Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

Summary: The Large Hadron Collider -- designed to replicate conditions in the universe immediately after the Big Bang and due to be switched on in 10 days -- is being challenged by a last-minute lawsuit at the European Court for Human Rights.Opponents of the Collider are afraid its ability to smash atoms at such high speeds that it will generate temperatures of one trillion degrees centigrade will create a mini-black hole that could "tear the earth apart," reports the Telegraph.

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The Large Hadron Collider -- designed to replicate conditions in the universe immediately after the Big Bang and due to be switched on in 10 days -- is being challenged by a last-minute lawsuit at the European Court for Human Rights.

Opponents of the Collider are afraid its ability to smash atoms at such high speeds that it will generate temperatures of one trillion degrees centigrade will create a mini-black hole that could "tear the earth apart," reports the Telegraph.

Opponents of the project had hoped to obtain an injunction from the European Court of Human Rights that would block the collider from being turned on at all, but the court rejected the application on Friday morning. However, the court will rule on allegations that the experiment violates the right to life under the European Convention of Human Rights.

Here's the case against the collider by Professor Otto Rössler, a German chemist at the Eberhard Karls University of Tübingen:

CERN itself has admitted that mini black holes could be created when the particles collide, but they don't consider this a risk.

My own calculations have shown that it is quite plausible that these little black holes survive and will grow exponentially and eat the planet from the inside. I have been calling for CERN to hold a safety conference to prove my conclusions wrong but they have not been willing.

We submitted this application to the European Court of Human Rights as we do not believe the scientists at CERN are taking all the precautions they should be in order to protect human life."

CERN conducted a safety review and concluded there is "little chance" the collider could create black holes that could endanger the earth.

Meanwhile, environmentalists in Hawaii have filed suit in federal court in the U.S., seeking to delay the switch-flip. The case was to be heard Tuesday.

CERN's defense, from spokesman James Gillies:

The Large Hadron Collider will not be producing anything that does not already happen routinely in nature due to cosmic rays. If they were dangerous we would know about it already. We are now concentrating on firing the first beams around the collider and then on fine tuning it until we can get collisions, when the science will start.

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  • Here's what's going to happen:

    Here's what's going to happen:

    Someone will turn on a switch and we'll learn something
    new. What's going to happen in the LHC happens
    [i]trillions[/i] upon [i]trillions[/i] of times every day. If the
    world hasn't torn itself apart in 6 billion years of cosmic
    rays colliding with the atmosphere creating micro
    singularities, it's extremely unlikely it's going to blow up in
    10 days when they turn the LHC on.

    They should gather everyone up who's signed on the
    lawsuit and label THEM dangers to the planet.
    olePigeon
  • RE: Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

    I salute these brave indviduals for standing up and doing whats right. They seem to be the only ones who care about preserving life on Earth. Countless distinguished scientists have agreed that this machine poses GREAT risk to the planet and has the ability to destroy it. Hopefully one of these lawsuits will prevail prior to September 12th and we will be able to continue our lives and give our children the chance to live theirs.

    Stop this machine before its too late! Write your congressman, contact the press, tell your friends. If you care about the future of this planet we all must unite and do something!
    cphil19
    • "Countless distinguised scientists"?

      Right.
      seanferd
  • RE: Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

    this is a serious thing
    they can't destroy the world for just a few studies.we have to stop the large Hadron collider at any cost or we all are gonna die ****ing.
    ladies-man-123
    • you guys serious?

      you seriously think this thing is going to create a
      black hole that will swallow the earth? really?
      rkoman9
      • Serious?

        Serious? Am I serious when I say I care about the lives of my children and don't want to see the world end? Yes....I am serious. I mean, its been pretty much determined by many brilliant scientists that theres a HUGE chance this thing will end humanity's existence. Black hole or stranglet.....chances are one will show up. I suggest you leave your ignorance behind and read some reports by Dr. Walter Wagner and Dr. Otto R?ssler that reinforces the HUGE safety risks these machine presents.

        Spread the word, do NOT let this thing start in 10 days if you care at all about the survival of our species!
        cphil19
        • You do undersand...

