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The problem with Google Apps Engine

By | April 11, 2008, 12:01pm PDT

If you are considering taking advantage of the new Google App Engine service from Google, I suggest you read this article first. There are some hidden facts that you should be aware of before making your decision to adopt this platform.

First, I’d like to thank Google for providing this service — it really is a great idea, and can be very useful for people or companies making web applications from scratch without needing to worry about infrastructure. It’s also a very smart move on Google’s part — host the world’s applications, make money off their success, even if they aren’t the owners of successful applications. Popular applications will likely exceed “free” limits, giving Google the green light to start charging money.

Another advantage for Google is the ease of acquiring companies if they are already using Google’s infrastructure — simply make a deposit into their bank account and slap the Google logo on the interface.

But everything that sounds too good to be true, usually is — right? In this case, I have to agree. When you choose to use Google App Engine, there are a couple of things you need to think long and hard about. If you go through this list and still think it will work for you, then it probably will. Go for it, it really is a great service after everything is said and done. It’s very well thought out, and as it promises, it will scale with the growth of your business.

Things you need to think about:

  • You are putting your application in Google’s hands
    Think about that for a minute. You are at the mercy of Google — if disaster strikes and Google one day disappears, you are done too. Or, more realistically, if the Google App Engine goes down for an hour, you are also down for an hour — and you will have no idea what happened. Even if you try and get an answer from someone at Google, you won’t. Just like Google Apps, it will be impossible to explain things to your end users.

    What if you are violating some terms of service (which likely won’t, but theoretically could happen to people without their knowing)? You thought making your company’s revenue dependent on AdSense was risky — what if your whole application was banned because of something you didn’t know about? Like I said, this scenario isn’t likely to happen — but it’s true that it could.

  • Once you are in, you are really in
    Using Google’s infrastructure is very tempting. But any smart company should have some sort of plan for the future. What if you realized that you didn’t want to host your application on Google App Engine anymore? Good luck, almost everything you are given access to is proprietary — that means all your data is locked into BigTable in a format that isn’t like a traditional relational database. It’s also very tempting to use the API’s Google provides to interface with things like Google accounts.

    On top of that, you will be using the “webapp” framework that Google built that makes writing Python applications real nice — but good luck porting that to another language or putting it on a machine of your own.

  • It’s free right?
    Not only are you locked in, you are completely at the mercy of Google’s future pricing strategy for the Google App Engine. It’s true that it’s likely to be cheaper than anything else comparable, but are you willing to take that risk? Right now it’s free, so everyone and their dog wants to at least give it a try — but what if your application actually really takes off? You will one day have to pay for your success, or shut down your service.
  • Privacy should not be taken lightly
    Google has a very strong privacy policy — and personally I trust them. However, I’m trusting them with my personal information — you will be trusting them with all of your company’s data. These are two completely different things. If you have a low trust tolerance, you may not want to risk putting everything that belongs to your company behind Google’s doors. That said, I personally would still feel comfortable putting company data on their infrastructure — simply because I know it’s proven to be secure, scalable and robust over the last several years with their own services.

Like I said, I am really glad Google has put this service out there. It’s a great tool people can and should use if they are comfortable with the risks. If you have any additional things you would like to point out for people who might be considering using Google App Engine, or if you want to debunk anything I have said in this article, please feel free to post them in the Talk Back.

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Garett Rogers has always had a deep interest in computers and the Internet, which led him to a degree in Computer Information Systems. He is currently employed as a programmer for iQmetrix.

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Garett Rogers is employed as a programmer for iQmetrix, which specializes in retail management software for the wireless industry. He has no other formal associations with any software or hardware companies.

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Garett Rogers

Garett Rogers has always had a deep interest in computers and the Internet, which led him to a degree in Computer Information Systems. He is currently employed as a programmer for iQmetrix, which specializes in retail management software designed specifically for the cellular and electronics industry.

