Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

Summary: A year after the entire Wikileaks explosion, the conversation that started it all — a chat between hacker Adrian Lamo and intelligence analyst Bradley Manning — have been released.

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A year after the entire Wikileaks explosion, the conversation that started it all -- a chat between hacker Adrian Lamo and intelligence analyst Bradley Manning -- have been released by Wired.

Far from being the intelligence win or ammunition in a national security case, what these logs reveal is the sad, troubling humanity of both of these young men. Throughout history, though, it's always been the case that men were willing to betray their countries for small things, the personally troubling issues that they needed to resolve somehow.

Treason can often be terribly banal, and yet still so damaging.

While the logs make you feel for both Lamo and Manning, it must still be said that whether or not Manning was hurting inside, he still betrayed his country and still needs to be punished for that action. There were other ways -- beyond putting national security at risk -- that he could have sought help and attention.

Sigh.

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David Gewirtz, Distinguished Lecturer at CBS Interactive, is an author, U.S. policy advisor, and computer scientist. He is featured in the History Channel special The President's Book of Secrets and is a member of the National Press Club.

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  • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

    Manning should be shot. Twice.
    Hallowed are the Ori
    • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

      @Hallowed are the Ori Hmmm, good point. Hallowed and I yearn for the simple life of living in a police state, in which anyone can be shot for enroaching on state secrets, big or small, with no trial. Man, its easy to form opinions when theres no need to consider the complexity of situations! Hang em high, gentlemen!
      nickswift498
      • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

        @nickswift498 So...you're saying "the ends justifies the means?" I'm sorry, but that argument just don't hold water for me. It's the same argument the corrupt leaders used, but for them it was bad, and for Manning it's ok? Bull-pucky on the double standards. Simple thing is, Manning betrayed his country, and put people's lives at risk in the process.
        bigsibling
  • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

    Somehow, you managed to overlook all the passages stating Manning's political and moral reasons for (supposedly) leaking the material. You're right, there's quite a lot of "personal" stuff in there and Manning definitely appears troubled. But I don't buy the whole "it was a cry for help because he had personal problems" stuff. For that, his political arguments are much too convincing, too eloquently stated.
    Annika1984
    • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

      @Annika1984 Well, character assination works better when such things are ignored. I have seen what some of these cables have revealed and I am totally on Manning's side. I am for American values but not necessarily for America because it is easy to say you are for democracy and that that America stands for freedom while at the same time supporting a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government to install a dictatorship. The USA has a long track record of this and it makes me sad.
      gtaylor2
    • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

      @Annika1984 ... and irrelevant. If the deed was illegal, the perp should suffer the consequences.
      tom@...
  • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

    You Mr. Gewirtz are lacking in the ability to see how an act of conscience to enlighten the people can a patriotic act. Do you take the position that the founders of this country were betrayers of their country (england) as well? Manning saw all the unethical things that the government and military were doing and revealing all those things lets us know what our government is doing. If we aren't informed what our government is doing then we aren't very far from Big Brother.
    josh92
  • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

    Our so called "trusted" leaders seem to take this pledge after their election:"When in my best interest I shall ignor the 10 commandments and will trumpt god's will with any and all such justifications and rationalizations deemed necessary in order to justify my actions and have my way no matter what or who I hurt, as long as it isn't myself".
    jbuck011@...
  • News-free, but that's Gewirtz the State shill for you

    Not one direct word is to be reported here, apparently, about what the full logs actually reveal, including the scumbag Lamo having promised the confidentiality of being a journalistic source, which he and "Wired" wantonly abandoned.<br><br>Nope. Just ZDNet generally, Gewirtz specifically, being shills for the Empire once again, and stupidly animadverting about "treason." That slur, not even formal charge, justifies Manning's being tortured, I take it, Mr. Gewirtz?<br><br>Apropos of an earlier commenter, Manning deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Twice. But I'll be fine with his getting a brand-new one, and taking away the one handed to the war criminal Obama, with its being given to Wikileaks' Julian Assange.
    Greybird
    • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

      @Greybird ... your credibility? What credbility?
      tom@...
  • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

    Fact is, manning, and llamo broke the law, and should be punished for it. All the people who say he should be given a peace prize, or pardoned, should be in the shoes of person(s) who were put at risk because of the disclosures.
    Rikaroo
  • RE: Oh, the humanity: Lamo and Manning chat logs released

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