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'Skank' blogger talks, sues Google for $15m

By | August 23, 2009, 8:39pm PDT

Summary: Now the world knows: the “skanks of NYC” blogger is one Rosemary Port, a 27-year-old student at the Fashion Institute of Technology, and she is one pissed-off young lady. She not only has strong words for model Liskula Cohen, whose legal action outed her as the blogger, she’s ready to sue Google for $15 million [...]

Now the world knows: the “skanks of NYC” blogger is one Rosemary Port, a 27-year-old student at the Fashion Institute of Technology, and she is one pissed-off young lady. She not only has strong words for model Liskula Cohen, whose legal action outed her as the blogger, she’s ready to sue Google for $15 million for complying with the court order to turn over her info.

Port told the New York Daily News that it’s Cohen who took her blog from obscurity to a media bonanza, drawing attention not only to Port’s comments but also to Cohen’s behavior at New York clubs.

This has become a public spectacle and a circus that is not my doing. By going to the press, she defamed herself. Before her suit, there were probably two hits on my Web site: One from me looking at it, and one from her looking at it. That was before it became a spectacle. I feel my right to privacy has been violated.


And so … she is suing Google for, um, “breaching its fiduciary duty to protect her expectation of anonymity,” according to Port’s lawyer, Salvatore Strazzullo.

Legal time-out. That strikes me as nonsensical concept: the fiduciary relationship is the highest, most stringent duty one can have to another, typically the directors duty to shareholders, or a trustee’s duty to beneficiaries. To create such a relationship between a company and someone who creates a free blogging account makes a mockery of the relationship. And what is the duty to protect anonymity? That is definitely not listed in the treatises’ lists of fiduciary duties. What is listed is the duty not to profit from one’s position as the fiduciary. The idea that Google has undertaken a fiduciary relationship with users - and that the duty includes disobeying a court order - is laughable. Now back to our catfight…

This seemingly trivial yet voyeuristic spat is in fact a major First Amendment case in the making, the lawyer thinks.

I’m ready to take this all the way to the Supreme Court. Our Founding Fathers wrote ‘The Federalist Papers’ under pseudonyms. Inherent in the First Amendment is the right to speak anonymously. Shouldn’t that right extend to the new public square of the Internet?

Meanwhile, Cohen now says she won’t press her defamation suit. Says her lawyer:

What this blogger did ought not to be condoned or forgiven. But my client is walking away from it,” the lawyer said. “She’s said, ‘It adds nothing to my life to hurt hers.’ Liskula has offered her forgiveness. But even after she has been forgiven, (Port) has no interest in redeeming her soul.

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RE:"the fiduciary relationship is the highest, most stringent..."
valvestate@... Updated - 19th Sep 2009
Not much thought went into this story. No mention of the EULA was made, which would be the first place to turn to examine Google's responsibility. As far as what the author purports the fiduciary relationship to be; a de facto mark of the highest degree of responsibility of one party to another isn't even close to accurate in an interpretation of a typical fiduciary relationship. Allow for a slightly expanded definition as to include Google's responsibility to a Blogger user and the term fiduciary relationship could easily apply. It denotes responsibility but not to any measured degree.

The shadows of fascism come creeping over when the measure of responsibility to privacy is lessened just because someone takes advantage of something which is offered for free.
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Now I don't care what port did, almost everyone with an opinion does it. The internet has only given people the ability to do en masse. In fact I actually applaud her for doing it. People need to get a grip with reality and realize that not everyone is your friend, and not everyone is your enemy and that feelings getting hurt is a part of life.
The problem here is that Cohen persued this case till a court ordered Google to release the information, then she is not following through.
This now sets precedent for others to do the same. "Well I don't like what was written about me, so I will make the courts find out who that person is." The problem here is that now that everyone will picture Port as the person who did wrong here by saying deragatory things about Cohen. Cohen will go back to being a forgotten person after she lives in her fifteen minutes of fame.
I do believe that Google is responsible for not fighting the courts harder over this, especially in lieu of how Cohen is dropping the case.
Just a suggestion here Mr. Koman, but I think the real story here is no longer about Port or Cohen, nor the $15 million lawsuit against Google, but rather how easy it is for someone to abolish anonymity from a public venue.
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It matters not....
johnmckay 24th Aug 2009
If someone speaks untruths OR defames you, they have lost any right to anonimity. She's been caught lying from what I can see but can't quite accept that. It's similar to free speech and the press... cross the boundary of truth and risk retribution. It's a lesson for everyone and at least she wont be financially screwed, unless she keeps whinging about it and makes the other party change her stance. Now that would be an interesting whinge instead of the spoiled brat outburst at present.
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Where's the proof...
I Hate Malware 24th Aug 2009
that she was caught lying? I see no evidence of that.If that was the case then surely the courts would have awarded costs to the plaintiff? and not merely lifted her anonimity.
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You fell in the trap!
terry flores 25th Aug 2009
You have decided that a mere accusation is proof. People are guilty until proven innocent.

