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FAA puts two air traffic control employees on admin leave after teen directs aircraft over JFK

By | March 3, 2010, 11:22am PST

Summary: CBS News has reports that a child was allowed under supervision of an adult ATC employee to direct traffic at JFK’s Air Traffic control ce

CBS News reports that a child was allowed under supervision of an adult ATC employee to direct traffic at JFK’s Air Traffic control center. The FAA announced today that two employees have been put on administrative leave while it investigates the incident which occurred on Feb. 17th of this year.

As a pilot I would have no problem with such directions given the scenario described. This is particularly true if this was bring your kid to work program. I would actually encourage such participation. Indications are, the FAA is reviewing the incident with a heavy hand. FAA air traffic controllers have back up, supervisors and redundant systems in place that while not perfect are very well managed. The technology used in air traffic control is complex. It’s a high stress job that will need new controllers in the future that are high-tech savvy, motivated and experienced. In fact, it could be argued that controllers will face a hiring problem in the coming decades as air traffic volume increases and becomes completely computerized.

Regulations were technically violated, among them radio frequency transmissions require licenses and training. While it is true that simulators can offer similar experiences, there’s nothing like doing it for real. Air transportation is under severe political pressure to maintain aviation safety and security at all times. CBS News is owned by CBS, the parent company of ZDNet.

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Doug is the principal of Rapid Response Consulting, an advisory group that integrates ICT solutions. He has worked at some of the largest telecommunications firms in Canada, including Bell Canada, Telus and AT&T and is a guest lecturer for several universities and associations. He serves on several advisory boards in Canada and the United States.

Starting with a new national ISP in 1993 in sales, positioning internet access, web sites and network services began the path of telecommunications technologies from the early Bulletin Board Services (BBS) to the first web pages for commercial clients.

Became the National Data Network Service Manager for Frame Relay and Internet access for AccTel Enterprises which was acquired (after 3 mergers already) by AT&T Canada. Interested in how marketing could expand service availability, he moved to Telus to become the Frame Relay / ATM Product Manager and expanded the network across Canada. In 2002 he went to Bell Canada becoming a Solution Architect to get back to his passion for technology working with enterprise clients. In 2006, became the Director of R&D and Senior Solution Architect for Bell Canada Security Solutions Inc, developing I.P. based physical and logical security platforms and ICT services.

This position created new commercial concepts such as Crisis and Disaster technology solutions required for emergency use after an event occurred. He designed interoperable technologies and application combinations allowing any to any I.P. service through landline, broadband, satellite and wireless technologies to be deployed anywhere

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RE: FAA puts two air traffic control employees on admin leave after teen di
clkessle 7th Mar 2010
As a pilot myself, I believe that the air traffic controller that
brought his children to work and his supervisors at worst
deserve a slap on the wrist. From listening to the audio
clips , the incident at John F. Kennedy airport was
completely harmless. You could clearly hear the dad
(controller) giving instructions to the children and giving
the longer or more difficult commands himself. The child
was obviously never in control.

I grew up with a father that was a private pilot and over
the years always heard kids saying the simple radio
communication calls from the plane- obviously repeating
whatever the pilot had told them to say. Having the
children reiterate the command in the control tower and in
the plane is honestly probably safer than not- because
closer attention is probably being paid to the command by
the one giving the instructions (since it is being repeated).
I have been more distracted/flustered by controllers that
are jerks than a sweet innocent child's voice. WHAT A NICE
BREATH OF FRESH AIR!!!

There is SUCH a shortage of experienced Air Traffic
Controllers and it would be a shame to see 2 experienced
controllers lose their jobs or spend another day out of
work for something that was in no way endangering
anyone. There are a lot of bigger problems that this to
worry about!
The kid just repeated the orders on the radio.

No different than in the old days if a Boy Scout troop had visited the tower.

You can hear from the tapes the the pilots loved it. As a pilot myself, sometimes you need a little humor.

Ever listen to JFK tower in the wee hours when just the freight dogs are flying?
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ANY little excuse for a coverup! If it is like other radio services, a properly licensed operator can permit a 3rd person to participate under direct their control and supervision.
Shees, Louieeez!
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Cites?
twaynesdomain 3rd Mar 2010
If that's the case, where is the citation for it? I haven't seen/heard it. Or are you making up your own vision of how it all went down, as so many do these days?
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The audio is available
doug.hanchard@... 3rd Mar 2010
Audio replay of the event is available online.
You can listen to it here:

http://www.ubervu.com/conversations/www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-G5xV_N8N1

In my opinion safety was never compromised and nor was there any jeapardy of aircraft or passengers at any time.
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I think that allowing a kid to direct air traffic at a large airport, with a large city near by, is not good. If this was to happen at a smaller airport/city then this would be ok (with extreme supervision from the other air traffic controllers and authorization from the FAA). I think that it is good for kids with an interest in airplanes and air traffic control to experience something like this but not in an airport/airspace that has such a high volume of air traffic and airplanes that come in from all over the world.
Totally unprofessional and unnecessary. Would a heart surgeon allow his kid to put in a couple well placed stitches under his watchful supervision? Kids belong in school not in the workplace. Repremand and get these guys back to work.
The FAA is trying to cover it's butt knowing that a rabid and vocal minority will attempt to make as much hay of it as they can. After all many people derive power from finding fault or being offended.

