IE still required on FEMA site

By | September 19, 2005, 1:58pm PDT

Summary: As predicted here a week ago, FEMA’s website still requires applicants to use Internet Explorer to apply for aid. Last week there was heavy coverage of the fact that FEMA had said they were working on allowing other browsers to access the site. Today, FEMA’s message is the same as a week ago.

As predicted here a week ago, FEMA’s website still requires applicants to use Internet Explorer to apply for aid. Last week there was heavy coverage of the fact that FEMA had said they were working on allowing other browsers to access the site.  Today, FEMA’s  message is the same  as  a week ago:

Do I need Internet Explorer to Register for Assistance Online?

Yes

Currently to complete your application online you must be using Microsoft’s Internet Explorer 6.0 or above. We are in the process of modifying the application so that it will be available to additional browsers.

So, is this really hard? Or just not a priority? How about a status report?

 

 

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bmh129 29th Sep 2005
I'm sure there are forces at play coming from the direction of Redmond, Washington, that try to maintain a bit of a, dare I say, "monopoly."

However, I seriously doubt Bush and his cabinet sit down with Steve Balmer to figure out how to lock in Internet Explorer. It is more likely just an unfortunate matter of popularity and government lethargy, like you said.
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IE required on FEMA site
doc_cotton 21st Sep 2005
FEMA has their lunch pails full right now, and I wouldn't think modifying an app so it will run for other browsers would have any priority at all. It's to bad other browser will not comply with Microsoft standards, for if they would, there would be no problem.
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Microsoft Standards? HA!!!
Yinepuhotep 21st Sep 2005
There is no such thing as "Microsoft standards". Microsoft ignores international standards as established by every standards-making body in the world, creates their own non-standard systems, and then expects other people to dance to their tune.
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Microsoft Standards???
mdsmedia 21st Sep 2005
Standards have been set. Standards are met by other browsers. Standards are not met by M$. The people who develop the websites develop them for IE. It's not the others who should meet the standards. It's Micro$oft!!!
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MS Standards?!? What an idiot!
~rpb~ 21st Sep 2005
...Microsoft standards?!? I'm dying here, no stop it, you're killing me!

What an idiot...
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Good one!
angrykeyboarder 21st Sep 2005
Thanks for the laugh/flame bait! happy
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~rpb~ 21st Sep 2005
I'm ashamed of myself...deeply ashamed.
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But, he's still an idiot! Sheesh, I still can't believe he said that!
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No FEMA load exists to change browser
Update victim 22nd Sep 2005
This is a contracted function for FEMA. Their contractor has refused to supply access to non Microsoft browsers.
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Then the ciontractor is an @$$
MacGeek2121 28th Sep 2005
Anyone who writes websites for Microsoft only should be hanged at
sunrise. There is sup[posed to be freedom and equality in the USA.
What is all this "ignore the standards and write for Windows Only.
So, only users of Windows can get financial aide. Damn, just think
about the poor musician who exited N.O. with only his instrument
and his Powerbook. Iguess he'll starve because he doesn't meet the
MS BS criteria and uses a standars based web browser like Safari or
Firefox since IE for Mac stopped at 5.2.
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The correct term
Joe_Wulf@... 28th Sep 2005
is "Micro$loth"
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web standards
glocks out 28th Sep 2005
news flash: there is a group called World Wide Web Consortium that manages all the web standards. Microsoft doesn't use the universal web standards and creates their own.

as a web developer, i'm often frustrated to get IE to work with established web standards. other companies should not have to bend to fit the Microsoft standard, Microsoft should simply follow the guidelines of the W3.
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It'$ a political thingy
taylorwcjh@... 21st Sep 2005
$eem$ everytime we in education try to do bu$ine$$ on a government web$ite, we are blocked by the $ame IE only con$traint$ and God help u$ if u$e anything but M$ $erver$. Gue$$ who grea$e$ who$e pocket$...
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Always a conspiracy theory...
drhender 22nd Sep 2005
I realize that it's much more fun to dream up conspiracy theories and to slam Microsoft for being a standards-ignorant steam roller, but maybe, just maybe there's a simpler, less insidious, albeit boring explanation as to why FEMA's site (and many other governmental and non-governmental sites) require IE.

