Justice says $1.9 million verdict is constitutional

By | August 17, 2009, 12:46pm PDT

Jammie Thomas-Rasset was hit with a $1.9 million verdict for filesharing 24 songs — roughly $80,000 per song. Is that even constitutional? Thomas-Rasset’s lawyers filed an appeal saying it’s not. Friday, the Justice Department weighed in with an opinion that it is (PDF).

Under the Copyright Act’s statutory damages provision, the jury had a wide berth to assign damages - anywhere from $750 to $30,000 for standard violations and from $30,000 to $150,000 for “willful violations.” The argument is basically that such high numbers are punitive in nature and punitive damages need to bear some resemblance to actual damages. With actual damages in the realm of $1 per song, the ratios are clearly beyond the pale of “reasonableness.”

In a memorandum to the court, the Justice Department first attacks the defendant’s reliance on the famous BMW v. Gore case, in which the U.S. Supreme Court knocked down a jury’s punitive damages award, finding that at 100 times actual damages the verdict violated due process. The Justice Department’s argument is that the Gore decision only applies to jury awards. A different case - the 1919 case of St. Louis IM&S Ry. Co. v. Williams - controls statutory damages laws like the Copyright Act, the Justice Dept. said.

Under Williams, a courtis to examine whether an award within a statutory range is “so severe and oppressive as to be wholly disproportioned to the offense and obviously unreasonable” by considering whether Congress has·given “due regard for the interests of the public, the numberless opportunities for committing the offen’se, and the need for securing uniform adherence to [the law].”

The commonsense argument, Justice says, is that the Court never intended the rule in Gore to apply to statutory damages laws because statutory damages are drafted specifically because actual damages are minimal. Statutory damages create a deterrent effect in cases where actual and reasonably related punitives do not. For example, if the actual value of a song is $1, appropriate punitives would only be $4-$5, not enough to discourage people from engaging in the behavior. In such cases, Congress creates statutory damages to make the penalty sufficiently painful. Thus, Justice says, it makes no sense to apply the due process concerns of Gore to the Copyright Act.

In addition, a wrongdoer would have no idea what kind of punitives a jury might come up with. The rule of Gore serves to limit a jury’s discretion to some ratio of actual damages. By contrast, the statutory damages in the Copyright Act are published (and well publicized), so due process concerns don’t apply.

If Justice is correct and Williams controls, the question is whether the Copyright Act’s penalties are “so severe and oppressive” to be obviously unreasonable.” I could argue they are but the standard seems to be whether the legislature has considered the public interest.

In any case, Justice says, the constitutional issue need not even be reached.

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DOJ's role generally is to defend the current laws
rkoman@... 18th Aug 2009
I think it would be a rare case where the DOJ
would argue a law should be overturned (although
I believe Obama just said as much about the
federal marriage law).
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Are there no restraints built into the constitution ...
P. Douglas Updated - 17th Aug 2009
... concerning punishments fitting the crime when it comes to statutary law? Does this mean that it is perfectly legal for Congress to pass a law stating that it is e.g. okay to amputate a man's hands (or even hang him), if is found that he steals music files - in order to obtain a deterrent effect?
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The only thing stopping...
bjbrock 17th Aug 2009
this would be the supreme court determining the law to be unconstitutional. Or perhaps a revolution.
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According to Wikipedia ...
P. Douglas Updated - 17th Aug 2009
... the Eight Amendment seems to restrain Congress in the areas of excessive fines and punishments not fitting crimes. Of course, I'm not a lawyer.
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One more thing ...
P. Douglas Updated - 17th Aug 2009
A different case - the 1919 case of St. Louis IM&S Ry. Co. v. Williams - controls statutory damages laws like the Copyright Act, the Justice Dept. said.

'Under Williams, a courtis to examine whether an award within a statutory range is "so severe and oppressive as to be wholly disproportioned to the offense and obviously unreasonable - by considering whether Congress has-given "due regard for the interests of the public, the numberless opportunities for committing the offen'se, and the need for securing uniform adherence to [the law]."'

The commonsense argument, Justice says, is that the Court never intended the rule in Gore to apply to statutory damages laws because statutory damages are drafted specifically because actual damages are minimal. Statutory damages create a deterrent effect in cases where actual and reasonably related punitives do not.


Again, I'm not a lawyer. But it seems as if in the case the Justice department referenced, the court found that it is proper for it to review Congressional law, to see if the law was crafted consistent with the Eight Amendment. In addition, Wikipedia indicates that the Eight Amendment was specifically drafted to prevent the temptation by the government, to go after individuals in a disproportionate manner, even in light of the severe ramifications of the person's actions.

