Anonymity exposed, part deux: Google, ISPs ordered to expose academic dissidents

Summary: Canada's York University now has the identities of five or six faculty members who anonymously questioned the academic credentials of a new dean. A Canadian court ordered Google and two ISPs to turn over the information. Does ISP data retention undercut academic freedom?

Here we go again: A Canadian court has ordered Google and Canada's two largest ISPS to reveal the identity of anonymous emailers, The National Post reports.

This time it's not about who's the skankiest supermodel in NYC, but accusations that president of Canada's York University engaged in academic fraud. That's a more serious matter who's dryhumping who in a late-night club scene. After York president Mamdouh Shoukri announced the hiring of Martin Singer as the dean of the school's new Faculty of Liberal Arts and Professional Studies - calling him a "renowned scholar of Chinese history" and "such a strong scholar and administrator" - a message from a Gmail account went out from a group called York Faculty Concerned About the Future of York University.

The message accused Shoukri of "perpetrating an outrageous fraud" and added:

Lying about scholarly credentials is the gravest offence.

The universiity went to court, suing Google for the IP adresses associated with the Gmail account. Google turned over that information, identifying Bell Canada and Rogers Communications as the ISPs. Last month they sued the ISPs for the customer information, a motion the ISPs didn't oppose.

Justice George R. Strathy of Ontario Superior Court released his reasons for granting the orders, saying it was a reasonable balance between protecting freedom of speech and protection from libel.

David Noble, an outspoken professor at York, denounced the moves as "a fishing expedition."

"I think they are trying to create a chill among faculty. They are spending enormous sums, for what? I think they are just desperate to find out who is involved." [The other professors are] afraid of reprisals.

I was cautiouslly supportive of the judge's move in the supermodel case, since (a) there was some argument that there was actual damage, (b) the public interest in the speech was modest and (c) the court appeared to consider the free speech right versus the right to litigate. In this case, though, the public interest is quite substantial: the case involves not just the right to speak, but academic freedoom, fear of retaliation and the quality of a leading academic institution. The university has a much larger bully pulpit than the Concerned Faculty: they can issue press releases, do media interviews, release the CV of the professor. This is a debate properly held in the public square, not the courtroom. The university lawyer, Will McDowell, sais this: "The right of free speech is not unlimited. What was said is quite damaging to the institution." One wonders if he meant the right to speak anonymously is not unlmited. Because the statement on its face seems to say the professors in question had no right to speak in a way that might damage the institution, regardless of whether the criticism has merit.

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  • Freedom of anonimity

    Well done to the judge, everyone has the freedom of speech, where freedom of anonimity doesn't exist in any constitution.

    If people are going to make damaging remarks, make personal attacks on people and harm others and calim it as freedom of speech, then they should do so publicly. If you haven't got the courage to say something to someone's face, then don't say it at all.
    accidentalitmanager
    • BS Alert

      "If people are going to make damaging remarks, make personal attacks on people and harm others and claim (sp) it as freedom of speech, then they should do so publicly."

      To those foolish sheep (such as accidentalitmanager) who think likewise, I refer you to the following link:

      http://www.magic-city-news.com/Editor_s_Desk_34/A_Climate_of_Fear_34683468.shtml

      Those who fail to learn and apply the lessons from history deserve to have all they own, including their liberty, taken from them.
      Dr_Zinj
      • Sheep don't have fingers.

        When posting anything anonymously on the web you are not truely anonymous. You can be traced and like the thread started had stated there is nothing in the constitution to protect an anonymous person.

        The person/people responsible for the message had violated the law and went beyond their freedom of speech rights. Tracking them down is why we have law enforcement officials otherwise we just have anarchy.
        Erroneous
        • Huh

          In the U.S.A. a lot of Revelutionary newspapers and pamphlets were issued anonymously because the British would punish anyone for daring to speak out against their rule.

          Freedom isn't free if you get punished for speaking out.

          Even in the worst regimes in history, you could speak out against the rulers, you just had to understand you would be hung, drawn and quartered for it.

          Today, as civilised societies, you just get sued until you have nothing left of your assets and then may be go to jail on top of it. If you do manage to win the lawsuits, you still manage to lose a lot of money, you just get to avoid jail time.

          Anonymous speech is free speech. Unanonymous speech that doesn't carry punitive damages and punishment is also free speech.

          But just try to speak out in disagreement with a school or hospital and see how fast you lose your job and end up on the wrong side of legal court.
          mr1972
      • Good article

        The problem is Dr. Zinj, that it [i]appears[/i] that so many institutions, governmental agencies, etc., are trying to instill this "climate of fear" in order to quell dissent. Look at how internet access is either throttled or even denied in so many countries around the world. Unfortunately, I don't think the situation will improve anytime soon as those in power will say and do almost anything to remain in power. We have seen that in how many politicians have made multi-decade long careers out of what is [b]supposed[/b] to be a part-time job!
        JTF243@...
    • Hey, accidentalitmanager...

