Obama's Supreme Court nominee might make the RIAA and MPAA see red

By | May 13, 2010, 7:32am PDT

Summary: Where does the new Supreme Court nominee stand on issues of importance to techies? You just might be surprised.

Since January 2009, Elena Kagan was Solicitor General of the United States, the lawyer who represents the Government of the United States before the Supreme Court. Now it appears Elena Kagan may soon be sitting on the other side of the bench. On Monday, President Obama nominated her to replace Justice John Paul Stevens when Justice Stevens retires this summer.

Kagan’s an interesting nominee, because she hasn’t served as a judge. Not all Supreme Court nominees have to be judges, of course, but the last few — all those nominated since 2005 — have been sitting judges.

While conservatives are going nuts trying to figure out if Professor Kagan is gay, what we geeks want to know is whether she’s good for TiVo. Where does she stand on digital rights, fair use, and all the assorted drivel that’s been coming out of the MPAA and RIAA over all these years?

Our government’s relationship with the regressive blowhards (no, I’m not objective on this topic — live with it) at the RIAA and MPAA has been somewhat disappointing.

RIAA and MPAA tactics

While the right might accuse Hollywood and the music industry of leaning left, the movie and music businesses are very old school and very conservative.

They’ve tried — for years — to destroy college careers, ruin grandmothers’ retirements, take food from the mouths of single moms’ babies, and otherwise extract their lump of flesh from fans and customers of music and movies.

Yes, music and movie (and software) piracy is illegal, but the draconian tactics of the MPAA and RIAA have been disturbing and reprehensible. Unfortunately, these tactics have been supported at the legislative level in idiotic laws like the DMCA and even in both the Bush and Obama White Houses, where entertainment industry lawyers seem to be favorite hires.

Update: I got a letter from a reader who didn’t know what these acronyms meant and was quite upset about it. RIAA is Recording Industry of America, MPAA is Motion Picture Association of America, and DMCA is Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Links take you to the appropriate Wikipedia pages.

So, on the surface, you’d think Kagan would make the MPAA and RIAA litigators very happy. But, just maybe, not so much.

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  • Overall change?
    I wonder if replacing a lefty-loony judge with a moderate-lefty judge will affect an overall change in the court's direction? I doubt it. Now replacing a certain far right wacko corporatist judge with zero respect for the people or Constitution would be another thing.
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    Bill4
    13th May 2010
  • I trust these federal judges
    about as much as I do the rest of the feds. Which is to say, I don't! It's all a power struggle to include the hand picked uber robes on this "glorified" bench, where the wise ones twist and bend the constitution to be anything they want it to be. Albeit one that serves them and the status quo better.

    Self preservation and "ethical" pontification on a scale, only weighed - as always - to the favor of the chosen ones. Dig it.
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    klumper
    13th May 2010
  • RE: Obama's Supreme Court nominee might make the RIAA and MPAA see red
    @Bill4

    Ditch the politics and get an education.
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    wizofvoz@...
    15th May 2010
  • RIAA/MPAA no reason to put a socailist on the supreme court
    And while I agree with fair use principles (ie people should be able to rip dvd's for personal use/backup) I don't recall individual users ever being sued for it.

    And Lessig? Puh-lease. What a buffoon, to put it overly nicely. And now you've fallen into that category yourself with your utterly stupid comment about conservatives and her being or not being gay. Conservatives dont care if shes gay any more than independents, liberals, socialists, marxists, communists or anyone else...
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    Johnny Vegas
    13th May 2010
  • RE: Obama's Supreme Court nominee might make the RIAA and MPAA see red
    There is an old saying "you must give something to get something".

    I believe that if Ms. Kagan understands and believes in Fair Use then many people may be willing to overlook some of the possible negative ideas that the media has bestowed upon her.

    You can never have everything that you want But this might possibly be a good start at achieving a somewhat happy median regarding fair use laws in the digital millenium.
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    ccrasher
    13th May 2010
  • Good.
    While she would still be in the minority, both within the Court and in government generally, she could restore some balance to the quid pro quo that was originally embodied in the Copyright Clause. Today, the extensions to the time limit effectively render copyrights permanent, because they extend beyond the useful life of the work for 99.99999 percent of works.

    Lessig and others have documented how the law is actually causing us to lose works, because they are restricted beyond the lifespan of their original media. Tens of thousands of sound recordings, films, and TV shows have already been lost because of this. DRM technologies are causing the same to happen with computer programs and digitized works.

    I have no doubt that the citizenry will eventually understand how they have been sold down the river and begin to push for repeal or reform. Maybe Kagan will be the first one to listen and react to that call. Certainly Congress has blithely ignored it so far, addicted to the campaign contributions and "star power" of the entertainment business.
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    terry flores
    13th May 2010
  • Um no....
    Yes the DCMA should be repealed, yes copyright extensions should be repealed, yes making personal copies for backup and different media should be legal and so should sw/hw that enables those scenarios.