Garett's journey into Google started with his employer asking him to "get a better rank on Google." Diving into search engine optimization sparked his curiosity for how things work and led him to create a blog dedicated to what interests him most--Google.

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They drove me away
PeteCal 2 days ago
I wanted to try google/apps for a community corporation that I'm the secretary of. I tried the "take a tour' or whatever they call it. I couldn't sign up. Either it said my captcha was wrong or I was "not permitted". No reason, just not permitted.

So I tried the "Free test". The first thing I needed was a url. Like I'm going to give them my community corporation url? If not, I had to buy one for $10. Was this a free trial?

I am getting to hate google. I seriously doubt the "Don't be evil" stuff.

Pete
Google has yet to abuse its customers, yet MS has been doing this for years. Stifling innovation and always putting marketing noise well above doing anything creative.

You are comfortable putting your computing future in Microsoft?s hands?
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Are you for real?
GuidingLight 11th Apr 2008
You fr0th at the mouth about Microsoft all the time, yet you gloss over the obvious in the article. .

Have you ever seen the Google behind the web page? Have they confided in you on what happens to your data when you can not see it anymore?

At least with Microsoft, the data is allways in your control.

I am starting to think you are related to DonnieBoy...
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Yeah I'm for real
fr0thy2 11th Apr 2008
Google aren't desperately trying to keep hold of YOUR computer. They're offering software as a service, not forcing their way into your computers. Big difference in mind set there.

MS is piling on the anti-Google do you trust them stuff to slow down the rate of market loss until they can get something working. MS's biggest problem is they have a long history of abuse, and have taken business tactics lower than many thought they could go.

The question is not "Do you trust Google", it is more "Why would anyone continue to use Microsoft" ...

I think you're related to No_Ax and Loverock wink
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LOOK EVERYONE!#*($@! HE MENTIONS ME!@#*@)(#
Loverock Davidson 11th Apr 2008
Again! This guy is so in love with me he responds to every one of my posts and even talks about me when I don't post happy 3
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You're a dork
marksashton 11th Apr 2008
You say "Google aren't desperately trying to keep hold of YOUR computer."

Uh...dude...at least with Microsoft you HAVE a computer. You decide what goes on it...Micrososft software or not. You decide what happens to your data. With Google there's one choice: put it on GOOGLE'S computer.
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But who owns your data?
odubtaig 13th Apr 2008
The greatest barrier to people moving away from MS Office is the data format, MS effectively owns your data. Why jump from the frying pan into the fire?

At least with Google, we have the benefit of prior experience to know not to trust a major company with a closed format with our data because the moment you do that it's not your data, it's theirs and you're 100% at their mercy.
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Ignorance indeed
tonymcs@... 13th Apr 2008
To confuse format with owning the data is bad enough, but my data is my data and if you could imagine a Save As drop down in your non MS universe, then you'd realise I can save my Office data in whatever format I like. However, since I'm using the most sophisticated and professional office system on thw planet, why am I going to need to change?

You also missed the proprietary part in Google, their APIs are their own and not yours.

Seriously do you actually know what data is? I have no trouble moving my data to a variety of different systems - code on the other hand is hard and trusting my code and hard work to another Google beta is fine for the dilettante and hobbyist but is extremely brave (stupid) for companies.
If it were that simple, no-one would bother wasting any time reverse-engineering the Office file formats, including all the macros.

Here's a tip; a Word document is not just words, it's layout and often embedded content (Excel spreadsheet data, PowerPoint slides etc.) as well as macros if you're using it in a business context.

So, unless you can tell me exactly which Save As option will export all that without a hitch, I think you need to get lost.

I have no trouble moving my data to a variety of different systems

Evidently your data is uncomplex enough to be captured in .rtf, probably without frames or even a basic Table of Contents. I can only imagine that a) you've spent way too much money on software that you don't need for your extremely basic needs and b) you've never actually tried exporting Office files to anything else.

It's like thinking that exporting something from SolidWorks as a .dxf is going to retain all the information that the native file has.

