Breaking news: House Science & Technology Committee reintroduces science bill, with porn ban intact

By | May 19, 2010, 5:22am PDT

Summary: I want to point out that your voices are being heard. Washington politicos are reading your comments.

On Monday, I wrote a story about political chess moves called Republicans nuke science bill by forcing porn down Dem throats. The short form is that when Republicans inserted an anti-porn addendum (along with a bunch of unpalatable changes) into a science bill, the Democrats were forced to rework the bill.

ZDNet readers posted more than 50 thoughtful comments about the article. OK, a few were a little out there, but most were very interesting and thought-provoking. It was a good discussion, the sort I’m proud to be able to facilitate.

After the article ran, I was contacted by Alex Dery Snider, Communications Director for the House Committee on Science and Technology. She wanted you to know that the Committee is reintroducing the bill, with some modifications.

Before I go into those modifications, I want to point out that your voices are being heard. I spoke to another staffer on the Committee, who told me that not only are they reading my ZDNet Government articles, but they’re also reading your comments. So keep up those TalkBacks. They are making a difference.

About the reintroduction of the bill

Normally, I don’t like to include long quotes from other sources, but here’s exactly what Alex told me about the bill:

Today, House Committee on Science and Technology Chairman Bart Gordon (D-TN) will introduce The America COMPETES Reauthorization Act of 2010. The bill is expected to be considered under suspension tomorrow. Bills considered under suspension cannot be amended and need to pass with support from two-thirds of those present, rather than a simple majority.

The bill is identical to H.R. 5116 with two exceptions: it reduces the authorization period from five to three years, and it adopts language from the Motion to Recommit banning the use of the authorized funds to pay the salary of federal employees disciplined for looking at pornography at work. It includes the 52 amendments to H.R. 5116 adopted on the House Floor.

“The reintroduced America COMPETES Reauthorization Act is a 50 percent cut in the funding path from H.R. 5116 as introduced. While I certainly would have preferred the stability a five-year authorization would have given our science agencies, I am willing to compromise with the Minority, in the interest of getting a good bill through the House and to our colleagues in the Senate. This legislation is too important to our nation’s scientific and economic leadership to let it fall victim to political gridlock,” said Chairman Bart Gordon (D-TN). “The bill has a less steep funding trajectory than the 2007 COMPETES, H.R. 2272, which passed the 110th Congress 367 to 57, with the support of 143 Republicans, 101 of whom are serving in the 111th Congress.”

My thoughts

I beat up on our politicians pretty ruthlessly on Monday, so I won’t do much more of it today. I’m glad to see the bill is being reintroduced, but I honestly think the whole porn thing is a silly game.

Clearly, we don’t want Federal employees surfing porn while at work. But that should be part of any employer’s employment policy and shouldn’t have to be a rider on a science and technology bill. And since we’re limiting Federal employee use of porn, what about Facebook? Is it OK to play Farmville, as long as the animals are fully clothed? What about Twitter? What about eBay or buying things on Amazon?

An employer’s expectation for all of these things should be specified to every employee — and certainly to those who get paid by our tax dollars. But adding it to our science bill?

I’ve said this to our politicians before and it’s still valid: focus on what’s important and stop playing political games. Many Americans need help; we have tougher competition than ever before. To paraphrase President Kennedy:

And so, America’s politicians: ask not what political gamesmanship can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.

No matter what, special thanks go to Alex for keeping us in the loop.

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RE: Breaking news: House Science & Technology Committee reintroduces science bill, with porn ban intact
weightlosspills 22nd Aug
@terry flores

You made a accurate close at weight loss pills, good job!
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Rider on a Science bill?
OhTheHumanity Updated - 19th May 2010
You clearly don't understand how Washington D.C. really works. Its an every day thing to include things in bills that have nothing to do with it. Look at the health care bill, it included student loan modifications. I think people should be fired for porn surfing as it is a waste of taxpayer money and introduces security risks into our government systems which makes so many nervous.

