ie8 fix
Click Here

Googling Google

Christopher Dawson

IBM and Oracle vs. Android? Good luck with that

By | October 11, 2010, 8:51pm PDT

Summary: Google’s going to win this one. They’ll part with some cash, but in the end, they’ll win.

This summer, Oracle sued Google over Android’s use of Java in what I thought was a dubious leveraging of Sun intellectual property to get a piece of the mobile pie. We’ve heard lots of rumblings and posturing on both sides, but it seems pretty likely that the Oracle/Android dust-up could drag on for a while. Monday, however, IBM shook things up a bit by throwing their support behind Oracle’s version of Java.

While IBM has not backed Oracle’s lawsuit against Google’s use of Harmony (an Apache open source Java implementation used as the underpinnings of Google’s Android operating system), it has effectively orphaned Android as a Harmony-based platform. IBM was formerly a major player in Harmony development and struggled for years with first Sun and then Oracle to have it certified for Java compatibility and fully legitimize its use on IBM systems (and any others). However, as the Register described IBM’s shift from Harmony to Oracle’s OpenJDK Java implementation, Big Blue appears to have been backed into a corner:

The thing that seems to have brought IBM into Oracle’s camp was a need to have Java progress. IBM is deeply invested in the success of Java, while Oracle’s roadmap for JDK 7 and 8 had zero backing outside Oracle and Sun. And, with no Java Specification Requests (JSRs) yet in place, it seemed JSR 7 and 8 had little chance of being delivered on time.

It seems IBM blinked.

The New York Times put it a bit more diplomatically, but the message is the same:

But I.B.M. announced on Monday that after Oracle extended an olive branch, Big Blue decided to set aside past hostilities from the Sun days. I.B.M. said it would shift its Java development efforts from the initiative it sponsored, called Apache Harmony, to the one begun in 2006 by Sun, called OpenJDK.

“This should remove some of the uncertainty about the future of Java,” said Rod Smith, vice president for emerging technologies at I.B.M.

So where does this leave Google, Android, and its Harmony components? Android has become quite entrenched in the smartphone and embedded markets and is gaining strong developer support. Google is also a major development house using Oracle’s OpenJDK. A major shift in codebase could badly hurt Android momentum and the ongoing conflict with Oracle can damage Google’s considerable development efforts outside Android with OpenJDK, as well.

Some analysts believe (myself included) that Google is going to press ahead with their own Java development using what they largely view as open source tools to keep on being Google and the shepherd of Android. Others believe that there is going to be a serious licensing deal that frees Google to develop using Java technologies as it sees fit and further lines Oracle’s pockets. Still others believe that Google will drop Harmony as well and join Oracle and IBM on the OpenJDK bandwagon, abandoning any Harmony-related code in Android.

If Android were still a fledgling platform on the Nexus One and a couple of T-Mobile phones, the latter would certainly be the easiest and cleanest choice legally. With Android as the mobile juggernaut that it is, however, and Google’s seemingly endless cash reserves, I think a settlement is far more likely, and a big Google middle finger to Oracle more likely still. Google may very well end up parting ways with some of its cash and even some Android income, but the uninterrupted development of Android is far too critical for them to make the same leap that IBM announced.

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Topics

Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

Disclosure

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.
15
Comments

Join the conversation!

Just In

fdfdd
jywhy888 8th Mar
Wholesale Pin Wholesale Calendar http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Badge---Pin/ Keyboard
Reflective Safety Vest Wholesale Pom Poms http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Ashtray/ Watch
Wholesale Thermometer Poncho Raincoat http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Coaster/ Vocal Concert Products
Writing Instrument Solar Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Manicure-Set/ Water Bottle
Wholesale Scarf Wholesale Raincoat http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Watch/ Computer Accessories
Industrial Supplies Wholesale Cap http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Voice-Recorder/ Business Gift
Wholesale Bedding Baby Products Suppliers http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Cooler/ Cooler
Cleaner Products Wedding Favors http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Wedding-Favors/ Bedding
Solar Products Lady Beauty Care http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Mouse-Pad/ Mat
Wholesale Pom Poms Lighting Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Magnifier/ Mp3
Personal Safety Products Wholesale Playing Card http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/ Glove
Arts Crafts Promotional Items http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Safety/ Apron
Inflatable Products Wholesale Keychain http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Scarf/ iPod iPhone
Advertising Material Wholesale Camera http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Arts-Crafts/ Electroluminescent
China Wholesale Wholesale Clothing http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Electroluminescent/ Advertising Material
Recorder Pen Promotional Gifts http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Cleaner/ Coaster
Wholesale Flag Wholesale Binoculars http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Business-Gift/ China Wholesale
Wholesale Watch Wholesale Poncho http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Lighter/ Cup
Wholesale Wallet Writing Instrument http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/ Baby Products Suppliers
Audio Video Equipment Coca Cola Gifts http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Sport-Items/ Coin Bank
Crystal Gifts Lunch Box http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-CD-Holder/ Sport Items
Wholesale T-Shirts Name Card Holder http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Money-Clip/ Electrical Gifts
Computer Accessories Wholesale Ashtray http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Muslim-Products/ Silicone Products
Wholesale Cooler Wholesale Fan http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Tableware/ Personal Safety Products
Wholesale Mouse Wholesale Puzzle http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Fan/ Scissors
Lighting Products Wholesale Tellurion http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Socks/ Giveaway Material
Photo Frame Pet Supplies http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Hardware-Tools/ Compass
Water Bottle Medicine Instrument http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Calendar/ Stapler
Wholesale Shoe Wholesale lable http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Computer-Keyboard/ China Wholesale
Wholesale Clap Hands Wholesale USB Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Cup/ Banner
Wholesale Hardware Tools Wholesale Umbrella http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Towel/ Clothing
Wholesale Keyboard Business Gift http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-World-Cup/ Tag
Wholesale Glass Book Light http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Bedding/ Patient Care Products
Promotional Gifts Digital Photo Frame http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Outdoor---Leisure/ Outdoor Leisure Products
Wholesale Raincoat Wholesale Glass http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Mobile-Phone/ Waterproof Case
Stuffed Animals Audio Video Equipment http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Pure-Cotton-Compressed/ Kitchenware
Coca Cola Gifts Wholesale Belt http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Coca-Cola-Gifts/ Mouse
Heating Products Wholesale Cooler http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Automotive-Products/ Carabiner
Beauty Equipment Wholesale Toys http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Christmas-Gifts/ Socks
0 Votes
+ -
two dinosaurs uniting to take on a top predator lol
h t t p : / / 0 8 4 5 . c o m / I n r


