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Christopher Dawson, Sam Diaz and Matt Weinberger

Google's WiFi snooping: How bad will this get?

By | June 12, 2010, 10:35am PDT

Summary: This could be the biggest of Google’s string of privacy-related screwups. It won’t be a Google-killer, but it will make their enterprise products a tougher sell.

Well, to make a long story short, pretty bad.  So many lawsuits are piling up over Google’s collection of unencrypted personal WiFi data that the company is now asking that they be combined into one big lawsuit.  And while they continue to claim that they just “made a mistake,” it’s increasingly clear that they have been intentionally collecting a whole lot of data in those StreetView cars.

All the anti-Google privacy advocates out there are probably thinking, “Well it’s about time, Dawson - you’ve finally come to your senses about Google!” I hate to dash any hopes against the rocks, but I haven’t stopped Googling things.  I’m still creating Google Docs left and right.  I still love my Android phone and leave the location features turned on because the personalized local search rocks.  Google Maps still gets me where I’m going, even if Google will know forever where I go.

However, in all of these cases, I knowingly and implicitly consent to Google collecting all sorts of information on me and ultimately monetizing that information.  I know that a lot of users don’t fully understand what they authorize Google to do when they use their services, but I do and I’m comfortable with it because the services are useful enough to me to trade a degree of privacy. When Google collected information from wireless routers in people’s homes, being too ignorant, naive, or stupid to encrypt their traffic doesn’t count as consent.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.

Talkback Most Recent of 53 Talkback(s)

  • I don't suppose
    I TOLD YOU SO! is in order? I hope this hits them where it hurts - Cloud storage and ChromeOS two of the biggest jokes in computing today. If they are collecting user data from streetview cars, I wonder where and when the line is drawn? I somehow doubt they'll stop there. If they are already crawling gmail for keywords to sell you ads, then I doubt they are above crawling your cloud data as well.

    Google is all about collecting user data. Their main business is ad space, NOT software development. It is for this reason alone I consider any and all Google software spyware, and is treated as such.

    I'm glad governments are waking up to GOOG's actions. Their actions as of late have been quite disconcerning and serious.
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    Cylon Centurion
    12th Jun 2010
  • Addenum:
    @NStalnecker

    "How can I really address potential adopters of Google Apps concerned about entrusting student data (in the case of Edu Apps) or corporate data on the Premiere Apps side when Google flaunts privacy like this?"

    Don't. Personally, I think if you direct someone to willingly throw their security away like that, you are liable.

    I hope Schmidt get what's coming to him, and I hope People look down on Google with more suspicion and disgust than they do Enron or even Microsoft. Their actions make me disgusted, and should not be encouraged in the least bit.


    Do no evil. Nice Trojan horse Google. You had people falling for it, but not anymore.
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    Cylon Centurion
    12th Jun 2010
  • Google most likely wanted to list "FREE" unsecured wifi
    google probably wanted to map unsecured wifi to tell people where they can get wifi internet for "FREE". no need to war-drive. google will tell you where there are unsecured "FREE" wifi access points.

    and Google could have been using that gslite sniffer to gather proof that individual wifi access points are indeed unsecured and freely accessible when google puts the list of them in their google search engine for "FREE" wifi search. they probably figured if whoever set up the wifi at those places did not secured them in the first place, then the chances are great they would stay unsecured forever. and then you will have google-listed "FREE" wifi access points for all to use. take whatever is technically freely-accessible out there and put it in the all-knowing all-seeking google search engine.

    i love google but this is not beyond what google would do. google will of course never admit to this. but you know this is something that someone at google wanted to make a list of.
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    i-want-gizmos
    12th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google's WiFi snooping: How bad will this get?
    How about all the contacts on your contacts list that you sync to Google's cloud, do they also "knowingly and implicitly consent to Google collecting all sorts of information on" them too?