Our politicians are nothing more than marketeers and they have very little idea of how American's really think about the good ol' boy system that is Washington and how its all bribes and kickbacks. This porn thing shouldn't even be in a bill like you said, but since no one else will take the stand to control it, I think congress should. Government employees need some rules and discipline as its been a mess for a long time now.
@daMan25
Problem is, I DO know how it works, and it's wrong, wrong, wrong and ... wrong! It needs to change.
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Yeah its sad.......
OhTheHumanity 20th May 2010
@twaynesdomain
I think its high time that American's wake up to the disaster that has become the American politician. I am right there with you on changing it, but until American's really pay attention and demand the change nothing will happen and the abuse will continue.

I can't remember the last time I saw a politician that I actually think would do whats right for all instead of a group or idealism that they are in to. Its no surprise that the independant voter is on a major rise and I am glad to see it. And lifetime polticians need to be term limited period.
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Well...
Stuka 19th May 2010
It is nice to see there are people associated with the House that go to outside sources for information, or to distribute information.

However, I am so fed up with the majority of those in the House and their blatant disregard for our countries constitution. Its quite obvious that the majority of them do not consider it the main guiding document of our government. If they did, the "Health Care Reform" bill (as if there is any reform in it) would not have passed in its current form.

Ok, back on topic. I don't think the house should be wasting its time on something that should be handled by HR. Banning Porn from the work place should not require an HR bill at all to manage.

As for the bulk of the bill, I agree with some of the items in it. But the last thing our financially inept government should be doing is looking for ways to spend more money.
I am still trying to figure out what part of the Constitution allows for the government to get as involved or not into the sciences. Is it a good thing for them to provide grants?---Sure, but to what extent? Who gets to decide what is real science and what is political theater in the sciences. When we see how the government influenced scientists to come up with erroneous data to support global warming, many obviously crossed the line.

I would love to see a law that would allow the government to not deal with all of its beuracracies to fire people surfing for porn on government equipment. I don't care how it becomes law. Most government employees are oxygen thieves. In the government, no one is fired for incompetence. A government employee needs to come in drunk, rape someone, and call them a racial slur to be fired. Missing any one of those, and the parasite sucking on the collective *** of the taxpayer only gets a slap on the wrist. The SEC employees who were caught surfing for porn are still employed there. If that isn't cause enough to just vote everyone out of office, I don't know how much more evidence of malfeasance one needs.
@MadWhiteHatter

"and the parasite sucking on the collective *** of the taxpayer only gets a slap on the wrist. The SEC employees who were caught surfing for porn are still employed there."

To be fair, I would not be fired by my (private) employer the first time I was caught surfing an inappropriate web site. This is because there is a policy in place that gives a reprimand first, followed by more serious penalties (loss of pay, firing.)

The bigger cost of the bill will be the need for the various HR departments to update and distribute revised policies to the hundreds of thousands of government employees.
@aep528
"The bigger cost of the bill will be the need for the various HR departments to update and distribute revised policies to the hundreds of thousands of government employees."

They can always post the policies on the Internet since they seem so adept as using it...
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I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite effect happens.
terry flores Updated - 19th May 2010
@MadWhiteHatter

The bill says it would prohibit paying government employees who were disciplined for viewing pornography at work, effectively terminating them. The Civil Service Commission and the unions may argue that ANY disciplinary action regarding porn must therefore be subject to lengthy reviews and lost time for the manager, in effect making it such a pain to write anybody up that nobody does it anymore.

Only being able to kill mosquitoes with a cannon leaves you with two options; lots of wreckage everywhere, or lots of mosquitoes. Which one do you think will prevail?
@terry flores
Actually, this possibly could make it easier to get rid of those employees who surf porn. Federal law is not subject to collective bargaining and progressive discipline rules set in an employment contract, it is the law. (Ex)employees who wish to fight termination will have to do so in court after they are fired, and courts rarely overturn termination for cause.
@terry flores

You made a accurate close at weight loss pills, good job!
Gee, I've fired people for surfing porn and for not performing. And all this time I thought I worked for the Government. Guess I was mistaken.