      I noticed your post was anonymous. How about
      putting your money where your mouth is and
      expressing your opinions (which you have the
      right to express) attached to your name.

      What? You say you have valid privacy concerns
      and fear of reprisal but you think it is good
      for society that you should be able to express
      your opinions? Well, so does whoever made the
      posts you are commenting on.
      davagain
      • Touche !

        And while he's at it, maybe he should put out his address and phone number. Let the stalkers, loonies and psychopaths find out where he lives.
        Wintel BSOD
      • re: Hey, accidentalitmanager...

        I can't speak for him, but you'll find I don't use a real address. But it has nothing to do with the reasons you state. It's because of all the spam such information generates that I choose to not use my real address. If someone wants to talk to me, they can do it where I made the posts since there can be no other valid reason to talk to/toward me.

        Besides, a "name" discloses nothing. But an e-mail address does.
        twaynesdomain-22354355019875063839220739305988
    • re: Freedom of anonimity

      I agree with you. A big problem with allowing such anonymity, beyond the non-free-speech issue, is that there are too many fanatatics, idiots, ne'er do wells and downright bottom feeding bass turds who will do their utmost to trash anything they don't find personally useful and even some that are.
      twaynesdomain-22354355019875063839220739305988
      • Isn't it nice that everybody out there has an opinion?

        Hmmm? ;)
        Wintel BSOD
  • Slippery Slope

    Here we go again. It never ends. Especially given that these people are anonymous how can these remarks be considered "damaging" or "desparaging" ? People can intelligently decipher whether someone making valid statements or spewing garbage. If we are going to do this then perhaps we need to go after the media and verify that the statements they make are accurate. They are never wrong right ?

    Just another excuse to try and shut people up. If something fraudulent is going on you are to not report it !

    If someone is putting up something anonymous they should expect a certain level of privacy. What if someone was on a public or library computer ? Or a work computer from a large corporation ? What a waste of time and resources.
    pizzaman7
    • media IS held accountable

      that's why they have to check sources and at least
      TRY to get it right, unless it has to do with WMDs
      john-whorfin
    • What if...

      Pizzaman wrote: What if someone was on a public or
      library computer? Or a work computer from a large
      corporation?

      These days, there is a good chance the identity of
      a poster in these settings would have been
      captured on a surveillance camera.
      davagain
    • Di dyou really think that through?

      "People can intelligently decipher whether someone making valid statements or spewing garbage"

      If that were true America would be in fewer wars and have a much more coherent political debate amongst its citizenry.

      GIGO
      bernalillo
  • RE: Anonymity exposed, part deux: Google, ISPs ordered to expose academic dissidents

    If you are going to attack an idiot with ready access to lawyers, there ARE ways to insure anonymity. Using your own ISP and your own email address is just dumb.

    Of course, they might just ignore that sort of email.
    rws0205@...
  • Ham Handed Over Reaction

    I don't know Canadian laws, but this case seems to be used to chill free speech. I can see that there needs to be a balance between free speech and libel/slander; the libel in the article seems to be an opinion delivered anonymously.

    I fail to see the harm to the university; but I do see that the president and dean of the university being the focus of a charge. The legal pursuit was to find out who made the charge and not show that the charge is false.

    If the charge is true, then the courts have aided the wrong people and helped quash independant thinking and speech.

    For the most part, I take a rumor via anonymous email as just that, a rumor. This is why I think that the reaction was ham handed.
    sboverie
    • Over reaction? Definately!

      The university in question [i]MAY[/i] have had their reputation damaged [b][i]IF[/i][/b] the allegation prove to be true and the Board of Regents who hired this administrator hadn't checked his credentials adequately. There is the "damaged reputation" but the onus probably lies with the Regents.
      JTF243@...
  • stand by what you say or shut up

    If you do not have what it takes to stand by your
    remarks you should not make them. Freedom of
    speech is a LONG way from freedom from reprisals.
    john-whorfin
    • If there will be reprisals, you can't speak freely

      No one can guarantee there will be no reprisals
      in this context, although I should note that
      the court said the identities were only to be
      used for litigation. In this case, anonymous
      speech is the only way to speak freely.
      Therefore anonymous speech should be protected
      UNLESS the speech is unprotected (fighting
      words or truly obscene) or weakly protected.

      In this case, its so clearly political speech
      of import to the community at large that the
      release of the names is troubling.
      rkoman@...
      • And there's the red herrings

        [i]UNLESS the speech is unprotected (fighting
        words or truly obscene) or weakly protected.[/i]

        And who decides that? The speech police? The morally correct? The politically correct?

        I'm certainly not ready to cede more freedom to a bunch of self-appointed twits.
        Wintel BSOD