Seriously do you actually know what data is?

Apparently much better than you.
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Ummm...Not
terryweiss@... 14th Apr 2008
Sorry, but you don't get it all. Your argument rests on the idea that BigTable is not a proprietary format. It is and you make the same sacrifice no matter what app infrastructure you go with. It is just FUD and a straw man argument. The question is not about Office format anyway. An app infrastructre stores structured data that is designed for the application. Line of business apps do not store data in Office formats. At leats with Oracle or SQL Server, I have a variety of DB interfaces to recover and export data. BigTable provides very few options and the data is never under your control.

Frankly, your argument only make sense if you apply them to Google.
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or you think I'm someone else.

Here's my original point:

"At least with Google, we have the benefit of prior experience to know not to trust a major company with a closed format with our data because the moment you do that it's not your data, it's theirs and you're 100% at their mercy."

MS Office was just a frame of reference. Not my fault someone tried to make like page layout or macros weren't important data. If you could claim that a plain-text copy and paste were sufficient to get data away from Office, I'm sure the same argument could be applied to BigTable.

So like I said before, at least with Google, we're more aware of what happens when you entrust your data to a proprietary format, so maybe some of us will avoid that trap.
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frOthy2
B.Beck 11th Apr 2008
This article is not about MS, yet you still have to get in your anti-MS sentiments. I wonder if you can supply any useful input on any subject without spewing your religion.
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See above post
fr0thy2 11th Apr 2008
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The answer to your question is no.
No_Ax_to_Grind 12th Apr 2008
His religion demands it of him. Sort of like the holy rollers that knock on your door offering salvation as long as you adopt thier religion. sigh...
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think of it as "balance" just like MicroShaft's favorite Faux Noize, Beck!
doesn't mean they won't EVER. After all, they already knuckled under to China's insistence on access to "dissident accounts" in order to get their search engine in China - which makes it hard for me to trust their "We're not Evil" mantra entirely. Also, whatever other bad things you can say about M$ (and they are legion), at least your Office documents mainly live on your hard drive rather than "in the cloud" - and that alone makes me nervous about Goggle Docs.
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RE: The problem with Google Apps Engine
jurquhart 11th Apr 2008
I wouldn't get too comfortable that Google can do you no wrong. I wrote about this earlier , but its clear that there is no option but Google once you opt in...and there is not guarantee that they aren't above using that to exploit revenue opportunities. (Perhaps auctioning off available capacity to the highest bidder, for instance, ala AdWords?)

Also, they have been known to push the boundaries with employees from time to time.
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RE: The problem with Google Apps Engine
barryhunter 11th Apr 2008
> Once you are in, you are really in

Download the SDK, and you get your own copy of the webapp framework, it all appears to be Apache Licenced.

I admit no python expert, but it seems to me with the SDK you could setup a hosting enviroment for you app that runs elsewhere. Sure you wouldnt have Googles Infeststructure in particular BigTable, but the SDK emulates it using files, sure that adaptor could be made to work with a different backend, something like couchDB.

So it would be a bit of work to get going, but I dont see any reason why other hosting providers couldnt setup 'App Engine compatible' hosting.
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The framework(s) for the Google App Engine are open source.

In any case, think of it this way. You always have the two options... host with a hosting provider, or setup your own servers and host it yourself. Either way, you are putting your livelihood in the hands of another company. If you use a hosting provider, and they vanish or go down, you're stuck. If you manage things yourself and use a co-location provider, you are at their mercy. If you are hosting your own stuff in your own building, you are at the mercy of whichever company provides your T1/T3 line(s).

Sure, hosting with Google puts even MORE control in the hands of a provider (i.e., the connection AND the servers AND the configuration AND the electricity, etc...) However, by not doing so would also mean you would be spending more money and time (time=money).