I understand the FAA investigating. I hope they have enough sense to let this non-story go. (if it turns out to be what is described in this article)

I'm not always proud of being a human.
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As descibed in the article, ....
twaynesdomain 3rd Mar 2010
heads need to roll! It is MORONIC to allow so many infractions of the law as exposed in that article just to impress a teen and give him a thrill, even though there ARE (not mentioned in the article)backups and redundancies in the 'system"! The "system" has failed before, and purposely ignoring the rules could still have been catastrophic to (how many people would be on say two of those planes?) a massive number of people.
You just don't know anymore. Sometimes it seems no one can be trusted.
As usual, this is an article devoid of any "meat" to explain the situation furhter and contains nothing but one person's opinion rather than true facts.
I'm starting to not like ZDNet so much; too much, well, incompetence gong on for want of a better word.
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Follow the links
doug.hanchard@... 3rd Mar 2010
The meat is the kid was in ATC.

The FAA is investigating (linked)

Primary story credit is given where it's due (linked) our parent company CBS.

I added my commentary and offered a poll.

Sometimes the stories are short.

Thanks for writing.

Doug
Fire their butts. End of story. No discussion. No appeal. No rehire. Idiots.
Why wasn't this brought to attention of ATC and FAA in the first place after the pilots heard a kid talking? It is surprising to learn that the pilots were amused by the atc voice? The ATC employees shouldn't be fired but warned, since this was done under their supervision
If the controller was off having a pee while hiw 8 year old was at the controls, well that would be something to publicize.

But I'm thinking that a responsible controller had a child at work on a snow day and the child is an understudy that was sitting on his lap under the controller's direct supervision.

It is worth investigation from the officials, but I would suggest this is not worthy of a charge if the scenario I painted above is what happened.
As a former major carrier pilot (recently laid off) this is a non problem. This gives the FAA the appearance of looking like they care while avoiding the huge structural issues that have developed over the past decade.The emperor's new clothes.
i think there are plenty other significant and critical issues than this.

those kids were under direct supervision. they were not directing traffic, merely repeating instructions. my view, their dad the atc was in full control of the traffic direction. he was still the traffic controller.

unless the atc relinquish control, then that would be a problem. in this case, it appears he did not.
Many years ago, my father was the FAA tower chief at the downtown airport of a major metro area. On some Saturdays, he'd take me there and put me in the capable hands of the tower personnel and, occasionally, I'd get to visit the main radar room where the *real* controllers were working.

While I never was allowed or got the chance to "control" an airplane on the ground or in the air, I was allowed to follow along on a spare radar console as another controller did his job. It was all very exciting and interesting to a then-10 year old tadpole.

I've known many ATC people over the years, including some of the poor, benighted PATCO members who went on strike (and were then fired) in direct defiance of Ronald Reagan's (quite legal) orders forbidding such a strike. All of them were professionals, and very good at their jobs. I expect that most current ATC people are of the same quality.

As for the current nonsense, it's my firm belief that the child (or children) in question were closely supervised by their father(s) and were instructed in *exactly* what to say to the aircrews on the flight decks. Had they bobbled the instructions, I'm sure the *real* ATC personnel would have made the appropriate corrections.

It's a pity to see people who do *not* understand the hows and whys of ATC, as well as the pressure these people are under day after day, spew their ignorant nonsense all over the media and blogs such as this one.

Thanks for the write-up, Doug. Your analysis is spot on.
When I get pulled over for speeding, lets say 75 in a 65, it is a
reasonable arguement that I was doing so safely- clear day, open
road.. The law is known by myself prior to and after getting caught
speeding. I can't argue that and take the punishment. I'm quite
sure these controllers knew well what they were doing, and the
possible consequenses for thier actions. I don't always get a
speeding ticket every time I'm pulled over for speeding- but I'm
ready to face the consequences.
As a pilot myself, I believe that the air traffic controller that
brought his children to work and his supervisors at worst
deserve a slap on the wrist. From listening to the audio
clips , the incident at John F. Kennedy airport was
completely harmless. You could clearly hear the dad
(controller) giving instructions to the children and giving
the longer or more difficult commands himself. The child
was obviously never in control.

I grew up with a father that was a private pilot and over
the years always heard kids saying the simple radio
communication calls from the plane- obviously repeating
whatever the pilot had told them to say. Having the
children reiterate the command in the control tower and in
the plane is honestly probably safer than not- because
closer attention is probably being paid to the command by
the one giving the instructions (since it is being repeated).
I have been more distracted/flustered by controllers that
are jerks than a sweet innocent child's voice. WHAT A NICE
BREATH OF FRESH AIR!!!

There is SUCH a shortage of experienced Air Traffic
Controllers and it would be a shame to see 2 experienced
controllers lose their jobs or spend another day out of
work for something that was in no way endangering
anyone. There are a lot of bigger problems that this to
worry about!

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