Let's face it, Internet Explorer is still the dominant browser. You can argue that it is inferior, less secure, non-compliant, etc., but that doesn't change the fact that IE commands more than 60% of the market share. (That 60% is actually quite conservative-- w3schools.com puts the IE market share at ~75%)

So, if you are a tired, mediocre web-developer, working for a government agency on an under-funded, boring little project and either didn't have the time, money or motivation to support your web application on a variety of browsers, it would only make sense to support IE and not the others. After all, with one foul swoop, you cover the majority of the population.

Is it good practice? Heck no. Is it fair or right? No. Is it difficult to support the other browsers (especially since most of 'the other browsers' are largely based on the Gecko engine and therefore fairly consistent)? Again, probably not. But is it a conspiracy between dark forces in our government and MS MegaCorp to squelch compatition from the little guys or prevent all Mac and Linux users from registering from Katrina assistance. No.
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No, it doesn't make sense
Sxooter_z 22nd Sep 2005
There are plenty of development systems that will make clean, working code, that functions fine on both IE and other "standards compliant" browers.

Thing is, if I develop an application to the STANDARD, and test it on mozilla / firebird, it will work fine on IE.

If I develop it with MS's development tools, and only test it on IE, it likely won't work on other browsers, and fixing it to do so will require as much more work as if I'd just started out doing it the right way.

IE may be 90% of the browser market, but it's not even available to folks running linux or BSD, and often, the parts that break for non-IE also break for IE on Mac.

There's a standard, it's hosted at www.w3.org, and it's not hard to code to. To do otherwise is a disservice to the people that are supposed to be served by their government.

If 90% of the population was white, would it be ok to only allow them access to the restrooms at the front of the building, and all the black folk get to go to the outhouse behind it?

Hell no, and the same stupid logic applies here. Everyone pays taxes, everyone should have access. Especially when it's only the lack of following the standard that denies me that access.
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Excellent points
Joe_Wulf@... 28th Sep 2005
Let me add another.... The REAL harm here is the allowance for inadequacy within or by the organization responsible. Yes they probably DID use Micro$loth-based tools to build their website.... so the real-world planning necessary to do business (from a Gov't -to- population perspective) goes out the door, as most Micro$loth-based solutions, still today, are NOT focused on the big picture. So neither are the tools provided.

But that not withstanding, the planning (if any) didn't include the SCOPE for a BIG-PICTURE perspective.
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Pay the toll
Unknown 29th Sep 2005
Sxooter: Ditto. A major highway...a bridge--the only way out of town.
The sign says: "Last exit. Pay toll $5.00 Fords Only" How many people own a Chevy ?
And exactly who's collecting the toll revenue?
Didn't US-CERT, The United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team, advise Americans over a year ago to discontinue using IE because of its incredibly high number of security issues? CERT just happens to be an adjunct to none other than the Dept. of Homeland Security. Supposedly, they were themselves in the process of migrating completely away from IE use as a safety measure they could no longer ignore, as well as advocating alternate browser use for all government agencies. It comes as no surprize that what's good for the goose, is not likewise for the gander when it comes to the government. As to conspiracy theory debunking. You devote an entire paragraph to "marketing shares" and percentages. Dominance, success, and popularity do not necessarily indicate quality,character, fair play, or the absolute right TO that success.
Marketing is THE TOOL.
Most who downplay conspiracy possibilities seem to assume that anyone who supposes that a conspiracy might be the case in any given instance, is talking about smoke filled rooms and guys dressed in black trench coats. Nope. Now they dress like good upstanding citizens, and take what they want, at the expense of whomever they want. The god of success in commerce has become so powerful, they even tell you to your face exactly WHAT they're doing and WHY they have a right. Everyone just smiles, and says "they're rich and successful, they must be doing SOMETHING RIGHT", and lets it pass, all in the name of "smart business practice". "The American Dream" does come true... Success is not the measure of intelligence nor good intentions. Microsoft has been allowed to comandeer excessive power Because of the legitimization of power mongering practices; one that amounts to a very real CORPORATE conspiracy,and one that is, in fact, tantamount to an Oligarchy (which is a full blown conspiracy if anything meets the definition) and all through...Marketing. What happened to anti-monopoly laws? Don't hear much about them lately-and when you do, the guilty party usually buys their way out with all the money they've made ILLEGALLY. Lobbyists dictate policy and hence, what WE do; WHO do THEY work for? How else would a greedy, power hungry capitalist do it...LEGITIMATELY? If you don't think these guys look out for each other--who's "in the club", then I've got a bridge to "sell you".