This is the same trap that has dogged civilization for a thousand years. I thought that America had found a way out of the trap with their embrace of presumption of innocence, but it's obvious that people today have no idea what the term even means.
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Not following through
I Hate Malware 24th Aug 2009
Perhaps the truth will come out if she persued it further and she really is a skank?
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No understanding of the law
dflory@... 26th Aug 2009
In older laws that are still on the books in most places in this country...to publicly accuse a woman of being sexually promiscuous "i.e. a skank" without proof is considered grounds for character defamation. So calling a woman a skank on a public Internet blog without proof of it is character defamation legally. That is why the court ordered Google to reveal the bloggers identity?Google did not have a legal standing to refuse and were not going to waste their time and money protecting her any more. I am surprised that they did not even turn over the information right from the start.

What this case does is remind people of what has always been the case?no you really just can?t say anything you want at anytime and get away with it if it is a lie and does damage to their reputation which leads to other damages.
Having suffered through months of misrepresentations, intentional misreadings, tortured logic, and outright lies on healthcare reform my tolerance has grown very thin for people saying behind a screen of anonymity - or obfuscation - that they are unwilling to be identified with - especially when the only threat they face is to be held accountable for ther truth or lack of truth in what they are saying or writing. True whistleblowers need and deserve society's protection; on the whole socuety benefits from their actions. Abuse - especially comments that require anonymity - contributes nothing constructive and deserve no protection.
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Right On Sailhawk05!
donj55 24th Aug 2009
Could not agree more! In my view, you give up your right to anonymity when you choose to defame someone or something. It is time for people to stand behind the cheap, vicious, off-hand remarks they deliver online with casual cruelty. Has the power of social media simply permitted us to stoop to the lowest level possible more quickly and for a broader audience? I hope this case does make it to the Supreme Court and they uphold the right of someone to confront their accuser (attacker) ? even when that person tries to hide behind a supposed shield of anonymity.
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A simple rule
zdnet-gregc 24th Aug 2009
Never make statements about a person that you would not express verbally to that person if he or she were standing in front of you as you express them. When that person is a public figure and not a personal acquaintance add "in the presence of other witnesses" to the criteria.

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Innocent until proven guilty
I Hate Malware 24th Aug 2009
Where is the onus of proof. Come on, if she is a skank where's all the juicy details?
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This opens a can of worms, don't it? There are many people who will say anything on a blog and now if their ID is "outed" they can turn around and sue - is this right? For $15 million, I'd want to be outed for exercising my free speech, bring it on. The way this should have been handled is for Google to simply send the woman a note that she violated the terms of agreement and take the blog down or cancel her account.
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Anybody that can afford a lawyer can sue.
terry flores 25th Aug 2009
You don't even bother to try and understand the legal system you live under.

And BTW, Google could NOT have handled it the way you described, they had to follow legal process. They might have *offered* what you described to the complainant as an alternative, but in the end, they had to do what was demanded of them, not what they felt like.
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Actually, they could have
jasbcor 26th Aug 2009
According to the terms in blogger.com, under item 10 it reads:
Termination; Suspension. Google may, in its sole discretion, at any time and for any reason, terminate the Service, terminate this Agreement, or suspend or terminate your account....

They didn't need to *offer* anything, they could have just cut the account off.

And secondly, sure anyone can sue for any reason but they don't need to be able to afford the lawyer. If the lawyer smells $15 million, they will work for it without client fees.
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This is a first amendment violation! Watch out for Google. If Big Brother can leverage Google, forget about the Patriot act, they have all your info or will eventually.
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It's about time this started happening
Fatesrider Updated - 23rd Aug 2009
Wow, the idea that it's okay to post lies and innuendo as 'opinions' because 'everyone does it' is so... Nazi-excuse-like.