I trust Google to be my co-location facility. I also trust Google to know what they are doing with machines. I also trust that Google isn't going to vanish overnight. (By the way, I once dealt with a co-location company that was in my local area... they went bankrupt almost instantly and their site was going to be shut down, all without notification to their customers. It was only by chance that we discovered this and were able to retrieve our servers from their facility. It was also by chance that we were already building a hosting solution in-house and were just about ready for it all. If neither of these lucky scenarios had been the case, we would have been screwed.)

Google, on the other hand, has many centers throughout the world... and hosted sites are replicated through this vast network. I doubt I am going to find a "sorry, we went bankrupt" notice on Google's front door one way without hearing about it anywhere else ahead of time.

Finally, Google has already talked about supporting PHP and a number of other more common languages. So, perhaps with a little bit of patience, it will seem more worth it.

FYI, some people make a living building new popular sites for the sole purpose of being acquired. For many, getting acquired by Google is the best outcome. So, if hosting on their servers in programming languages that they prefer would make a start-up a more likely target for acquisition by Google, then this is a great thing.
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Can you BACK-UP Google Apps Engine?
lalogos 14th Apr 2008
This seems to be a consideration. It does not seem so.

Don't get me wrong. Cloud-computing is here to stay and I welcome it and look forward to working in it.

That said, current development platforms use a sandbox approach: the entire code base and dB backend reside on your own box, and you replicate it to production. Without having inspected the Apps Engine myself, I speak in ignorance. However, from what I've read, there is no way to replicate the datastore on your own development environment, is there? Without being able to pick up your entire code base and database content and move it to any other environment, Google owns you. The same is not true in non-cloud configurations.
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Don't trust Google
jorjitop 11th Apr 2008
Information is Power. Power corrupts. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.

Google is building the biggest database about more people than any organisation in the world. You may think they are "good" now. But, I would never trust anyone or any organisation with that much information.
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... in the article and see what kind of reception this Apps Engine would receive.

(duck--it's hitting the fan!!!!)
3. Actually it must be first:

There a law - any out of control power will be sooner or later abused.

It means if Google will get the market - it will be no different than Microsoft.

Can you be sure that your private data won't get into wrong hands or will be secretly stole by Google as it is secretly practiced by Microsoft now? (Try to beat this statement with logic, at least. By the way - Apple is not much better than Microsoft because Apple is a non-advertised part of Microsoft).

Thus - you cannot trust any BIG company if it can do whatever it wants.

So, in order to keep data on e.g. Google, a client needs a guarantee that:

a) His data is not accessible without his permission. It means Google is not in charge of your data. (Please pay attention to the words).

b) If Google will die - servers with data - won't. It means even if Google will merge with e.g. Microsoft, servers with data - won't follow. Is it legal? It can be done legally NOW if you will find the right way to setup.

Which one? It's similar to the legal meaning of Trust. But this is not actual Trust, but something else. Why? If you'll try to figure out who is the trusted third party - you'll know.

Yes, I could of say exactly what is this, but for those who has logic - this is not a problem; for those who do not have logic - they won't use it anyway.

Tips:

In order to solve this task correctly, you have to think really big.

Google doesn't have to sacrifice any profit by installing this system and in fact they will increase their business because people can trust the most business treasure - data, to Google.

Plus Google receives sort of immortality (actual Google can die, but ...).

Now the question is - can you put all the entries together to figure out the "X"?
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Zealotry will out...
wolf_z 13th Apr 2008
"By the way - Apple is not much better than Microsoft because Apple is a non-advertised part of Microsoft"

Ok, this is a Linux troll. happy I'm sure Steve Jobs would be very surprized to hear that Apple is owned by Microsoft... (laughing)

Thanks for revealing your bias in such a straightforward way. At least now we know to ignore you.
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

Steve Jobs: ?Windows is going to be dominant for at least the next 10 years." I said something like, "Is it going to be the rest of our lives?" He said, "Depends on how long you live."
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584-5531859.html

The only way suffering from the Grand Delusion Steve Jobs could say it if he IS a part of Microsoft.