I tide fashion
@kdsandeep@... you right that dinosaurs uniting a top predator its look very funny. book report writing | Admission essay writing | thesis writing
0 Votes
+ -
fdfdd
jywhy888 8th Mar
Wholesale Pin Wholesale Calendar http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Badge---Pin/ Keyboard
Reflective Safety Vest Wholesale Pom Poms http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Ashtray/ Watch
Wholesale Thermometer Poncho Raincoat http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Coaster/ Vocal Concert Products
Writing Instrument Solar Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Manicure-Set/ Water Bottle
Wholesale Scarf Wholesale Raincoat http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Watch/ Computer Accessories
Industrial Supplies Wholesale Cap http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Voice-Recorder/ Business Gift
Wholesale Bedding Baby Products Suppliers http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Cooler/ Cooler
Cleaner Products Wedding Favors http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Wedding-Favors/ Bedding
Solar Products Lady Beauty Care http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Mouse-Pad/ Mat
Wholesale Pom Poms Lighting Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Magnifier/ Mp3
Personal Safety Products Wholesale Playing Card http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/ Glove
Arts Crafts Promotional Items http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Safety/ Apron
Inflatable Products Wholesale Keychain http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Scarf/ iPod iPhone
Advertising Material Wholesale Camera http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Arts-Crafts/ Electroluminescent
China Wholesale Wholesale Clothing http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Electroluminescent/ Advertising Material
Recorder Pen Promotional Gifts http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Cleaner/ Coaster
Wholesale Flag Wholesale Binoculars http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Business-Gift/ China Wholesale
Wholesale Watch Wholesale Poncho http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Lighter/ Cup
Wholesale Wallet Writing Instrument http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/ Baby Products Suppliers
Audio Video Equipment Coca Cola Gifts http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Sport-Items/ Coin Bank
Crystal Gifts Lunch Box http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-CD-Holder/ Sport Items
Wholesale T-Shirts Name Card Holder http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Money-Clip/ Electrical Gifts
Computer Accessories Wholesale Ashtray http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Muslim-Products/ Silicone Products
Wholesale Cooler Wholesale Fan http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Tableware/ Personal Safety Products
Wholesale Mouse Wholesale Puzzle http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Fan/ Scissors
Lighting Products Wholesale Tellurion http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Socks/ Giveaway Material
Photo Frame Pet Supplies http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Hardware-Tools/ Compass
Water Bottle Medicine Instrument http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Calendar/ Stapler
Wholesale Shoe Wholesale lable http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Computer-Keyboard/ China Wholesale
Wholesale Clap Hands Wholesale USB Products http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Cup/ Banner
Wholesale Hardware Tools Wholesale Umbrella http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Towel/ Clothing
Wholesale Keyboard Business Gift http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-World-Cup/ Tag
Wholesale Glass Book Light http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Bedding/ Patient Care Products
Promotional Gifts Digital Photo Frame http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Outdoor---Leisure/ Outdoor Leisure Products
Wholesale Raincoat Wholesale Glass http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Mobile-Phone/ Waterproof Case
Stuffed Animals Audio Video Equipment http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Pure-Cotton-Compressed/ Kitchenware
Coca Cola Gifts Wholesale Belt http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Coca-Cola-Gifts/ Mouse
Heating Products Wholesale Cooler http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Automotive-Products/ Carabiner
Beauty Equipment Wholesale Toys http://www.chinawholesaletown.com/wholesale-Christmas-Gifts/ Socks
0 Votes
+ -
Christopher, if Android does violate patents then it does violate patents no matter how you feel about it.
Google's response simply called a spade a spade or a hypocrite a hypocrite. They also.... (since nobody noticed) totally denied Android is in any way related to Java. The only way they are even remotely related is in being both runtime virtual machine environments. Other than that (since it's Open Source) it's easy to verify that there is absolutely no java byte code whatsoever in Android.

