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High Court's terrorism ruling could affect how you use Gmail, Twitter and Facebook

By | February 24, 2010, 9:00am PST

Summary: Every Social Media website may have a whole new set of problems to deal with such as proactively checking with the U.S. State Department whom or what organizations are considered ‘terrorists’.

The U.S. Supreme Court has begun deliberating if sections of the U.S. Patriot Act violate 1st Amendment rights regarding free speech and association. The Supreme Court potentially could affect how you use different applications in the near future.

Everyday we send out an email, twitter, or join a fan page of someone, something or group that has a point of view. But is that necessarily something that the government should be able to use against you and be considered ’support’ of those individuals or entities? Maybe. You may have to censor yourself - very carefully - before you send out anything to anyone. Free speech isn’t automatic as we all think it is. Ever since the U.S. Patriot Act came into effect, the U.S. Government has had considerable power to investigate and collect information. But how far is it really capable of going, and have key sections of the Patriot Act violated the U.S. Constitution? Some argue that it has.

In an article posted by Reuters today;

The law bars knowingly providing any service, training, expert advice or assistance to any foreign organization designated by the U.S. State Department as terrorist.

This potentially has significant impacts on any user of Facebook, Twitter or any other internet application that you use. If you joined a group that the State Department considered a terrorist organization you may be vulnerable to prosecution and may not even know it. Critics of the Act didn’t back down:

Georgetown University law professor David Cole argued to the court that the law made it a crime for his clients, the Humanitarian Law Project in Los Angeles and its president Ralph Fertig, to speak out in assistance of the Kurdistan Workers Party, a militant separatist group in Turkey.

David Cole maybe right. Just imagine if you retweet anything that Ralph Fertig send outs on Twitter, you may not even know what you are doing is potentially violating the Patriot Act.

The law’s opponents said they would accept the law if it were reframed in a less restrictive way, banning only support that significantly aided unlawful ends.

Justice Stephen Breyer offered this counter argument;

“What’s the objection to that?” Breyer asked [Elena] Kagan [Solicitor General of the United States]. She replied that teaching foreign terrorist groups to petition international bodies to get financial or other support would “strengthen those organizations in everything that they do.”

Reframed? How about complete overhaul. This section of the law has the potential to trap entire segments of associations and people without them even knowing it.  It doesn’t end there, the article goes on;

Some conservative justices also expressed concerns.

Chief Justice John Roberts said he was not so sure what constituted expert advice or assistance to such groups.

If a Supreme Court justice doesn’t know, then who does?? Every Social Media website may have a whole new set of problems to deal with such as proactively checking with the U.S. State Department about whom or what organizations are considered ‘terrorists’. And how realistic is that? Surely the U.S. Supreme Court recognizes that is a violation of the First Amendment. What if the content or person is not in the United States? Is Facebook supposed to make sure that this information is filtered from being seen by U.S. citizens? Sounds like a Green Dam gone amok.

A decision is expected in June.

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Biography

Doug Hanchard

Doug is the principal of Rapid Response Consulting, an advisory group that integrates ICT solutions. He has worked at some of the largest telecommunications firms in Canada, including Bell Canada, Telus and AT&T and is a guest lecturer for several universities and associations. He serves on several advisory boards in Canada and the United States.

Starting with a new national ISP in 1993 in sales, positioning internet access, web sites and network services began the path of telecommunications technologies from the early Bulletin Board Services (BBS) to the first web pages for commercial clients.

Became the National Data Network Service Manager for Frame Relay and Internet access for AccTel Enterprises which was acquired (after 3 mergers already) by AT&T Canada. Interested in how marketing could expand service availability, he moved to Telus to become the Frame Relay / ATM Product Manager and expanded the network across Canada. In 2002 he went to Bell Canada becoming a Solution Architect to get back to his passion for technology working with enterprise clients. In 2006, became the Director of R&D and Senior Solution Architect for Bell Canada Security Solutions Inc, developing I.P. based physical and logical security platforms and ICT services.

This position created new commercial concepts such as Crisis and Disaster technology solutions required for emergency use after an event occurred. He designed interoperable technologies and application combinations allowing any to any I.P. service through landline, broadband, satellite and wireless technologies to be deployed anywhere

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good idea about facebook
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Correct Decision
anushka0314 Updated - 24th Feb 2010
The government has taken the correct steps. Someone has to put a firm foot forward to curb dangerous and politically insecure controversial statements that are being posted and discussed on these sites.Okay, citizens need their freedom of speech, but a governing body needs to set a limit so that undue advantage is not taken by the people. This act is required for social harmony inside the country as well as for the country's own security.
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CobraA1 24th Feb 2010
"Someone has to put a firm foot forward to curb dangerous and politically insecure controversial statements that are being posted and discussed on these sites."

"dangerous" - maybe. Using the "yelling fire in an theater" argument. But we have to make very, very clear what is to be called dangerous, and it has to be a definition the vast majority of people can agree with.

"politically insecure?" I'm not certain about that. I may disagree with people who think George Bush is the spawn of Satan, but I'll die defending their right to believe it and their right to make public their opinions.

Their freedom is IMO far more important than their agreement.

"This act is required for social harmony"

I value the right to free speech far more than the ideal of having social harmony.

We've seen what happens when people try to enforce social harmony with an iron fist. It's not pretty, and it rarely lasts very long.
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We alread know those answers
Yagotta B. Kidding 24th Feb 2010
But we have to make very, very clear what is to be called dangerous, and it has to be a definition the vast majority of people can agree with.

That's the easy part: have a look at the votes for the PATRIOT Act and its later revisions. The bipartisan support is overwhelming, and the popular support is even more so. Americans know very well what is dangerous: Muslims, especially ones with funny names and accents.