Why is common courtesy not? Why are manners unmanly? Why do people think anonymity can hide behavior that if done in 'print' would be actionable?

The problem is that most people are not held accountable for their boorish behaviors. From cutting someone off, to flipping them off in the streets to posting drivel on the Internet, manners have gone out of style like big hair and polyester leisure suits. Somehow, we have acquired the erroneous notion that rudeness equals strength.

Toss in the Internet and we get people like the Emily Post dropout Ms. Potts, who stands on her First Amendment right to prove the axiom that it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But when they put it in writing in a public place, they must stand behind the liabilities doing so creates. She put it out that someone she barely knows is a 'skank and ho' and that 'skank', quite understandably and predictably, took exception to those lies to the point that she put in motion the legal steps necessary to find out who the hell said that and to sue them for it - not because it was their opinion, but because they were lies and put it out there where others saw it and caused trouble in her professional life.

In some ways, just being outed as a boorish coward hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet is sufficient punishment for Ms. Potts. Everyone now knows who said what. We may not ever know why. I don't think that matters. What matters is that some anonymous person shouted out false accusations in public and got the spot-light shown harshly and justly upon them. Perhaps more such incidents will remind people that regardless of how well hidden they think they are, someone can find them if they insist on telling lies about others.

It's time courtesy became common once again.
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Potts got what she deserved.
Barloe 23rd Aug 2009
Your post is right on target.

Why would Potts post the kind of comments she did; about someone
that she presumably doesn't even know?

Did she do it because she felt she could hide behind her anonymity?

Her outing may indeed cause others to think before they make
inappropriate or just plain mean comments about others.

If so, that a good result.

In any event, the result may be, that Potts will be seen as a pariah and
people acquainted with her may give her a wide berth.


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re: why
Badgered 24th Aug 2009
Why would Potts post the kind of comments she did; about someone that she presumably doesn't even know?

Did she do it because she felt she could hide behind her anonymity?


In the reasons behind why she did it, my guess is that it's not much different than people who gossip. Usually it's done to make themselves feel better, or to get back at someone they think has done them wrong.

One of the differences is that on the internet everyone can see what you've said. When you're just verbally gossiping, it takes time for the word of mouth to spread beyond your own circle of friends.

It seems the internet has a unique way of broadcasting things people might be thinking or saying behind someone's back.
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her name is Port, not Potts.
jedikitty@... 24th Aug 2009
If you can't even get that right, maybe she should sue you instead.
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Hear, hear!
aldux 24th Aug 2009
I really wish that I could have put that better, but I don't think I can.

Congratulations, and please keep blogging with your simple and effective voice of reason.
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@ fatesrider
whydoIbother 24th Aug 2009
I agree with you, I can't see how anyone could side with the slanderer.
You wrote "Why are manners unmanly?" which is interesting because
most these PERPS of cyber slander or bullying are female. Remember the
Lori Drew incident or the Florida 8 girl on one beat down?
Violence is terrible and socially destabilizing but, so is slander. The legal
system obviously needs to intervene.

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Baah Baah
I Hate Malware 24th Aug 2009
To all you sheep, Big Brother is watching you
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Are you really that interesting?
whydoIbother 24th Aug 2009
It would make more sense to watch the shepherd.
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I have no sheppard
I Hate Malware 24th Aug 2009
I'm free range baby.
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>>> Now back to our catfight?
"catfight"? What is that?

Cats oppose legal rights --in Your world? When two males oppose each other legally YOU label it: "Bullyboy dust-up"? "Schoolyard brawl"? Hmm, Time to get into TWENTY-FIRST century; Grow Up, Richard Koman.
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None of you idiots raving and frothing at the mouth about the 1st Amendment and your right to 'free speech' have ever READ that document, have you?