It is a clean room developed VM runtime not so unlike what Microsoft did with .net after Sun spanked them on their Java VM clone. Android's Dalvik VM is not even a clone of Java!

The only think Google did was use Harmony Libraries in a tool for Java developers to transcribed or transform them into DEX coded programs to run in Dalvik VM. All Google has to do is do like Apple. Require that all Applications be written in native DEX coded applications. They won't do that, but it would prove how independent Dalvik is of Java.

First off contrary to Java, Dalvik is Registry based same as .NET and it is capable of running multiple instances simultaneously unlike Java as well. So it's not anymore related to Java than .NET is!!!
0 Votes
+ -
android income?
banned from zdnet 12th Oct 2010
there is none. android is a very costly way for google to protect their adware and spyware business in the mobil realm. they don't make any money from it (like most of their hardware partners), to the contrary, they probably already invested a few hundred millions with no business model for them and their hardware partners in sight. the ongoing legal threats by oracle, apple and microsoft won't make the situation better. ever wondered why wp7 has so many hardware partners with such an unproven new platform? the handset makers are hedging their android commitment. they are scared by the legal ramifications it seems to bring with it.
@banned from zdnet

What are you smoking dude? Google's hardware partners are saving millions in licensing costs they would otherwise pay for WinMo or something like that. That is pure profit for them. Google is also making millions through app store and advertising.

Vista Phone 7 have hardware partners? Looks like you are banned from reality.
@gnufreex
wp7 has had hardware partners for quite some time... http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=10097 Not to mention that 10 phones were just announced with posted release dates.
0 Votes
+ -
@banned from zdnet

Nice fantasy you've got there. Reality of the success of Android is already well known in the market, since everyone wants a piece of Android, indicating overwhelming success. Apple has pioneered the smartphone idea, but copying in the software industry is known as competition, and was in place long before software could be patented in the USA in 1998.
0 Votes
+ -
Just to give credit where it's due
x I'm tc Updated - 12th Oct 2010
@Banned from ZDnet

It was Handspring (now the Palm part of HP) with the Treo that really started the modern smartphone revolution, and there were Symbian devices, and even the Nokia N9000 before that...

But Apple did somehow convince everyone that they invented the smartphone. Although I would argue that, if one wants to be an absolute stickler for details, the iPhone *isn't* a smartphone at all, but just a really, really smart featurephone.
0 Votes
+ -
facts
banned from zdnet 12th Oct 2010
@DonRupertBitByte
there is no "reality of android's success well known in the market", what a load of bs. android has a good ride because it is free (at least it was until oracle, apple and microsoft started to sue motorola, htc and google).

just look at the numbers of the android phone makers for the horrible state the android community is in: all numbers are q2 2010, in $
motorola mobile division: operating loss of 109 million
lg mobile division: loss of 101.2 million
sony ericsson: a tiny profit of 15,5 million
samsung mobile division: a profit of 533 million (most of it through cheap feature phones)
htc: a profit of 268 million

so combined the leading android makers had a profit of 600 million in q2 2010. (for reference apple had a an estimated iphone profit of around 2 bn in q2 2010). google probably invested a few hundred millions already in android and made a little money on mobile search, they will never be able to recoup their investment however. the mobile search market is still in its infancy and will be tiny for years to come.
0 Votes
+ -
iphone
banned from zdnet 12th Oct 2010
@jdakula
no one ever said apple invented the smartphone, clearly not apple. they re-invented it however with an all capacitive touchscreen and app centric approach with an emphasis on ui and usability. before the iphone, you had to use a stylus and go through very complicated menus to use them. the iphone changed all that. since then almost any modern smartphone is a copy of the iphone concept. have a look here:
http://www.marco.org/980434663
0 Votes
+ -
RE: IBM and Oracle vs. Android? Good luck with that
x I'm tc Updated - 12th Oct 2010
@banned from zdnet

Pioneered (v): to have taken part in the beginnings of; initiated

Apple was not a smartphone pioneer. They were late to the game. The iPhone looks VERY much like a Treo, without a keyboard.

That said, they executed beautifully and reaped a huge reward. No question they innovated, but theirs was an evolution of an existing idea that centered around refining an experience in ways not yet done. Thus, they added real value to, but they did not pioneer in, the smartphone space.

That's my only point.
@banned from zdnet

200,000 Android devices activated a day, I call that success, and the fastest growing platform...

Join the conversation!

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]
ie8 fix

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources
ie8 fix
ie8 fix