(The following is a quotation from the Wikipedia article:

The provision was largely inspired by the punishment in England of Titus Oates, who was a fixture on the London pillory circuit during the reign of King James II in the 1680s. Oates has also become a fixture of the U.S. Supreme Court's Eighth Amendment jurisprudence. The punishment of Oates involved ordinary penalties collectively imposed in an excessive and unprecedented manner. The perjury committed by Oates resulted in the death penalty for innocent people whom he had falsely accused; the reason Oates did not receive the death penalty may be because it would have deterred even honest witnesses from testifying in later cases.)

Now if the drafters of the constitution found it reasonable to restrain Congresss in the above scenario in which a man lied several times which led several people to their deaths, how much more do you think the drafters of the Constitution believe restraint should be assured a person found guilty of swapping about 24 digital files, worth about $24?

In other words, it seems as if the Justice Department's argument that statutory damages need to be set artificially high (at least in some cases) to act as a deterrent, runs afoul of the Eight Amendment, which specifically states that this cannot take place.
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Public interest? Where have you been?
fr0thy2 Updated - 17th Aug 2009
It's all about bullsiht numbers. Quality of life can go to hell. As long as the fat cats get fatter and the obese get obeser (sorry, more obese) and the mouse wielding monkeys are kept stupid then all is ok and you may all sleep with a clear conscience.

It'll put you in a fantastic position to try to keep bleating to the rest of the world of how the future should look right?

I do feel for the educated amongst you.
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She should not have used a lawyer...
bjbrock 17th Aug 2009
from academia. The difference between the classroom and the real world is tremendous. If he couldn't make a case for the RIAA being involved in criminal justice (which is nothing more than vigilante) then what chance does he stand making any other case.

This professor acted so cocky when he took over the case he was bound to lose. She needs a real attorney if she hopes to win this appeal.
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Seems like it depends on who you are!
kd5auq Updated - 17th Aug 2009
Back on the subject of One-Sided justice ....
here in Texas the "pro-business" legislature/governor have made it impossible for consumers to protect themselves agaist abuses.
If this was a judgement against a business instead of an individual - DARN TOOTIN RIGHT there would be a lynching of an "activist judge"!
Look at how much Sony moaned, groaned, and complained about having to pay to have their root-kit screw-up removed from user's computers! .... and it was peanuts!
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If this was a judgement against a business instead of an individual - DARN TOOTIN RIGHT there would be a lynching of an "activist judge"!

The fines have always been determined by juries.
Our bought and paid for Supreme Court keeps overturning jury awards (if an appleals court screws up and leaves them intact). Calm rational "non-activist" jurist keep protecting their vested interests!
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of her peers felt like she should be punished to this extent. Obviously some people are tire of common criminals stealing others property. Copyright thieves are just common criminals. They should actually do time in my opinion. They have ruined P2P for legitimate uses. I wonder how they would feel if someone walked in and ripped off their PC.
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Or it could be that....
Economister 17th Aug 2009
unthinking "sheep" jurors are just as easy to find as unthinking "sheep" posters here.
Being a greedy bastard is everything these days ....
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You don't want them developing bad habits that might compromise them in the world after school wink
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Yeah death penalty for downloaders! You freepers have no morals what soever.
and then sued them.

After all, that's all that they're doing.
off of the low paid masses. It's a very bright future that the USA is showing us. It must be the way to go, surely?

One day, one company can own everything. Woohoo!
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The american way~
beldar33@... Updated - 17th Aug 2009
As you state clearly and plainly...greed is constitutional and represents the underlying motivator in the american dream. Where else can MegaCorporations that are complaining about their $10 billion in PROFITS this quarter being 3% lower than anticipated and hence they need to lay off 5000 people to meet their dividend predictions to investors. Wonder how many millions in undisclosed payoffs were made to congressmen and senators to pass this type of ridiculous legislation???
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The real american way
Mectron 17th Aug 2009
is to simply buy the judge, jury and verdict you need. That is exacly what happeneed in this case. The RIAA have destroyed more american lives then any terrorist ever did, and yet, they are still permitated to operated. Even Barrack Obanana give them his blessing. (in exchange for a huge bag with a $ sign on it of course)
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Actually, the modern American way
frgough 17th Aug 2009
seems to be to stink like a rotten corpse with envy over anyone who has
what you don't.
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But cronie-capitalism will destroy the constitution. Buying legislation (sorry the dems and republicans both are guilty) is how democracy turns to facism.
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Again, whats stopping you from
No_Ax_to_Grind 17th Aug 2009
rolling out a better way? Ah thats right, common sense...
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I'm not suing people ...
fr0thy2 Updated - 17th Aug 2009
What's stopping the RIAA from modernising and getting with the plan?