    Buzz, buzz, buzz.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    hill60
    12th Jun 2010
  • Makes ya wonder
    Makes ya wonder just how many other places they have collected data without permission. Sometimes the cost of free is just too high.
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    Stan57
    12th Jun 2010
  • need I mention...
    Google was funded by Sequoia Capital, the (OPENLY admitted) CIA 'investment firm.'

    It is part of the "national security" apparatus. Use at your own peril, and that of any progeny you may have, if you want them to inherit a free, open and honest world.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    pgit
    14th Jun 2010
  • Re: need I mention...
    @pgit What makes you think I am going to believe you? For all I know you are a CIA Agent bent on destroying me!!!! Excuse me while I adjust my aluminum foil hat...
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    carlsonk@...
    14th Jun 2010
  • don't believe me, look it up for yourself
    @carlsonk@...

    Kleiner Perkins = Sequoia, both of which were all the venture capital behind google. That is public info. These funds have a clear agenda:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=arSqdOLQVK9g

    BTW facebook was also funded by K-P, and a former K-P (or Sequoia, can't recall which atm) exec is on the facebook board.

    TIA gone out in the open, because people have proved stupid enough to spew personal info voluntarily.

    I forgive you for being ignorant. But I do not forgive willful stupidity. You didn't bother looking for anything about K-P, Sequoia and the fact that they are openly CIA money, meaning off budget $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ stolen from YOU to develop a command and control grid to control YOU like cattle.

    Go here (link below) and refresh until you see the graphic "cool, or connected?" The graphic provides a bazillion links to all the proof you need.

    Unless you wish to be WILLFULLY ignorant. Then there is no help for you.

    http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
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    pgit
    16th Jun 2010
  • Where's the harm?
    If you have an unencrypted WiFI network that's the same as standing on a street corner and shouting. You have no expectation of privacy under those circumstances, what you say is public.

    Even if it wasn't, how much data could Google acquire by driving down a street?, at most they would have a minute of traffic. That's hardly likely to contain anything that's of interest to Google or anyone else.

    As for a list of open WiFI networks, that's useless information because network status changes constantly. It's also information that's available to anyone standing on the street. If a malicious person want's to access open networks all they have to do is drive around with a smart phone or a laptop, they aren't going to use Google to fine out where those networks are.
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    bjrosen@...
    14th Jun 2010
  • Where is the harm?
    @bjrosen@...

    Google was using packet sniffers to collect data off of unsecured wireless networks. Intentionally. Why would they even need to do that in the first place? Why were they capturing wireless traffic?

    There is alot of harm going on there.
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    Cylon Centurion
    14th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google's WiFi snooping: How bad will this get?
    @NStalnecker

    You need only some very basic understanding of component technology used for software development. Sometimes components are badly documented, and when you use them you may not be aware of all what they do.

    Besides of that - without questionning your hate campaign - it was Google themselves who, once the error was identified, informed the public. There was no smoking gun.
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    oliver@...
    14th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google's WiFi snooping: How bad will this get?
    @NStalnecker

    "Besides of that - without questionning your hate campaign - it was Google themselves who, once the error was identified, informed the public. There was no smoking gun."

    It was found out only after the German Government inquired.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Cylon Centurion
    15th Jun 2010
  • Hold on!, Hold on!
    @bjrosen@...
    Sorry but the laws in most foreign countries and all in the United States of America would disagree with you. The law says if someone leaves their doors unlocked and you go into their home and take some or all of their property, you committed theft.You can make all the excuses you want but off to jail you go, you go. The same holds true for Google. They committed theft and they should be punished.
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    windozefreak
    14th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google's WiFi snooping: How bad will this get?
    @windozefreak
    DAs and police try all the time to argue that no warrant is needed for snooping on unencrypted wireless transmission because "it is broadcast and there is no assumption of privacy." Sometimes, the courts agree, and sometimes they don't. That a lot more relevant example than a front door.
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    daengbo
    14th Jun 2010
  • RE: Google's WiFi snooping: How bad will this get?
    @windozefreak

    you mean they went into people's homes?

    I haven't heard of that before.
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    oliver@...
    14th Jun 2010

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