Seriously, while it makes good talk backs to say stupid things like MadWhiteHatter did, the reality is far from what he said.
@r_rosen I used those three examples because I have personally seen them happen without repercussions in different government offices.
I'll bet you 5 bucks that none of the leaders who will vote on this bill have ever read it.

Better get it passed, most of the people in the chambers will be on unemployment soon...
What needs to be done is to make it easier for Government, schools, bussiness...etc to filter or block porn sites by putting them in .xxx domains
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This is old argument
terry flores 19th May 2010
@rreuter

Why not just ask spammers to spam from a .spam domain? Because they won't. Many porn sites are foreign, not subject to US laws. And what many old coots call porn (e.g. naked women) shows up on a lot of mainstream sites, some intentionally, some not. It's a running contest at my local library for some kids to see how long it takes to defeat the net nanny filters. I think the longest time is about 30 seconds ...
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Why won't Congress force the .xxx domain?
No_Ax_to_Grind 19th May 2010
Maybe it's just me but it seems like such a simple concept. Require porn sites to use a .xxx domain name and then anyone (or employer) that wants can block them.
@No_Ax_to_Grind
Its called lobbying. The Porn industry has more money than people stop to realize sometimes. They would find ways to get that stopped. They dont want to be easily stopped that way. Plus, most companies use web-content filtering that categorizes websites anyways. It is not that hard to keep porn out of a company. If anything, they usually mis-categorize non-porn as porn and keep out legitimate sites.
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More simple sense (when will the lambs learn?)
klumper Updated - 20th May 2010
Dear Mr. No_Ax_to_Grind

Thank you for your seemingly helpful suggestion. Now kindly get lost. We don't need your - or anyone else's - simple sense solutions.

By way of explanation, it is our sworn duty to ensure that things remain more complicated than that in Washington.

Signed,
Your friendly puppeteers, the Feds
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Another Federal mandate
itpro_z 19th May 2010
Our public school system has been on the decline for several decades now, mostly due to Federal interference and mandates like NCLB. I am waiting for the time when a state, any state, stands up to the Feds and tells them "No thank you". That would mean that the States would have to do without the Federal money, but they would regain control of their schools. Without the Federal mandates holding them back, the States would be free to get back to teaching the kids instead of chasing one failed education fad after another.

Yeah, I know, you Progressives believe that the Fed should control every aspect of our lives. I tend to disagree, believing that our schools should be under local control, with the States setting the Standards for the individual school districts to follow. Considering that our Federal Government is on the verge of total financial collapse perhaps Congress should spend their time looking for ways to reduce spending instead of constantly passing bills to spend every more.
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There is nothing salutary
klumper 20th May 2010
when the word "federal" is attached to it. Not anymore that is.

For much of the 20th century, it was synonymous with "elitist" or "socialist." Today, I'd more closely consider it a synonym for "traitorous."
Leaving the issue of the addition of the Porn Bill - the US needs to encourage and support our students to pursue science and engineering as careers. We have quickly lost our edge and no longer lead the world in the production of scientists and engineers. I have recently returned from the International Science and Engineering Fair attended by 1611 students from 59 countries. The work that these students have done is truly amazing! However the sad truth is that only a small percentage of US secondary students consider engaging in scientific research. We would do well to look at the past during the space race and what we can do to encourage students in the fields that our country will need to be able to compete economically with the rest of the world.
Well ... the "porn" issue should be nothing more than a sidelight. The REAL problem (and tragedy) is the ability of almost anyone, including fanatics, to amend a bill in any way that attacks the original intent and spirit. Porn was simply something used to get attention in this case: It is NOT the major issue. ANYTHING similar to porn, whether it be labelling of a margarine container in a bill intended to label milk bottles should just NOT be allowed. Once a bill has begin its trajectory, it must be retained EXACTLY as it was presented, or thrown out, period. It would make things better all around with the exception of those who simply put their arrogant opinions into good bills that would have been fine otherwise. IMO it HAS TO STOP! Period. It'd even make deciding on who to vote for easier too. I use my vote sparingly and only for those who I figure are honest and forthwith enough to deserve it. I no longer vote for the "lesser of two evils"; I won't vote for ANY evil-doer.
Two newspapers and an ezine printed my last one: I wonder if they'll use this followup too.