I'll save you the trouble...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

You really should educate yourself on the subject before spouting nonsense about your perceived rights and their violation.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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I'm not sure what your point is
rkoman@... 24th Aug 2009
But if you're suggesting that First Amendment
rights are very narrow, you should read Supreme
Court precedent and not just the original text.
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And your point is... [nt]
Timpraetor 24th Aug 2009
NT
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So Mr Koman would be happy with Chinese style internet? (remember Yahoo?)
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So Mr Koman would prefer Chinese internet? (remember Yahoo?)
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huh?
rkoman@... 24th Aug 2009
please explain?
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China gets it right? Maybe?
Tony54321ab 24th Aug 2009
In China, I think bloggers and forum posters are required to use their full legal name. Maybe China gets it right this time around.

Would we all prefer if all of us have to get our names verified before being allowed to post comments? Maybe our addresses should be posted right next to our names as well. That way we can stand by every comments good or bad.

Sorry for double post.
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If you had ever talked to anybody in China ...
terry flores Updated - 25th Aug 2009
you would be bashing your head on the ground in apology for what you just said.
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Chinese Internet
kahibah 24th Aug 2009
The journalist Shi Tao was sent to jail for 10 years for engaging in pro-democracy efforts deemed subversive after Yahoo turned over information about his online activities as requested by Chinese authorities.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/technology/07yahoo.html

There is a place for anonymity to promote the free exchange of ideas, with the resulting learning and corrections. Also for elections, aren't you glad they are secret?
The public are smart enough to figure things out (more than the ruling judge).
".. justice should not only be done, but should ..be seen to be done."

"No harm, no foul"
She would actually have to prove that Port's writings were factually incorrect. Or in other words: Cohen would have to prove that she isn't a "skank."
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Kind of what I was thinking...
Badgered 24th Aug 2009
Cohen would have to prove that she isn't a "skank."

That's along the lines of what I was thinking when I first heard about the suit. Is it better to let this thing die out, or have all the details of your life argued about as to whether the things you've done constitute 'skankyness'?
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Defamation defenses
david@... 24th Aug 2009
To the contrary, if the accuser is sued for defamation, it is they who must use the "truth" defense by proving the truth of the claim the plaintiff is a "skank" (Wikipedia says it's a synonymn for "slut",i.e. a woman who sleeps around).

Cohen is under no obligation to prove the charges false if she is the plaintiff. In contrast, to prove she is a skank, the defendant, having uttered the challenged words, would need several examples of blatant skankiness--the preponderance of evidence rule, to use the truth defense.

Further, by contemporary community standards, it would be hard for the defendant to prove a charge of skankiness unless such behavior both existed and was widely flaunted by the plaintiff. The incidence of quiet pre-marital sex in the general population could be used to refute any attempted "proof" by the defendant absent such flaunting behavior.

Drunken dancing, for example, is not skankiness. Blatantly sleeping around may be.

Nothing in this post should be construed as taking a position on the merits of such a case or of its parties. The writer is not an attorney and this post does not constitute legal advice.

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Richard Koman is an attorney admitted to practice in California. As a technology writer since the mid-1980s, Richard Koman has documented the role of computing in the transformation of the graphic arts, the growth of the Web and the birth of the peer-to-peer phenomenon. He worked as a book and web editor for O'Reilly Media throughout the 1990s, editing several influential websites and numerous best-sellers. As a lawyer, as well as a tech writer, he brings a unique perspective to the blog's intersection of law, government and technology.
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Errm...
khawaja.umar.farooq@... Updated - 26th Aug 2009
The poster you responded to was referrring to himself, not Richard Koman. What he meant was that his comment should not be taken as legal advice.
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Skanky is hard to define
hamiltonia Updated - 26th Aug 2009
Skanky is not as easily defined as david's previous post suggests. I haven't seen the exact wording of the blog that started this incident but the exact words used would bear into the discussion in court.

If the woman had been called promiscious or a prostitute, that's a very clear designation. Skanky is a slang word that has multiple meanings. If you "Google define" it, you will see foul, disgusting, highly offensive as definitions. I am sure every one of us could be considered "highly offensive" in some way or another by another person.

I agree that it wouldn't be the best thing to go to court and have your life aired in public to decide if you fit the description!
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With the Ms Port precedence...
BubbaJones_ 24th Aug 2009
will they now be able to force outings for:
Doctor patient confidentiality
Attorney client privilege (confidentiality)
Reporter's private informant
etc.