Conspiracy? It depends on whether or not one is ready to admit they can and do exist.
The big picture is usually the one that tells the truth--the little one only shows a piece, and can be colored to suit the purpose--every time--by the very ones who want, need to limit our vision.. Manipulation --Madison Ave. Style--came to Washington some time ago. We have just begun to feel the full force of its affect.
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Right, mostly
bmh129 29th Sep 2005
I'm sure there are forces at play coming from the direction of Redmond, Washington, that try to maintain a bit of a, dare I say, "monopoly."

However, I seriously doubt Bush and his cabinet sit down with Steve Balmer to figure out how to lock in Internet Explorer. It is more likely just an unfortunate matter of popularity and government lethargy, like you said.
I have a machine that was originally shipped with Windows ME from Compaq and still have not been able to install IE6 even in the "Safe" Mode! I have a family friend from Plaquarmine Parish, LA and needs to be able to apply to FEMA, but cannot on my machine. Since I am indirectly involved with a Katrina victim (still has not heard yet from her teenage son and daughter since the disaster), I could use all the help possible. I am connected via cable broadband.

Louis. . .
Louis A. Carliner
lcarliner@earthlink.net
Phone: (352) 238-1616
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Support Request
handydan918 28th Sep 2005
Thank you for your interest in Microsoft Internet Explorer. We have received your message and have arranged for travel logistics for both Mr. Ballmer and Mr. Gates. They will be in your area soon. Tru$t me.
-MicroSlop Support
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IE6 download
LuckyCharm 29th Sep 2005
Try downloading the IE6 update directly from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e1550cb-5e5d-48f5-b02b-20b602228de6&displaylang=en

Choose "Save," not "Run," when prompted. Then reboot and run the installation from Safe Mode.

If that fails, I believe MS still provides free tech support for installation issues.

Hope this helps!

~~Cheryl
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Konqueror?
handydan918 28th Sep 2005
Has anybody tried using Konqueror to "spoof" the M/S only sites?
(For all of you non-linux types, Konqueror is the web/file browser that ships with most Linux versions running the KDE desktop...)
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Don't know about Konquerer, but...
MRBOWTIE 28th Sep 2005
using Firefox/Mozilla with the "Usser Agent Switcher" extension installed, I was able to spoof IE6 and access the site.
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Standards are easy
dbrimlow 29th Sep 2005
What kills me, as a web developer, is that converting to web standards is not that hard ... converting it to work with different version of IE is the rub.

I recently converted a 2000 page IE designed website to web standards (took @ 1 month).

Then I happened to see it on a PC with IE 5.0. What a mess. Then I saw it on IE 5.0 for Mac. even bigger mess.

There is only one reason why MS will not conform to web standards ... all of their business apps generate "web pages" using the most hideous, frightening code immaginable. But that great ***** known as IE will make it look just fine.

If they made IE standards compliant, all of their other web generating apps would become worthless. So, at least I can understand, in a business sense, why they are not compliant.

However, if they are such a fine, out of the box thinking company, they would be able to have IE handle both. Unfortunately that would require work, actually doing more than copy paste and alter existing code. In other words, they would have to actually conceive of something new, that they can't borrow from someone else.
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Very difficult to support non-IE browsers!
mtalbutt@... 29th Sep 2005
It may be impossible for FEMA to expand access to non-IE browsers if they are using Microsoft's tools for creating the web page and backend data base, etc.

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