I'm surprised this turned around, but I'm still feeling like there's a good chance this issue simply was there at the right time in the right place and had nothing or little to do with the changes made.
I wouldn't exactly call that a porn ban either! It's a very small, negligible ban that can and will be easily ignored. It was stupid to oppose it as it was to include it.
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Just another day at the office...
notme403@... 19th May 2010
The modifications, modest as they are, included the amendments which were added in session, but rolled back some of the incentives to use "innovative" technology and processes. If you were to read those sections you may notice that they opened large doors of opportunity for imaginative entrepreneurs to bilk the US gummint out of lots of cash. So the change is good... :o)

This bill is fairly short, and I think that most of the reps did read it, at least in part, just because of the detailed discussions engaged during the debate process. This is contrary to the health care bill, which I am pretty sure nobody read in whole, and most did not read even a tiny bit of it. It would have been like reading Atlas Shrugged and then some. The pressure exerted by the Oval Office to pass the Health Care Debacle was unprecedented given the lack of urgency. This bill is a reward program, basically a large, fluffy, feel good bonus system for friends of the Democrats. Feels good... Pass it.
madwhitehatter "When we see how the government influenced scientists to come up with erroneous data to support global warming, many obviously crossed the line." Obviously you've been snorting too many mercury fumes. Now my pet peeves are the many regulations based on the absurd claims about the damages of second hand smoke (government simply ignoring the science) Anyone who can ignore ocean acidification, climate caused deforestation, major changes in world weather patterns, melting of ancient glaciers not to mention the ice of the north pole and greenland, has a serious case of cranial rectal insertion! BUT back to the point. Passage of a SCIENCE bill contingent on fireing government workers who surf porn at work?? Well it speaks loudly and clearly to the disconnect between common sense and the uhh minority party!!
@tangentjohn@... I am not debating whehter there is climate change. There is, but I still don't know what SUV the mastadons drove to get the last ice age to go away. Let me just remind you of http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141258/Global_warming_research_exposed_after_hack?taxonomyId=82.

On the matter of second-hand smoke, my question is about tobacco in general. Why not ban it all together?---Money. That is why. There isn't one law that the Congress passes that doesn't give someone a buck he doesn't deserve. You can't smoke in bars here in Maryland, which I find odd. It should be up to the bar owner to make that call. No one forces anyone to work there, and no one forces anyone else to patronize the joint. If we could only get the government out of everybody else's business, it'd just be better.
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Porn "looking" for fed employees
dshehorn44@... 20th May 2010
Elected federal officials and staff ARE federal employees, so as long as the HB applies equally to those fed employees --
("banning the use of the authorized funds to pay the salary of federal employees disciplined for looking at pornography at work") -- thne it is OK with me.
And our government wonders why it is being reviled and ridiculed when it does silly things like this and tries to act like it's such a great and responsible thing to do?

All I'm seeing from here is one huge kindergarten with no teachers to give it direction.

AFAIK there isn't a "real" definition for what constitutes "porn" so it's interpretation is all subjective ala Steve Jobs.

The really sad thing to be seeing is people being voted for who are all for giving "Big business" (ersatz citizens) more leeway to rob people while they go out of their way to suppress any form of freedom that real citizens have enjoyed.

And, saddest of all, they have stopped protecting the Constitution which they affirmed or even swore an oath to do when they took office.

And now science is becoming a side-show in the halls of our government. It's not bad enough that they have ridiculed and denigrated science for so long but that they are continuing the circus with this bill.

I'd tell them "for shame" but "shame" isn't a word in their dictionary and they wouldn't understand.
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