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Court likely to cut damages in MSFT patent infringement case

By | September 24, 2009, 8:12am PDT

Summary: Damages seem to hang on speculation as to how much users would have paid for fully licensed technology from i4i.

Federal Circuit judges offered strong hints they will uphold Microsoft’s liability for Word 2003 and 2007’s violation of a patent held by Toronto-based i4i but sharply reduce the damages.

Reuters reports that Judge Kimberly Moore looked askance at the jury’s calculation that XML users would have paid substantially more than the $90 charged for product in question. (I’m confused from this coversage whether the product was Word or Windows; clearly, it’s Word but the article refers to Windows - what am I missing?)

“Not everyone who is willing to pay $90 or $200 for a product is willing to pay $500,” she said.

Microsoft tried to argue that while there had been discussions between Redmond and Toronto, no one at Microsoft had ever read i4i’s patents.

Judge Alvin Schall was skeptical. “I find it hard to believe that Microsoft didn’t read the patent,” he said.

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The only people getting rich are the lawyers.
twaynesdomain Updated - 28th Sep 2009
An excellent observation. But look at all the free PR i... is getting! That sure can't hurt anything.
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M$ must pay the pepper
Linux Geek 24th Sep 2009
stealing from small competitors should not be allowed.
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small correction
Loverock Davidson 24th Sep 2009
its Piper. But you were close.
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??
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Didn't read the patent?? WTF
wackoae 24th Sep 2009
From what I understand and as part of the facts of the case, MS received a a copy of i4i's product for evaluation and was offered a license to their patent way before they integrated the feature into MS Office.

Do you really believe they didn't read the patent or analyze the product??
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Its what make MS even more guilty
Quebec-french 24th Sep 2009
with the army on lawyer legal staff that MS must
have check .... And failing to check first before
getting on with something .... its impossible and
stupid .

So MS deliberately choose to infringe the I4I
patent ... its should be a one more nail in the
coffin...
the lawsuit. I can see this happening considering there are millions of patents. Part of the problem with software patents.

Can i patent thought? I want to make money from air.
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My new patent
MadWhiteHatter 24th Sep 2009
I am going to patent English. I believe I am the last person in America who speaks it properly, so I plan to get a patent for the language. Sadly, I don't believe I would be able to sue anyone with my new patent because no one else uses English. No one on these boards seems to know how to write in English at least.
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Can i patent thought?
twaynesdomain 24th Sep 2009
You sho' 'nuff can, sonny! Til someone says you can't, you can! But you can't: I have already submitted 10,843,672 patents of thoughts. It includes the thoughts about whether you can patent thoughts, so ...

Works for me~
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Well...
zkiwi 24th Sep 2009
Seeing as there is documents in evidence that show that they knew of the patents held, to say they never read them is at best arrogant, at worst a display of consummate incompetence.
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And habitual lying.
twaynesdomain 28th Sep 2009
And their habitual lying.
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How can M$ claim to have entertained a ...
mwagner@... 24th Sep 2009
... conversation about royalty payments but then claimed that their attorneys never read the patents. Absurd. Microsoft keeps shooting themselves in the head by trying to mislead the courts. (We are past the jury phase and screwing with the judge is just plain stupid!)
and they took NO corrective action and continued shipping and making additional infringing versions.
(earning big $$$$..)

That leaves M$ with two positions..

Willfull negilgence.
Intentional malfesence.

Knowning M$.. it's probably both..

Either way.. The current judgement is appropriate for the damages they inflicted upon i4i.
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Not at all.
GuidingLight 24th Sep 2009
No one purchased Microsoft Office because of the silly little item that i4i patenetd.
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Which of course makes it ok
zkiwi 24th Sep 2009
To jack someone else's patented work. Sorry, but that argument's about as successful at flying as is a sheep.
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xml????? WHY????
madrucke@... 24th Sep 2009
I actually think xml is stupid. I;ve been avoiding it like the plaugue!

Damages?

If anything it *hurt* Microsoft's Products

Mike Sr.
When is someone in the US going to do something about software patents. These are things that shouldn't exist. Software is a sequence of mathematical formulas and as far as I know mathematical formulas are not patentable. At worst they are a business process and if you know any patent lawyers who think that software patents and business processes should be allowed sho them this patent.

http://www.google.ca/patents?id=ZUUNAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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Erm...
zkiwi 24th Sep 2009
It's not as though patents are bad, it's just that the USPTO is so broken it's as much use as hair on a bowling ball.
I don't see the advantage to XML anyway, I think that they need to go back to the original non-XML formats.
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My tuppence worth......
carlsf@... 25th Sep 2009
I think it is all a case of MS trying to stomp over anyone they like (this includes their clients/users.

As for users having to pay more if they had paid or purchased the patent NO.
The market will only accept so much.
What it means is that MS profits would NOT have been as large as they have been. The only reason the have $nnn billions in the bank is they have made profits by blindly robbing/stealing from ligitimate researchers and products, patents.
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But they are attorneys, they don't have to read anything. Skimming is in their nature.
This sounds like piracy at best. Maybe the RIAA is involved (or should be) to make sure that M$ pays up. How much would users pay is BS. How much would users pay for a song. If its good for one RIAA it should be good for M$.

The only people getting rich are the lawyers.
-mw
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The only people getting rich are the lawyers.
twaynesdomain Updated - 28th Sep 2009
An excellent observation. But look at all the free PR i... is getting! That sure can't hurt anything.
"Not reading" by MS actually sounds plausible to me. Funny: They think it's OK if they do that, but they'll hit us for huge damages if WE do it!
I pretty much already do without MS even though they've done their absolute best to entrap me into their products as single-sourced items. Funny; their stranglehold on me is nearly gone. It was easy. They should pay the price/s just as fairly as they force/d us to "pay the price/s". Turnabout's fair play, guys. If you really are receiving malicious punishment, it's still descrved because it's no worse than what you've done to your own customers. Funny how loyalty works, isn't it?

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