but in Samba case that worked out to be $10k and NO non-disclosure. Imagine ActiveSync falls under this order.
LOL!
Yep
You were on the right track about farmers, but not exactly correct. The farmers get a wee bit more, but the supermarket does not come close to what you said. The middle men get the majority of the spoils without the benefit of putting out any labor.
Really?
He got compensation from MSFT and ORCL. Is this your definition of independent?
Proof of that statement, please.
Follow the links and you'll see
@wolfn
The only people who think a royalty rate that is more than 25x the going rate is reasonable are people who have no idea what they're talking about.
EU will mop floor with Goog/Moto over FRAND
exactly