Is Wikileaks Julian Assange worse than Osama Bin Laden?

By | October 25, 2010, 7:21am PDT

Summary: Assange is, essentially, a terrorist. He needs to be stopped. He needs to be treated by the allies in the same way we’d treat any other terrorist.

On Friday, the rogue Web site Wikileaks released nearly 400,000 classified U.S. military documents about the Iraq war. This is the single largest leak in military history.

Remember our friends at Wikileaks? Previously, I wrote:

The question I’ve been asked is this: what do we do about it? I’ve previously explored the question of whether the site is “good” or “bad”. As I discussed previously, it’s reasonably clear that the site could well be a force for good, but because of its founder’s quest for glory over right, Wikileaks is, instead a danger to us all.

The problem is obvious. This is a Web site located outside the United States that has received stolen classified U.S. government information, and not only is releasing it to the public, but also is conducting a wide-spread PR campaign in the process.

So, how should we treat Julian Assange, the site’s more-than-loony founder?

Well, think about it. What type of activity is hacking into U.S. systems and stealing information, hiding it online and mirroring it from server to server to avoid the authorities? That’s the typical modus operandi for an online pirate or cyberterrorist. It’s not the behavior of a solid citizen.

Assange doesn’t really have a home. He’s on the run — not just from U.S. authorities, but from pretty much all Western governments. He’s not a terrorist in the sense that he didn’t fly a plane into a building, but cyberterrorism doesn’t work in quite the same was as meat-space terrorism.

Cyberterrorism has second-level effects, meaning that the actions of cyberterrorism don’t, in and of themselves, cause damage or death. Instead, the cyberattacks create the environment where damage can occur.

Here’s a good example. Assange’s release of confidential data won’t, as part of the action itself, kill anyone. After all, all he’s doing is copying a pile of files up to a server. But, once certain people get ahold of that data, they’ll get names of confidential informants, for example, and then go hunt down and kill those people.

It’s still terrorism. It just works a little differently.

So, Assange is, essentially, a terrorist. He needs to be stopped. He needs to be treated by the allies in the same way we’d treat any other terrorist. He needs to be captured, arrested, tried, and probably jailed.

Since Assange is such a publicity hound, maybe they’ll televise the trial.

So, is Wikileaks Julian Assange worse than Osama Bin Laden? I guess that depends on how many people die based on Assange’s actions.

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RE: Is Wikileaks Julian Assange worse than Osama Bin Laden?
sashamart Updated - 17th Sep
@cdrevolution8 I find it interesting how both the writer of this article and you fail to account for all the variables of this situation. The san francisco personal injury lawyer Pentagon has internally reported that none of wikileaks prior 90,000 documents affected military operations at all. If anything, information keeps people safe. The more the better. Hidden agendas are what sprouts differences between peoples and perpetuates the systemic military industrial complex's grip over information and who is deemed the savior at the end of each global conflict. The U.S's agenda is portland dentist no more filled with certainties than any other nation's. Furthermore, most of the people we've had pegged as enemies herded goats before our intervention in their states to rape their resources. The gluttony and hypocrisy of these emerging political systems only can lead to one direction and honestly, the internet is the greatest resource houston landscaping ever conceived to change the divide in the war for information. "Worse than Osama Bin Laden" he kills 3,000 of us, we bomb the hell out of a country that has nothing to do with it and kill about a million. Then we bomb afganistan.
Wikileaks serves as the first step in the process of destroying and rebuilding the status quo within the western hemisphere, period.
Have you ever thought that maybe what US is doing is not good by everyone's standards? Just because he opposes official politics of US, doesn't mean he is terrorist.

You think that Bush would have any second thoughts of releasing internal Iraqi documents to the public (maybe he even did release some, I have no idea) if he thought it would benefit him? Does that make him a terrorist? Should he be treated like such?

The only difference is that you think that what US is doing is "good" and what Sadam was doing was "bad".