Add the below to the above:

Rivals attack Vista as illegal under EU rules
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6153671.html

?The European Commission found in 2004 that Microsoft used its dominance to muscle out RealNetworks and other makers of audio and video streaming software and that it made its desktop Windows deliberately incompatible with rivals' server software.

"Microsoft has clearly chosen to ignore the fundamental principles of the Commission's March 2004 decision," said Simon Awde, chairman of the European Committee for Interoperable Systems (ECIS).

The group of complainants includes IBM, Nokia, Sun Microsystems, Adobe, Corel, Oracle, RealNetworks, Red Hat, Linspire and Opera.?

Did you notice that Apple is not in the list?


Also watch:
http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070530/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-together-part-1-of-7/

and read:
Jobs: "We?ve kept our marriage secret for over a decade". Guess what is the reason
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=5214
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So much for choice
marksashton 11th Apr 2008
Let's see...Google gives me a choice of running my app on Google or...well, nothing. But hey, they'll do no evil, right? Even if they don't, there's something appealing about having the choice of running my app somewhere else or even myself. Google doesn't offer that option. The choice with Google is hosted by Google or nothing. That's your choice.
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it's the hardware
Voodoo187 13th Apr 2008
of course they're only letting you run it on google's stuff. they're not providing any value in their software offerings that you can't get anywhere else, besides maybe integrated google account stuff. the real power comes in the hardware infrastructure they provide, and yes, it can only run on google. if you don't need the scalability or can provide it on your own, don't get it from them.

any idea what it would cost you in hardware to get something as powerful as what google provides for free? or how much it would cost to scale up to some of the higher priced offerings? that's why you go with google.
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Trust Google???
No_Ax_to_Grind 12th Apr 2008
Trust Google as a company, maybe. Trust every employee at Google that can access your information? Not a chance. Trust that it can never be hacked? NO WAY!
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Spot on.
peter_erskine@... 13th Apr 2008
Security-wise, anything can be hacked. Putting information on a networked computer should be seen as publishing it, even if that was NOT the intention. Secure computing is an illusion.
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RE: The problem with Google Apps Engine
atul abraham 12th Apr 2008
its called the semantic web, 1 ) you dont share what you cant afford to lose or have stolen; besides if you are serious about the goog engine one had better get oneself / one??s company a real data center with digital back - ups, 2 ) there are many way to make goog engines progamming framework - python - interact with other programming languages _ googisnt asking you to switch to python they are only saying that for their engine python is what they offer and i think with good reason !
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RE: The problem with Google Apps Engine
whisperycat 13th Apr 2008
The problem with Google for every dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft evangelist is that now even Gartner have gone public with an assertion I and others have been posting on ZDnet for months - the Microsoft dinosaur is now threshing in the tar pit, they are too big, too slow, too entrenched in a revenue capturing model wholly reliant on vendor lock-in, monopolistic control of distribution channels (although when PC world start selling pre-loaded Linux boxes, Microsoft's death will be assured) and good old fashioned breaking the law then being able to meet any fiscal repurcussions out of an obscenely bloated war-chest.

Let's talk facts. The year is 2008. On February 29th this year, MIcrosoft Server 2008 barfed because it couldn't handle a leap year! That's right, in the year 2008 Microsoft's server flagship product COULD NOT HANDLE THE EXTRA DAY IN FEBRUARY.

Now if that is the standard by which computing is measured, Microsoft are more than thrashing in the tar pit, they're in their death throes.

Still, as long as they can buy "standardisation" for their crippled formats (OOXML) and the crowd of parasitic dependants is loud and numerous, their thrashing will go on for a little while longer ...
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Poor whisperycat
wolf_z 13th Apr 2008
You do understand the leap day bug occured in a CTP right? A *beta*? happy

If you're going to FUD at least use something that appears reasponable...
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Humiliation for the wolf
whisperycat 13th Apr 2008
Beta. Right. Yeah. You shills - you're hilarious. You dig your own holes, then fall into them ...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/04/sql_server_hit_by_leap_year_bug/

"It's not just Excel and Exchange that ignore the Gregorian calendar. The Reg has also confirmed that SQL Server 2008, Windows Small Business Server, and Windows Mobile are ignorant as well.