          ...this guy is a *CHEMIST*, right? Not a physicist. And these Chicken-little wannabes have yet to explain how the countless billions of (far more) energetic cosmic ray collisions with Earth have failed to create a black hole that has swallowed the Earth.

          I think we *would* have noticed if a black hole had ended life on Earth, don't you?

          But A++ for tongue-in-cheekness. :)
          wolf_z
        • Serious fear

          I get the fear part. I just don't see the rational
          analysis of the scientific basis for the fear. I'm
          smelling Y2K doomsday thinking here. As far as reading
          reports, why don't you read CERN's own analysis. They
          after all are the physicists.
          rkoman9
          • Ever notice that the "leading experts" ...

            ... quoted are never Nobel Laureates - or even physicists whose anmes are familiar to anyone. Now one name familiar to many of us us is Stephen Hawking. He demonstrated some years ago that these "micro-singularities" (if they are created in such an environment) will rapidly 'evaporate'.
            M Wagner
          • LOL

            Take this with a grain of humor as I have the utmost respect for Stephen Hawking... "What that quack! How the hell would he know what he is talking about!?"
            Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA.
          • Best part about the whole thing

            Is that quantum singularities ("micro black holes") are different animals than stellar black holes. And the people who are so fearful of this stuff probably refused to even believe in stellar black holes until someone found a way to scare them with the "micro black holes".

            Gotta go. I'm off to get more folks to sign my petition for banning dihydrogen monoxide (it's in everything these days!) as well as my petition for banning neutrinos.
            seanferd
        • this is unbelievable

          when will the selfishness end?? i'm sick to death of hearing about scientists desperate to find the latest in things that don't really matter anymore!! ok, so if this thing went ok and we all didnt blow into smitherines, then yes, its going to be interesting for thos who have a basic understanding of anything this machine is to do with, but come on! GET A GRIP!! i am a mother to an 11 month old baby who is disabled, he has a condition called tuberous sclerosis and there is no known cure. and the reason? because the people trying to fund one lack money and resources, he also suffers from a rare and serious form of epilepsy which can kill babies and young children, aswel there is no cure for this!! when will people realise that its a better idea to invest money into curing diseases, disabilitys and conditions that are killing children?!?! instead of having this great need to know everything and anything about something which happened billions of years ago!!
          hanna-maria
  • RE: Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

    yeah, but we cant't do this we should request UN for this.
    ladies-man-123
  • RE: Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

    "good bye, and thanks for all the fish"

    - Hadron Collider, misquoting D.Adams
    jeyost9
    • RE: Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

      Don't forget to take your towel with you.

      ;-)
      jim.rice.us
  • RE: Bid to stop Large Hadron Collider fails but EU, US suits move forward

    CERN's safety arguments are credibly refuted by the famous Dr. Otto Rossler, Physics PHD Dr. Rainer Plaga and others.

    Dr. Plaga proposes safety mitigation measures including proceeding slowly. CERN announced plans to proceed quickly.

    LHCFacts.org
    JTankers
    • Rossler is a biochemist, not a physicist ...

      ... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_R%C3%B6ssler. He is basing his conjecture on HIS OWN understanding the Einsteins's Theory of Realtivity. Never mind that no one has yet reconciled the Theory of Relativity with the Standard Model of particle physics which governs the particles studied by the LHC. Never mind that his own theories have been discredited through actual measurements confirming the predictions of Relativity. Never mind that one theory (General Relativity) is about gravity and the VERY LARGE why the other theory (Standard Model) is about quantum mechanics and deals with the VERY SMALL.
      M Wagner
      • Bingo!

        No continuity between quantum singularity and gravitational black holes.
        seanferd
  • serious questions

    How could a "mini" black hole be stable and self-sustaining?

    For a black hole to exist do you not need the mass of a large star to provide enough gravity to collapse normal matter into a singularity?

    How could colliding a few sub-atomic hadrons provide enough gravity to spontaneously degenerate the entire mass of the Earth?
    nominalis
    • maybe they should seek guidance from Vatican

      If some cardinal blesses the reactor and is chasing away the evil from the coils, the experiments can be conducted safely. ;)
      Linux Geek