But then again, who are you (or Bush or me) to judge?
@whatisreal Its one thing to oppose official politics of a country. Its a very different thing to hack into their systems and steal information that will cause the deaths of many people.
@cdrevolution8 He didn't hack it, it was another person that hacked it, get your facts straight, same goes to the author.
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@cdrevolution8 : Is it good for the US and West to kill scores of innocent civilians in the name of "War against terror", terror that they created against the Russians?
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@cdrevolution8 Leaking the information will most likely save lives, those of innocent civilians.
The only way to stop unnessecary deaths is to remove all allied troops.
@cdrevolution8 I find it interesting how both the writer of this article and you fail to account for all the variables of this situation. The Pentagon has internally reported that none of wikileaks prior 90,000 documents affected military operations at all. If anything, information keeps people safe. The more the better. Hidden agendas are what sprouts differences between peoples and perpetuates the systemic military industrial complex's grip over information and who is deemed the savior at the end of each global conflict. The U.S's agenda is no more filled with certainties than any other nation's. Furthermore, most of the people we've had pegged as enemies herded goats before our intervention in their states to rape their resources. The gluttony and hypocrisy of these emerging political systems only can lead to one direction and honestly, the internet is the greatest resource ever conceived to change the divide in the war for information. "Worse than Osama Bin Laden" he kills 3,000 of us, we bomb the hell out of a country that has nothing to do with it and kill about a million. Then we bomb afganistan.
Wikileaks serves as the first step in the process of destroying and rebuilding the status quo within the western hemisphere, period.
@cdrevolution8 that's right...get the US CITIZEN who leaked the docs in the first place...and oh, by the way, which person was it that was killed/murdered by virtue of these wikileaks?
Go blow bubbles my friend, far more useful than your editorial.
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An eye for an ey, Ziyan-Junaideen?
John Zern 26th Oct 2010
By your thinking, if a terrorist blows up a bus of kids in another country, that country should be wiped off the face of teh earth, innocents and all?

If what you say is true, how does leaking info that willget others killed any different.

Oh and Assange is on the run from rape charges.
Some "hero"
@cdrevolution8 That is a huge over exaggeration. He has never been accused of hacking into anything he received anything from someone who originally had access to them. That shows even more problems in the government but they won't focus on that they would rather focus on someone who is doing the public a huge favour and spend more tax money on useless ********.
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@cdrevolution8 I find it interesting how both the writer of this article and you fail to account for all the variables of this situation. The san francisco personal injury lawyer Pentagon has internally reported that none of wikileaks prior 90,000 documents affected military operations at all. If anything, information keeps people safe. The more the better. Hidden agendas are what sprouts differences between peoples and perpetuates the systemic military industrial complex's grip over information and who is deemed the savior at the end of each global conflict. The U.S's agenda is portland dentist no more filled with certainties than any other nation's. Furthermore, most of the people we've had pegged as enemies herded goats before our intervention in their states to rape their resources. The gluttony and hypocrisy of these emerging political systems only can lead to one direction and honestly, the internet is the greatest resource houston landscaping ever conceived to change the divide in the war for information. "Worse than Osama Bin Laden" he kills 3,000 of us, we bomb the hell out of a country that has nothing to do with it and kill about a million. Then we bomb afganistan.
Wikileaks serves as the first step in the process of destroying and rebuilding the status quo within the western hemisphere, period.
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@whatisreal one of the definitions of terrorist is "the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. " and he is producing a state of fear. That not even the point, first of all he is obtaining and posting documents that could put the lives of our troops in danger, not himself, not his company, other people's lives. there is no way he went through all 400000 pages to see exactly what he posted, so I am sure even he has no idea, he is doing this purely for publicity, not to protect the people from the government, and since I dont believe in god, I can judge him. If he was doing this to prove some point about illegal activities, or uncovering some conspiracy then maybe I can see it, but he's not, in fact its already been said that even with those 400000 pages no new information is being released, just the details like names and places. so yes, this man is a terrorist, he is trying to scare the people of US and that my friend is terrorism.
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Julian is only a symptom...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 25th Oct 2010
@nickdangerthirdi@... What you should be more concerned about is who is the mole, that is passing intel out... And if our cyber space is being hacked, well then perhaps our Government needs to spend more on intrusion detection, and secure data access. Flush out the mole, secure our intel, and then Julian will just go away. Solve the problem, not the symptom.
@nickdangerthirdi@... Don't get me wrong here, I support what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, but your definition of terrorism would much more easily apply to US foreign policy.

