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NY commits to open formats as MSFT supports ODF

By | May 23, 2008, 3:10pm PDT

Summary: New York’s CIO, Dr. Melodie Mayberry-Stewart (left), submitted a report to the governor and legislature, embracing open document formats but steering clear of picking favorites. Open document formats are a necessity since NY law requires the state to “conduct its business in an open, interoperable and transparent manner.” But, unlike Massachusetts, New York isn’t about [...]

New York’s CIO, Dr. Melodie Mayberry-Stewart (left), submitted a report to the governor and legislature, embracing open document formats but steering clear of picking favorites.

Open document formats are a necessity since NY law requires the state to “conduct its business in an open, interoperable and transparent manner.” But, unlike Massachusetts, New York isn’t about to announce that there is one standard the entire government must use.

“In the office suite format debate, there currently is no compelling solution for the State’s openness needs.”


Openness is only one factor in the state’s overall requirements. Another key factor is the need to preserve documents in a form as close to the original format as possible.

“State Archives emphasizes creating records in open formats makes it easier to preserve their essential characteristics and demonstrates they are authentic.”

This comes just days after Microsoft announce it would support the open source format ODF, as well as Adobe’s PDF, natively in future versions of Office – and the ISO version of OOXML in Office 14.

After all of the accusation and recriminations around ISO approval of OOXML, people should realize that Microsoft is serious and genuine around supporting standards-based formats, said Peter O’Kelly of the Burton Group in a phone call this morning.

New York is saying, let’s check the facts here. People are saying Microsoft is trying to subvert the standards. But as objective entities like New York check the facts, the reality is there are very good formats in this area and which one you choose is a function of the kind of work you’re doing.

There will always be multiple formats, multiple implementations and multiple standards bodies. “What’s important is that we’ve moved from proprietary and binary formats to open XML formats, O’Kelly said.

States will be the market leaders because they don’t have an agenda. … It’s the irrefutably neutral position of government agencies that will finally get reasonable people to consensus. The surprise for some people will be that Microsoft really did play fair. They have to play fair as a convicted monopolist.

Microsoft has made commitments to do things that are good for both ODF and OOXML. You can’t cheat with the ISO– if you contribute, its in there, in perpetuity. It’s no longer Microsoft-controlled.
Ultimately, its not about ODF or OOXML; its about communities who conflate open standards with open source and people who – not without justification –think that Microsoft would cheat if it could. The reality is Microsoft isn’t cheating; they’re spending a lot of resources holding themselves to a higher standard.

Ultimately, we’ll have to see what Office’s support for ODF look like. But O’Kelly expects it so be strong.

They can’t deliver an ODF implementation that is deficient compared to competitors. Much to some people’s chagrin, they will ship very good ODF support. There will be some things you simply can’t do in ODF you can do in OOXML.

But that’s the nature of the standards. OOXML, as many have criticized, is hugely more lengthy than ODF. “The onus is on Microsoft to play fair and be at parity with the best ODF support out there,” O’Kelly said.

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They want a standard not controlled by MS -
SpikeyMike 27th May 2008
As I pointed out in prior talkbacks, the 'WORLD' is looking for a standard that is not controlled by Microsoft. Actually, one that is not controlled by commercial interests, but you get the idea.

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"The fact that almost a billion people are already using Microsoft's "defacto standard" file format, and yet the world is looking for an alternative. Hence my professional opinion that the ODF spec is better suited to solve the business problem at hand, because it's not from Microsoft."

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=43114&messageID=797423&start=-9763

Some folks took exception to that, but in the end, the truth is clear to see. At least, clear to people that can think for themselves.

-Mike
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"Embrace, Extend, Extinguish"?
AySz88 23rd May 2008
O'Kelly's comments are not exactly reassuring to me - they are actually a bit scary. They recall Microsoft's old strategy of "embrace, extend, extinguish" used against Netscape and such: they deliver mediocre support, "extend" it with dubious features not within the standards, then go "hah, see, our own stuff is so much better, because does (insert dubious or legacy feature here) better!" Maybe it'll be something silly, like "WordArt" or slide transitions or Visual Basic macros, which unfortunately are widely used. Of course, one of the points to having an open standard is that you need to go through a process to revise or change anything, to ensure it's a good idea - so they might not be able to do this under the radar. But there's many ways to excuse "extend"-like behavior.

Don't know yet if they'll do this, of course. Personally, I'll believe that they'll provide a good ODF implementation when I see it.
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Excellent post. Thank you. (nt)
Basic Logic 24th May 2008
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is because they are going to be required more and more to support a standard document format. Especially for government applications. And, OOXML is too flaky for even Microsoft to support. They say Office 14 but I say never. Microsoft and the ISO will take a black eye over OOXML.
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"States will be the market leaders because they don???t have an agenda. ??? It???s the irrefutably neutral position of government agencies that will finally get reasonable people to consensus."

Decision by politically assigned committees aren't likely to be based on any in-depth understanding of the subject or neutral either.
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As I pointed out in prior talkbacks, the 'WORLD' is looking for a standard that is not controlled by Microsoft. Actually, one that is not controlled by commercial interests, but you get the idea.

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"The fact that almost a billion people are already using Microsoft's "defacto standard" file format, and yet the world is looking for an alternative. Hence my professional opinion that the ODF spec is better suited to solve the business problem at hand, because it's not from Microsoft."

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=43114&messageID=797423&start=-9763

Some folks took exception to that, but in the end, the truth is clear to see. At least, clear to people that can think for themselves.

-Mike

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