Google was following a lawful court order Google shouldn't
be sued. Sue the judge that gave the order, if it wasn't for
the judge Ms Port wouldn't have been outed.
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RE: 'Skank' blogger talks, sues Google for $15m
Cratz Updated - 24th Aug 2009
This woman is an idiot and her lawsuit is frivolous. Google will simply move to have it dismissed, and it will be. She is just mad because she thought she was above the law and she had to learn the hard way that she is not.

Now, let's all move on.



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RE: 'Skank' blogger talks, sues Google for $15m
Tony54321ab Updated - 24th Aug 2009
In China, I think bloggers and forum posters are required to use their full legal name. Maybe China gets it right this time around.

Would we all prefer if all of us have to get our names verified before being allowed to post comments? Maybe our addresses should be posted right next to our names as well. That way we can stand by every comments good or bad.
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re: names
Badgered 24th Aug 2009
Would we all prefer if all of us have to get our names verified before being allowed to post comments? Maybe our addresses should be posted right next to our names as well. That way we can stand by every comments good or bad.

Sure, if you don't mind every nutjob on the internet knowing who you are and where you live... You know, that guy you stole a girlfriend from 10 years ago who just can't seem to let it go.

Feel free to put it out there.

I can imagine it would completely limit the amount of dialogue too, which might be a good thing in some cases.
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Skank probably wishes now she never sued for name release
toddlorensinclair Updated - 24th Aug 2009
It seems to me the skank bit off her nose to spite her face on this one ... While relatively few people saw the blog it is now in the mainstream media and everyone knows shes a been labeled a skank?





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She's suing Google for complying with a court order? What?!?! What did she expect Google to do? They initially refused the request to reveal her identity, so how is this Google's fault?
But a court order is a court order.

And even in our modern world of 'Juries Gone Wild', Google is not going to have to pay anyone $15 million for following their responsibilitis under law.

And no, you can't sue the judge. Sorry.

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Suing for putting own foot in mouth?
xXSpeedzXx 24th Aug 2009
Talk about frivolous lawsuit. She published a blog, going on about some model, who then sued for the information to know who is causing defamation of character. Sorry honey, but defaming someone else is not protected under the 1st amendment. This is probably an instance where she should have just remained silent.

Sounds like this 27 year old has had to many years of silver spoon in her mouth. Personally I believe that karma will rule here resulting in the suit against Google being dropped, and Cohen receiving damages from Ms. Port.

Freedom of speech says that you may have your opinion, but that you are also responsible for the things you say. So take like the recent Gym mass murder/suicide, making death threats are not protected as freedom of speech, nor can one expect to have complete anonymity when publishing such things in public. Want to remain anonymous, keep it in your pretty little head, Ms. Port.

Sidebar: She is quite the looker.
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This country has a long history of refusing the protections of anonymity to accusers. One of the reasons we fought the revolutionary war was because of the anonymous British "Star Chamber" hearings. The right to confront one's accusers is eonstitutionally enshrined and should apply not only to the juridical space but to the public space.

In an ironic twist, the victim, Cohen, had a good defamation case until she went public about it. That made her a "public figure" and gave the defamer the "public figure defense". That may be why she had to drop the lawsuit.

Anonymity in expressing ideas to be judged on their merits while refusing to use one's prestige to persuade (the Federalist papers) is quite a different matter from anonymity as a way to post defamation and hide from responsibility.
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Shouldn't defamation be established first?
bryanbonifacio@... 24th Aug 2009
Not sure how it is legally defined but wouldn't falsehood be a requirement?
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You hit the nail on the head.
terry flores 25th Aug 2009
So many people in this blog (and in real life) automatically equate accusation with guilt. Even though they know they are not supposed to, they delight in rushing to judgement. It is a foul part of human nature.
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Not much thought went into this story. No mention of the EULA was made, which would be the first place to turn to examine Google's responsibility. As far as what the author purports the fiduciary relationship to be; a de facto mark of the highest degree of responsibility of one party to another isn't even close to accurate in an interpretation of a typical fiduciary relationship. Allow for a slightly expanded definition as to include Google's responsibility to a Blogger user and the term fiduciary relationship could easily apply. It denotes responsibility but not to any measured degree.

The shadows of fascism come creeping over when the measure of responsibility to privacy is lessened just because someone takes advantage of something which is offered for free.

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