    But no the law doesnt cause the loss of these works. The legal owners have the legal right to move them from existing to new mediums at will.
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    Johnny Vegas
    13th May 2010
  • Exactlly. MGM's vast library of movies
    is just that: MGM's vast library of movies. they own it, and can make as many backup copies for prosperity as they want (or could afford happy )
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    John Zern
    13th May 2010
  • The law prevents neglected works from being preserved
    @Johnny Vegas

    True, the legal owners have the rights to make as many copies as they want, but they don't have the right to intentionally or neglectfully *destroy* the work. This has been happening for recorded film and music for almost a century now.

    I've personally been involved in trying to preserve films that were neglected to the point of destruction, but were being prevented from being preserved by copyright issues. And don't forget, Hollywood in the early days intentionally destroyed thousands of films simply to make space and to prevent older films from competing with newer releases. Film companies satisfied the Library of Congress requirement for registered copies by printing them on rolls of paper, which are effectively useless in preserving or restoring the original work.

    And just so John Zern knows: that vast library of MGM's almost didn't exist. It was the concerted effort by a few individuals that led to preservation of any kind, especially since most of their original negatives were destroyed by fire. I give Ted Turner a lot of credit for that.
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    terry flores
    13th May 2010
  • Well, yes and no ...
    @Johnny Vegas

    Copyrights are a Constitutional matter but the Constitution grants Congress the right to make laws pertaining to copyright. Copyright was originally intended to protect the rights of the authors of printed works, which was usually an individual. The copyright lapsed at the individual's death.

    By the late Nineteenth Century, the need to protect photographs was becoming clear. Then Thomas Edison invented sound recording, and convinced George Eastman to put sprocket holes in his film. Multimedia was born.

    Early in the Twentieth Century, legal precendent established that a corporation had the same rights as an individual. This turned out to be a very important precedent because it made it possible for copyrights to be held by corporate interests.

    Enter the Walt Disney company - whose primary interest was to preserve the copyright on Mickey Mouse beyond the lifespan of 'his' creator, Walt Disney himself. In response, over the decades Congress has repeatedly extended the life of a copyright well beyond the lifetime of the author/creator.

    Like patent law, copyright law has failed to keep up with the technology. Especially as it pertains to Fair Use.

    And, like most institutions, the industries built up around multimedia production, have fallen behind the technology as well.

    Instead of using the technology available to expand their distribution channels while lowering their costs - and passing on the savings, these industries have found themselves using the technology to hamstring legitimate consumers of their materials while having no effect at all on the illegal sale of pirated materials.

    Peer-to-peer vendors who make it possible for unwitting consumers to illegally redistribute copyrighted material are left untouched while those consumers are facing huge fines and jail time. All the while, the pirates for profit are selling their wares all over the world and making money hand over fist at the expense of duped consumers.

    I think it is important to respect copyrights but I also think it is self-defeating to make it hard for your legitimate customers to use your product - for which they have paid.

    While these consumers have effectively bought a license for personal use, they share these materials with friends and family - not for money be because they want to share what makes them happy.

    This would not represent huge corporate losses without peer-to-peer applications redistributing these materials without the consumers knowing it. Why aren't the peer-to-peer vendors being held accountable for duping their customers into breaking the law?

    Then again, if consumers are knowingly sharing copyrighted material with unknown parties via the Internet, they should be prosecuted.
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    mwagner@...
    13th May 2010
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    zhengho
    13th May 2010
  • Marching to the left in lockstep
    This is typical of the type of person one would expect the Narcissistic Community Organizer to appoint to such a high position - a lesbo with no judicial experience who doesn't like the Second Amendment.
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    rag@...
    13th May 2010
  • RE: Obama's Supreme Court nominee might make the RIAA and MPAA see red
    I have a couple points to make..First rag@ you are the shining example of a right-wing nut!"lesbo" huh, you show your true lack of senseability. I'm sure the conservative party is proud to have you as a member.

    To my actual point and the topic of discusion here..I am not very familiar with all the copyright laws by any means but I do know as a consumer of both music and video media it's frustrating when I have to continually by 2nd and 3rd copies of items I purchased becasue my children seem to find a knack of destroying them. I would love to be able to make copied of items I buy strickly for times like this. How about if the movie/music industry could give me a code so I could log into the labels website, register my purchase and allow me to downlown the music or movie again. I do like the new release like Disney is doing with the BluRay, DVD and digital copy in one package. I make it a point to purchase those becasue of the digital format given to me.
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    az49erfn
    13th May 2010
  • You wish..
    Kagan may be liberal yet even successful liberals do not stray far from offending multinational corporations and their interests. Otherwise they would NOT be in the positions they are...It's safe to be a flaming liberal in the academic world, once back in politics she will swing conservative...watch and see.
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    proton_z
    13th May 2010
  • Problem with multinationals
    is that they're neither leftists or rightists exclusively. They're financial interests and conglomerates unto themselves, ones looking to serve their private interests and goals, be it international and financial. Sadly they buy off as many from the left as the right. In any case, ALL must be kosherized, or they're not touted and bankrolled.
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    klumper
    15th May 2010

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