Also, as far as their effort at removing identifiable information from the files, there are a number of document compliance packages that do this.

In another way, he's doing the US a huge service. Perhaps now we will take information security more seriously. How could this have happened not once, but twice? If wikileaks is making an honest effort to protect individuals, then why would our protections for the press not apply to him?
@nickdangerthirdi@... You might also consider another possibility like CIA psyops. Why? Here's my reasons:
* He is still alive and moves freely in London and Europe, despite the US policy to kill anyone who presents danger to the US. The release has been known in advance for a few month.
* He has a huge media publicity that is known to suppress such information unless powers that be want to release it.
* The docs show nothing new or what we were not aware of.
* The docs put blame for killings on insurgents and friendly fire maintaining a picture of insurgency. No mention of such things: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/124278-British-Government-s-Agent-Provocateurs-Exposed
* The docs reduce the number of war death from 900 000 (UN accepted number) to 100 000.
* Blame on the next targets: Pakistan and Iran.
* Learnt on previous case "Pentagon papers" they play this one by their rules.
All this PR seems to plant new info of future targets, maintain picture of "war on terror" and suck the world anger that may spill out somewhere where they don't expect it.
@nickdangerthirdi@... nick your defintion is silly; it is a totally subjective as to whther someone is in a state of fear. Julian, for example, could say that the US Government creates a state of fear, and is therefore a terrorist organization. The at wouldn't be correct.

Julian is dedicated to nonviolence and is a deeply moral person.
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@whatisreal
There is a fine balance to be walked here. The US has, according to the media, covered-up/classified systematic torture, violence and possibly outright murder by US soldiers against the people of the occupied/invaded nation and ignored the evidence and therefore justice has not prevailed.

Is this right that this can occur? Is it right it is covered up? Doesnt that make the US as bad as any oppressing dictator?

On the other hand... If the acts described above were handled behind close doors, so justice is carried out but it isn't in the public domain... then I have no issues for the documents to remain classified to protect the innocent soldiers from retribution... until an event occurs (end of the conflict/withdrawal) that means that the soldiers are not in harms way.

Disclosing classified documents is a serious matter and the people who are involved should be protected by similar whistle-blower laws where the leaks are responsible. However simply leaking all the documents to the Internet without first releasing to the powers of the country in question so justice can occur is in my opinion, simply irresponsible & wrong.
But unfortunately secrecy, even reasonable are required secrecy, will always breed distrust.

The reality is that international laws have not kept up with the pace of change in the world.
@whatisreal

Do the 100,000 plus dead Iraquis get a vote? In the end, soldiers are authorised killers. If you are given that sort of responsibility then you better make sure you do the right thing and you prosecute those who don't. Unfortunately, soldiers occasionally make mistakes, exercise bad judgement or get lazy or scared and deaths and war crimes happen.

It's an insult to the honorably serving soldiers to allow war crimes to go unpunished. Thanks to Julian Assange (and no thanks to those keeping these reports secret) and others like him we can find out the truth and take appropriate action.

The truth will set you free. Just try and handle the truth wink
@whatisreal bush is/was a terrorist. He invaded Iraq under false pretenses of WMD...how many innocent people (men, women and children) did he kill....thousands....
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@whatisreal
Iraq war II left no fewer than 500,000 orphans in its wake.
Let them judge!
@hiraghm
we reap what we sow!
what do you mean with "finished the job"? If the job was to sow hatred, so congratulations, mission accomplished! Or do you mean "finish with the rest of the world"? The guy with the funny mustache in the 30ies was even more effective in this matter.
@VMeier