The sooner we can expel (or execute, whichever keeps taxes lower) everyone who isn't a Real American the better.
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Out of control government...
tux_engineer 24th Feb 2010
So now the Government is going to regulate social sites???

IT is the dumbest thing I have heard of, MONEY $$$
down a rat hole!
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No -- that would be:
a) Expensive (read higher taxes/deficits)
b) An infringement on free enterprise
c) Unnecessary

The idea is that if, after the fact, someone decides that you did a Bad Thing then you can be declared an Enemy Combatant with all of the unpleasant consequences that has.
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errr no.....
doug.hanchard@... 24th Feb 2010
Who said anything about regulate?

But imagine how fast popularity of social media
websites would tumble if media content
"managers" gets thousands of subpoenas requiring
them to hand over records. Usage would tumble -
fast.

The government simply uses 'evidence' collected
and in combination with the Patriot Act....

You decide how the dots will be connected.
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social harmony is an old Communist excuse
terry flores 24th Feb 2010
Your comment reads right out of the Chinese Communist Party's creed. This kind of garbage is what's killing America as the "land of the free and the home of the brave." You would have us be neither, cowering under the sheets as slaves to our own government masters as well as in constant fear of faceless external enemies.

No thanks, move to China if this is truly what you want.
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Yeah, but the sentiment...
fairportfan 10th Mar 2010
...is pure Tailgunner Joe.

Which is, of course, not a surprise. Would-be demagogue totalitarians all really sound the same if you really listen - they just cloak their agenda in different types of bushwah.
Oddly, the First Amendment only applies to laws passed by
Congress. It does not apply to judicial decisions or
Executive Orders. And remember, freedom of speech only
gives you the right to say something publicly. It does
not free you from the consequences of that speech.
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Silly question
Yagotta B. Kidding Updated - 24th Feb 2010
Every Social Media website may have a whole new set of problems to deal with such as proactively checking with the U.S. State Department about whom or what organizations are considered ?terrorists?. And how realistic is that?

If they told you, they'd have to shoot you. That list of suspect individuals and organizations is a closely-held state secret.

If you haven't done anything wrong, you don't need to ask. If you have done something wrong, the only reason for asking is to find out if the authorities are on your trail. Either way, for the sake of homeland security you shouldn't know you're under investigation.
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*klink*
doug.hanchard@... 24th Feb 2010
Now you tell me........
your are a ******* idiot.
Mr Hanchard:

It seems to me that your conclusion: Services provided by the Humanitarian Law Project to the KWP equates to a private citizen posting a rant about Dick Cheney on Facebook - seems like a really outrageous hypothesis. To be honest you have provided no evidence at all to support your hyped-up headline. I am sorry - I sure you meant to stir some talk about the loss of our civil-liberties, however, you have provided no more conclusions than a Glen Beck when he connects the "dots". Do more homework before your next article.
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doug.hanchard@... 24th Feb 2010
Let's create several hypothetical scenarios:

You join a facebook fan club that supports XYZ terrorist organisation.

Let's say a friend of yours invites you to join a fan page that you later find out is linked to a terrorist organization.

Or, you have some conversation with a fan or its affiliated members and you even agree with some points of that person.

This association (without clarification by the Supreme Court) could have very serious consequences to your 1st amendment rights.

Your comparison to former Vice President Cheney is the perfect example - if a person is not careful about how specific language is used in a rant about former Vice President Cheney, under current Law the Secret Service has the legal authority to investigate you for uttering threats. People have been arrested for making threats against the Vice President via social media.

Extending the arguement to a fan page, a Twitter retweet from a person who maybe a terrorist or by being associated via GMail and a Buzz clip could find you in hot water with someone you didn't realize.

As per the Reuters article:

The law barring material support, first adopted in 1996, was strengthened by the USA Patriot Act adopted by Congress right after the September 11 attacks and underwent minor amendment again in 2004.

Material support can literately be as simple as giving a thumbs up on a Facebook fan page of 'what you think' of someone you may barely know.

The goal of the article was simply notifiy you of the debate before the U.S. Supreme Court and give you examples of how the courts decision may impact future use of social media websites.

Thanks for writing.

Doug
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Good explanation, Doug. Though it strikes me there is a bit more
background that may make your point clearer.

Many groups declared as "terrorist" also have humanitarian goals,
at least as a front. For example, Hamas in the West Bank collects
funds to run schools, clinics, etc. Though of course some of those
funds are also used build bombs, buy rockets etc.

I don't know if Hamas has Facebook Fan page, but if they did you
can bet it will be showcasing the humanitarian side of their
operation. Joining this Fan Club might seem like a good idea, but
you would in fact be joining a terrorist group's Fan Club.
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Oh and by the way...
doug.hanchard@... 24th Feb 2010
I didn't use the example of the Human Law Project,
Georgetown University law professor David Cole did
before the Justices.
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Isn't this one of the reasons you people voted against the evil
"want to take your freedom away" Republicans and for the
"love, puppydogs and butterflies" Democrats?

Or, perhaps you were lied to. Hmmm...
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Don't be naive.
terry flores 24th Feb 2010
Under President Clinton, it was made a federal crime to make or use a "false statement" in any matter under the jurisdiction of the US Government (18 USC Section 1001). In essence, you are on the witness stand 24/7 in any federal matter. Under Bush, the original Patriot Act was voted for by a majority of Democrats.

It doesn't matter which party is in power, both of them have vested interests in removing the rights of the people and strengthening the authoritarian nature of today's Federal government. Both parties claim "good" motives for doing so, but in the end it puts all of us at the mercy of petty tyrants who go by the ironic name of "civil servants".
Well written, great job, Doug!
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