I'll tell you what : You're all being made to look backwards. It's all fighting and jostling about bullying people to keep yesterday's status quo.

THE NUMBER ONE THING that must change is the expectation that because you have money you should get more free money. That is the sickest thing that humans do. You won't understand though, you haven't even gotten past Microsoft yet.
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While, of course,
frgough 17th Aug 2009
your desire to pay the absolute minimum price for the maximum gain in
all your transactions is born out of the pure altruistic essence of your
morally superior nature.
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They have fools for lawyers
No_Ax_to_Grind 17th Aug 2009
This is a civil case, it has nothing to do with the Constitution.
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Hey, look what that oppressive country does to its citizens!
Justic should really have said it was LEGAL as it is written in the copyright law that Congress passed and President Clinton signed into law (with legal advice of all the media companies of course) of the fines that can be imposed by violating the copyright law. The constitutional aspect is really a separate issue to decide if the resulting fine is excessive to the crime. Remember, the whole copyright was premised on printing up copies of books and was designed when it WAS difficult to do and the fines were meant to punishe those that did so - a realatively small number of people.
With the technology now, someone could accidently share out a few thousand songs, and be fined a few billion dollars. Of course that is one way to balance the Federal budget - use the accounts receivable as real income and we can wipe out our 4 trillion dollar debt this year. That is Enron worked - and no one audits the Federal Government.
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Since
Mectron 17th Aug 2009
The complaint was from a know extremly dangerous homegrown terrorist organisation:The RIAA. No serious court of law whould not even listen to this non sense.

The USA justice system is just a branch of the RIAA, MPAA and co.

I did it all in the name of business I hear him cry.
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Well, you may be right, because.....
Economister 17th Aug 2009
if I am not mistaken, all the clean-up and reconstruction added to the GDP.
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I think it would have been wise....
Economister 17th Aug 2009
for the DOJ to stay out of this, given how the DCMA come into being in the first place, and that ultimately, it is for the Supreme Court to decide the constitutionality of these damages, and not the DOJ. While I have been an admirer of Obama, I think less of him for allowing the DOJ to support the RIAA in this case.
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I do believe you're going to the dogs.
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Your hypocrisy reeks
frgough 17th Aug 2009
You shout and yell accusations of greed. Why? Because they aren't letting
you keep enough of your money. But, of course, in your case, wanting to
spend less for something isn't greed. That's just your altruistic,
charitable nature at work.
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Careful......
Economister 17th Aug 2009
so you don't blow a fuse from all that mind blowing, tortured logic of yours. No sane person would defend the status quo the way you do without significant vested interest. Connected to the RIAA by any chance?
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I think it would be a rare case where the DOJ
would argue a law should be overturned (although
I believe Obama just said as much about the
federal marriage law).
great minds. I wonder if the courts are actually constitutional or just another business that tax payers bail out yearly.
Too bad our "supreme leader" got booted out of office. Oh, for the return of the "good old days"! (IE: these decisions make the Taliban look downright just and civilized.)
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Pure Greed
catlover1982 18th Aug 2009
As many have stated, greed is the American way. Greed is what brought the housing industry down(sub-prime mortgage loans). Greed is why companies are still laying off despite the recession being "over". Greed is why Microsoft is the "leading" software company.

Now, for those out there that say the judgment is right, let me put this into perspective:

I just got a speeding ticket for going 89 MPH in a 70MPH zone. Should my ticket be the $92.00(what Nashville's city laws say) or according to the DoJ, should my fine should be $50,000 since this is my third ticket for speeding in 2 years? I mean according to DoJ's logic, I'm a repeat defender and by God, they should make an example out of me to the people to say speeding is bad, very bad and I should pay or have my license revoked.

Now where's the logic in that? Where's the logic in fining a common citizen, like myself, $1.92M, or $80,000/per song? Did the artist(or in greed's case, the recording label) really suffer that much damage? Especially since, if they are popular, they get paid for downloads from iTunes, people out there still buy albums and then there is the merchandise, concerts, etc.?

USE YOUR BRAIN DOJ!
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It's Congress's brains that are at issue
rkoman@... 18th Aug 2009
Congress passed this law that effectively fines
you $50,000 for speeding three times. Now the
question is, did Congress have a Constitutional
right to do so? I totally agree that the
correct fine for this sort of violation is the
equivalent of a speeding ticket. But Congress
chose a different path.

I tend to think that DOJ is correct that the
very deferential standard of Williams applies.
The issue isn't whether Congress was correct;
the issue is whether what Congress did violates
the Constitution. Clearly, DOJ is reminding the
court that the bar is very high.

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