That's a shame. That's 500,000 Iraqis our children may have to fight, since we haven't finished the job
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@whatisreal I just want him dead, ASAP.
@whatisreal Right on. Gewirtz is really just a propagandist, and his thoughts are as constipated as his mouth runs...
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wtf is wrong with you americans?
G.Templeton 25th Oct 2010
Wikileaks publishes documents that document US war crimes, puts the legitimization of that (unlawful) war in question and now you want to execute him? Wtf! Kill everyone who has another opinion than you "glorious" americans?! Have you ever thought about that the war in Irak could actually be wrong (no legitimization of the UN, remember?) and that your grand nation has a lot of dirt on its jacket? These documents prove that and you want to execute the persons who stands behind an organization that is opposed to secret intelligence agencies and therefore a bringer of transparency, a major value of democratic states. Shame on you!
@G.Templeton

Irak= Iraq
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In spanish is the same Irak/Iraq
Pandorum 25th Oct 2010
@MLHACK
English forum but people from around the world.
@MLHACK That depends on what country you're in. In some places, it's Irak. We don't use the Arabic alphabet, so I guess we're (in the US) wrong also by some people's standards.
@MLHACK maybe he watched FOX TV ... remember their stupid mantra...attack Iraq (or is that Arrack). That war and others have nearly bankrupted the US, all for nothing...like Viet Nam, Grenada, Somalia, Lebanon, and all those other glorious battles and wars from which your poor men and women limped home in defeat and disgrace. That is such a waste and so sad.
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@G.Templeton Really? if thats the case then why have there been no cases brought to trial from the release of these documents? other than breaches of national security? because there have been no war crimes, and just because YOU think there were, isnt proof enough, and let me guess you are probably from france, or some other nation that has begged us for help in the past, how would you like it if the documents released had harmed our ability to save you from Hitler? you'd be spreken zie deutsch.... so until you can actually defend yourself, please keep your stupid opinions to yourself.
@nickdangerthirdi@...

WOW what a intelligent piece of brain. If you would know your how history 1775-1783 the involvement of France in the american revolution. If the France did not support the revolution ..... And sell you gun and gunpowder you would be kiss the queen behind today ......


What a piece of brain .
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@nickdangerthirdi@...
There are war crimes in every bloody war in history. The wikileaks documents speak about that. Or did you forgot the waterbording issues in Afghanistan and now in Iraq/k. Just because your government is not talking about them that doesn't mean there aren't any!! Its bad publicity for every country fighting in the war. Public support is decreasing rapidly and 7 years after the invasion it should be common knowledge that the reasons for that war were just lies and false promises. Ok, the damage is done (hundred thousands of civil victims and thousands of brave soldiers). But it is necessary to enlighten the bad things that happend, even war crimes. It is just rightful that crimes against humanity become public and that the perpetrators get a fair trail and punishment if they are guilty. The victims of the crime (families etc.) should get justice. That is how we in Europe understand law.
Assange has nothing to do with that. His organization was just publishing documents that were given to them by military internals. It is basically the function of free democratic press (if you in America can remember what that means). Remember Watergate? You want to execute the newspaper journalists who published that whole thing as well?
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@nickdangerthirdi@... Right up to the point where Japan bombed Pearl Harbour, National Polls in the USA showed that the average American was quite happy to give Hitler a free hand. Not a detectable TRACE in Joe Public's mind of anti-Hitler sentiment. Then Hitler declared war on the USA (unwisely anticipating that Japan would respond by declaring war on the USSR) and suddenly, magically, the USA realised that it had ALWAYS been against Hitler. Sadly, not against it enough to be noticeable when Hitler was annexing Czechoslovakia, or invading Poland... I already speak German - fluently - but the nation that stopped Germany in its tracks wasn't the USA... but the USSR. It's amazing how consistently (and self-servingly) inaccurate Americans' memory of "history" tends to be. But then... what else could we expect from the country that LOVES freedom and democracy...(except when it's sponsoring anti-democratic coups, or propping up right-wing dictators - which is the reality most of the time.)
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Consider the source
HollywoodDog 25th Oct 2010
@G.Templeton ... the author of this article has a 'relationship' with the US government, and is therefore expressing views which will please it. (If he didn't have these views, he wouldn't be working for them.)

Our media is so corrupted by trying to curry favor with the powerful that it will always take the governments side of every question, and most individuals here lack sufficient information to reach any conclusions.