In the wake of our story about Exchange 2007 failing to realize that February 29 is a real day, one astute Reg reader pointed out that Microsoft has no excuse for allowing its software to behave this way. "The rules of the Gregorian calendar aren't really that difficult to grasp," said someone called MacroRodent. "They are not trade secrets. And they have been available for centuries."
The SDK provides a local version of the App Engine for you to run. You can test it before uploading it, or just run it local forever, it's up to you.

The actual apps you write with this system can be incredibly small due to the fact they're written in Python, and yet very functional.

If you write your apps in a way that they are easily portable, then I don't see why this should tie you into microsoft at all.

In fact that's crazy talk. Fearmongering I think.
This is an entirely different prospect to implementing in .net, because .net stuff is usually written in c# and use the .net libraries, both of which are not well implemented elsewhere.
Google don't own Python, and although they provide a class library (that you can download and use for free from the SDK), you could make a shim class easily enoough for any other database.
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Freudian slip?
odubtaig 15th Apr 2008
Shouldn't that be "I don't see why this should tie you into Google at all."?

I know they're the kings of vendor lock-in but... wink
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oops
stevey_d 25th Apr 2008
It was a freudian slip.
My point is, your interface shims (Mediators in Design Patterns) can isolate your business process from the database/session classes, and in that way you are not tied to google. For backup, make your own backup class to download the data to something simple, like XML, and files for blobs.
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UUMMM google this:

Some Canadian organizations are banning Google's Web applications because the Patriot Act allows the U.S. government to view personal data held by U.S. organizations, which violates Canada's privacy laws. When Lakehead University in Thunder Bay, Ontario, implemented some of Google's tools, it sparked a backlash among professors, who cannot transmit private data over the system.
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UUUMMMM - Google this:

Some Canadian organizations are banning Google's Web applications because the Patriot Act allows the U.S. government to view personal data held by U.S. organizations, which violates Canada's privacy laws. When Lakehead University in Thunder Bay, Ontario, implemented some of Google's tools, it sparked a backlash among professors, who cannot transmit private data over the system.
___________

So besides bored Google geeks browsing your data the government had full access!
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RE: you don't date the gApps Engine ...
healyourchurchwebsite 14th Apr 2008
What this article simple points out is:

You don't date the Google Apps Engine ...

... you marry it.

So unless you're willing to commit in a fashion similar to wedded bliss, the Google Applications Engine route may not be for you.
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RE: The problem with Google Apps Engine
atari8bit@... 14th Apr 2008
Finally, the word secure comes into play.

Risks are part of the game, I'd rather believe Google is not lying about the privacy they give you.

I have 6gb on Gmail. I can stick anything I want there and have access to it. 10mb restriction though. But would I even try on MSN or Hotmail? Could I?

How do you promote your application? Do you charge $200? No. Google gives it away to get feedback and improve their stuff. And they do listen, believe it or not.

Take GoogleSketch6.0. It's free also and you get 8 hrs usage and all they want is your comments on what you thought of it. Maybe that's a better way of testing than M$ does.
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I agree, there is too much at stake and these big corporates are getting way too big.
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RE: The problem with Google Apps Engine
mwenyekiti 13th Jan 2010
With the Chinese hacking into Google, is your information really safe??
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They drove me away
PeteCal 2 days ago
I wanted to try google/apps for a community corporation that I'm the secretary of. I tried the "take a tour' or whatever they call it. I couldn't sign up. Either it said my captcha was wrong or I was "not permitted". No reason, just not permitted.

So I tried the "Free test". The first thing I needed was a url. Like I'm going to give them my community corporation url? If not, I had to buy one for $10. Was this a free trial?

I am getting to hate google. I seriously doubt the "Don't be evil" stuff.

Pete

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