Please don't come away from this contraversy with the impression that Americans are all like the "good Germans" who knew exactly what was being done and went along with it. Yes, we have many good Germans, but at least as many who are not.

Our government however is another story. It's a bloodthirsy wild animal intent on global domination, and willing to exterminate anyone and everyone who gets in the way of that.

If there's a shred of "good" news associated with that it's that history shows that nations which seek to achieve their destiny of world domination through military conflict, don't.
@G.Templeton you are so wrong...it is not dirt on the jacket but blood on the hands. OK OK maybe some dirt on the clothes.
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@G.Templeton

First, we didn't commit warcrimes, second, had we committed warcrimes, there's a thing known as "due process", third, if that opinion leads those people to harming America or Americans then yes, kill them.

The U.N. is not itself a legitimate organization, rife with corruption from the start.

We also desire to keep the intelligence from the enemy, not our own citizenry. We have a thing called the "intelligence committee" in our Congress, and it is most probable that Congress is aware of what is going on in the war. Oversight is their job. So, as the people's representatives know what's going on with the war, and the enemy doesn't, your argument falls flat on its face.

The war, BOTH THEATERS (of the same war) is legitimate. Iraq fired on our warplanes in violation of the armistice. Iraq did build and use WMDs. Iraq did obstruct U.N. inspectors, which was another violation of the armistice. Iraq did provide aid and comfort to Al Qaeda.
Iraq's leadership was a despotic tyranny which did abuse, torture and murder its own citizens.

And if we're so evil as you claim, I suggest you shut the hell up before our Suaron-like gaze focuses upon your country.
I cannot say whether our actions (the US) are good or bad. I feel we got lost in our response to 9-11. But that has nothing to do with releasing classified documents. By nature they will do harm to the interests of the US. It's illegal to publish them. Other individuals or governments will use the data and people can or will be hurt by it.

The release during the Bush presidency, in the end, was fabricated. It was produced to generate a desired affect. Yes it did lead to lives lost. If publishing false information is bad how can publishing indiscriminately true information better. I'm for a free press shedding light on information. This isn't press it's a data dump; stolen then dumped on the streets. The request for blackmail money puts a nasty spin on it also.

Arrest him.
It seems you are more concerned with one person being arrested than thousands of civilians being murdered by "liberation" forces.
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Yup
Economister 25th Oct 2010
@pamijares

Just call all the evidence "classified" and you can cover up any atrocity you like. The right wing nuts (or is it wingnuts) in the US need to get some historical perspective, including the blog author. It is a VERY slippery slope some of them are on.
@pamijares it seems you are more concerned with one cause of deaths than, say, the tens of thousands being murdered by 'freedom fighters'
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Ooooooo.
People Updated - 25th Oct 2010
@Economister
"wingnuts" - You're on fire!
@clif@... The US Government treats every document as classified, from missile codes to lunch menus. If a war crime is committed, and the document is classified, I am in favor of a leak. If this was some African government killing thousands of innocent civilians, we would not be having this discussion.
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Except.
People 25th Oct 2010
@jcmg These documents are not filtered. There was plenty of classified information released that does not involve war crimes and is arguably even related.
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One time during Bushco,
HollywoodDog 25th Oct 2010
@jcmg ... they drafted a list of talking points for their surrogates to repeat on the Sunday morning news shows, and stamped the document "Top Secret."

That is the seriousness which you should accord to the government and its idea of what merits secrecy.
@clif@... Why do you think that all the world is the US. Assange is not a US citizen, nor has any allegiance to the US in anyway. He's acting out of pure openness of information. If its not helping US interests, tough. He's not an American.
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David, you fool!
pamijares 25th Oct 2010
It seems you were paid by the US Government to brainwash your readers with their ideas of turning a "good (I presume)" person definitely into a terrorist.

While releasing clasiffied info is bad and has a punishment, it isn?t nearly as bad as torturing and murdering innocent people on a country abroad.

You should focus your opinion on that which is what is most important. Why did this happen in the first place and why no one bothered to stop it? Our military forces, with all their might, budget, intellingent people, couldn?t have done anything to avoid the deaths of so many civilians? Like... honestly?

People who oppose the government are not necessarly terrorits, and examples of that are all the heroes that fought for the independence of their countries in the past. However, you don?t seem to know this and all you say is terrorist, terrorism, cyberterrorism, over and over again for people without strong opinions to take as their own.

Manipulative people like you are dangerous to all.

XOXO
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@pamijares Thats because anyone who uses fear to control anyone else is a terrorist, and thats exactly what this guy is doing, if he was a real patriot then he would stay in the US and fight any charges that were brought against, but he knows what he did is illegal AND wrong, and has fled the country. another thing a terrorist does is not take credit for what he has done. so dont try to martyr this guy, he has not done this country any favors.
@nickdangerthirdi@... Wake up. He's not an American. He doesn't have to be a 'patriot' to the US. He's not a US citizen. Jeez, buy a clue.....
@pamijares Back when Bushco was drumming up support for invading Iraq, the USA redrafted its list of "terrorist organisations." If you supported the USA's actions, then anyone who opposed your government (regardless of how vile a government it might have been) got automatically redesignated as a "terrorist organisation". The way REAL laws work is to define a criminal act in terms of the act itself. The USA increasingly shows that it is NOT "a nation governed by the rule of law" (regardless of HOW much they wave around a worthless piece of paper which they call a "constitution".) A "war on terrorism" is inevitably going to be a joke IF you define a "terrorist" as "someone we happen not to like". But, conversely, if a person puts a bomb on board a civilian plane causing it to explode over the Atlantic, killing everybody on board, labeling the perpetrator a "Freedom fighter" if the target happens to be Cuban. The bomber lived happily in Florida, protected by the US Government, which flatly refused to extradite him. Made GW's later prouncements about "if you support terrorists then you ARE a terrorist" ring totally hollow.
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Is David Gewirtz evil?
VMeier 26th Oct 2010
@pamijares
it's not only brainwash. I call it incitement to murder.
Can I say "stone David Gewirtz to death!" when I don't agree with the crap he is writing here?
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Hi David,

I have to appreciate your courage in explaining only one side of the story even though being a news analyst, you should have analysed in broader perspective.

I wish you could have done little more homework and atlest presented , "why in a first place someone would take this huge risk of leaking and what did we gain out of it"

We need this to open eyes of those people who blindly trust the processes followed by Defense Dept to abide by the law. And only such events may change such processes. Just like any other gov departments irrgularities may be in Defense dept and someone has to bring it to public notic. How cn you bring such irrugalarities to attention of you and me when they have very strong law of Shielding every information on the name of "Secrecy" at their disposal. I hope we atlest agree that innocent human lives have utmost value, regardless of any law. It may not be hard to feel the pain of families of those "missing" 15000 lives, if just for 60 sec you close your eyes and think about your loved one missing and later gaining the knowledge that someone deliberately hold the information about your missing son/daughter/father/mother.

What disappoints me is that you did not even comment on redaction process wikileaks people followed in order not to compromise the peace efforts, when they could have simple placed all on web. I think we need to wake up and question such events, rather than just defending on the name of patriotism. I am not sure how you can compare "Killing someone with clear intent to kill, which definitely results in deaths" with "Bringing deliberately hidden human rights violations incidents to public attention, which may result in unintentional war causality". You would agree that right to know what happened to your loved ones, why they were dead is the one we always enjoyed and should be allowed to them too, isnt it? If you are a powerful entity, and if someone leaks your wrongdoings, obvioulsy you will try to chase him down regardless of whats right and wrong. Same applies to US Gov. Assange clearly mentioned that any sensitive details including "confidential informants" has been redacted, contradictory to that, you presented same as an example in your editorial !!
I wish you could have heard Assnage carefully and comeup with discrepencies between what he said and whats on his site.

Its easy to intemedate hardworking Americans, which is exactly why we need honest and fact finding news analyst, which in my humble openion, you have long way to go.

Regarless I would like to thank you for your time and efforts to atlest bring such events to public attention.

Keep up the good work.
@lordofrings2006 : Ensuring by trial that one has broken the law is all that matters. This mushy 'understanding your enemies plight' idea leads only to the ruin of those that ask the question.

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