Why killing Data.gov is wrong-headed and stupid

By | April 4, 2011, 4:06am PDT

Summary: An actual, working, highly profitable IT program run by the United States government is unlikely to last out the summer.

The people who run our government are morons. I’m not saying that because we have a Democratic administration and a Republican House. I’m saying that because all of them, together, are morons.

Case in point: Data.gov.

I’m actually starting to think Sarah Palin might be a better choice as President. She wouldn’t have heard of Libya, so she wouldn’t have started another war there. To her, Tripoli would merely sound like the name of a club her daughter probably danced at. Either that, or an exotic Italian desert.

Here’s where I’m going with this. According to U.S. News & World Report, the cost of our new war in Libya is about $50 million per day. Meanwhile, those crazy bloggers over at Forbes — a publication that arguably knows a bit about money — puts the real cost of the Libyan war at about $2 billion a day.

I’ll leave it as an exercise for you, Dear Reader, to determine whether we’re eatin’ it at the level of $50 million or $2 billion a day, but either way, we’re spending a tremendous amount of cash.

Apparently one way to get the cash is to close cloud services the U.S. government set up over the last couple of years. As government services go, these cloud operations are pretty astonishing because they actually work — and don’t cost much to keep running.

Data.gov is one of a number of ground-breaking cloud-based services the United States government provides to both government workers and the American people. Data.gov houses a tremendous number of government databases, available for download, analysis, and collaboration.

According to Federal News Radio, the Office of Management and Budget is planning on closing Data.gov, Performance.gov, FedSpace, and the FEDRamp cloud computing risk management site. Shortly after, the gov is going to shutter USASpending.gov and Apps.gov.

Let’s keep in mind the difference in costs.

Our boondoggle in Libya is going to cost millions on a daily basis. I’m far from a dove, but you can tell I obviously think this new war is completely ill-advised. By contrast, the entire e-government fund is expected to cost just $35 million this year — less than the cost of one day of quixotic Qaddafi quelling.

It gets worse, and — in case you couldn’t tell — this is where I justify my statement that the people who run our government are morons.

See, the e-government initiatives our leaders are clamoring to quash are actually insanely profitable.

That’s right. The government’s cloud computing efforts are paying off at the level of about 85 to 1. That is, for every buck taxpayers like you and me spend on the e-government program, we’re actually saving $85 in other government spending.

Vivek Kundra is the first (and possibly the last) Chief Information Officer of the United States of America. In a March 17 White House blog post, he reported that the government’s IT Dashboard initiatives had helped save $3 billion dollars on IT projects.

If you believe the Forbes’ numbers, that’s enough savings to run the Libyan war for most of today and part of tomorrow.

In the video associated with the post, Kundra goes on to say:

Using this important tool, we identified under-performing high priority IT projects and began an intensive review of these programs, eliminating ineffective projects, reconfiguring others, and targeting IT expenditures more carefully.

So that’s where we’re at. An actual, working, highly profitable IT program run by the United States government is unlikely to last out the summer.

Your tax dollars at work.

I don’t always ask you to write to your elected representatives, but this one deserves your attention. Any government program that costs about the same as the entire box office take of the movie Furry Vengeance, is wildly profitable — and works – deserves the attention of our Congress-critters (on one of their good days).

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RE: Why killing Data.gov is wrong-headed and stupid
Vesicant 17th Aug
Time was, starting an article with a political polemic wasn't the best way to establish your scientific bona fides, but apparently these days that's the way to do it (global warming, for example). But to the point -- nice try, Gewirtz, but the IT dashboard and data.gov are only loosely, if at all, related. You can't claim savings from one as profit from the other.
Good point David, keeping a cool technology up and running is way more important than preventing thousands of people that had the gall to want to vote from being lined up in front of a 10 mile trench and shot in the head. Actually, I agree that cutting Data.gov is a dumb move in that it probably pays for itself in the effeciencies it delivers; I'm just taking exception with your point that technology is more important than preventing mass murder.
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@BimBach what's the ROI for Libya? bet it's not 85:1.

just sayin.
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@bc3tech
Probably depends on which oil stocks you are holding. ;-))
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@nwcurtis
and which contractors gets the profits
@BimBach As much as I dislike the idea of people getting shot for wanting to vote, Libya is not the US. We don't have a right to barge in there and tell someone else how to run their country.
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Yea, ecept those pesky little terrorists...
cornpie Updated - 4th Apr 2011
@Bucky24 ... blowing up airliners. If only we had done away with the dumpy little dictator before Dec 1988. Then again a nice clean little assassination might have done the trick.
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They repeatedly attack us
use_what_works_4_U 4th Apr 2011
@Bucky24
Maybe we should be a little more laissez-faire when it comes to the internal politics of Libya. OTOH, I really would have liked to NOT have gone to a funeral in 1988. I would have really liked to have my friend Miriam to have come home from Europe safely. Instead she only got as far as Lockerbie, Scotland.

Simply put nations, like people, can only stretch the limits of international largesse so far. When that last straw breaks the camel's back, the world WILL respond. The fact that we (the entire Democratic World) waited until they started killing their own citizens, instead of just OUR friends and neighbors, is simply proof that the Libyan Government was given too much leeway to begin with.

We are the United States of America. We are members of NATO and the United Nations. The United Nations has always held that governments who execute their own citizens without legal cause will be stopped and held responsible for their actions which are *criminal*. What we are doing now is too late, but hopefully not too little.
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RE: Why killing Data.gov is wrong-headed and stupid
nickdangerthirdi@... 4th Apr 2011
@BimBach I dont think our author is for people getting lined up and shot in the head, I think his main point is there are better ways to find money to pay for a military operation that he disagrees with us being involved in than cutting programs that are actually taking steps to help save the government (and taxpayers) money. and I have to agree with him there, its kind of like the reps talking about cutting 100 billion from the budget, but doing it by cutting services that people need isnt the way to do it, and the fact that they refuse to even LOOK at the defense budget, which is over half of our nations budget is just irresponsible, to think that there is no waste in the defense budget is like thinking the republicans and democrats get along just great, and just goes to prove the authors point that our government is full of morons...
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RE: Why killing Data.gov is wrong-headed and stupid
richard.e.morton@... 4th Apr 2011
I am disappointed that you start this article by muddying it with what you call a 'war' in Libya. We (the UK, the US, China and France) have been arming Gaddafi with weapons.

The Iraq and Afganistan war have been condemned by many for the west going in and imposing our values on those countries but in Libya, the Libyans are trying to get democracy standing up to a dictator. As good citizens we have a duty to have their back and stopping the government from wiping them out.

Where does it end? When one sides win while both sides have equal offensive equipment. We should have their backs; us not going in and helping out on the world stage is analogous to the police not coming to help you when being held at gunpoint.

Why not go into other countries; if the people make a stand and it is not a democratically elected government, we should. If it is democratic, they should call a vote of (no-)confidence in their government.



but on another note, websites that give insight to government spending and data should stay, but they should be interpreted by experts, the risk is that people don't understand the circumstances and complexity of projects/spend and jump to the conclusion that it is waste.

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@BimBach
Maybe some quote/unquote "moron" politician argued that it's better to let the private sector take over those functions. (For the usual game of underbidding, cost overruns, overbilling, => followed by campaign donations.)

And maybe some IT firm was affronted by the prospect of competition from a cost effective gov service, and lobbied politicians in the usual ways.
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@BimBach , mmm , BimBach, did you have coffee today?, I mean real coffee, or just a good old shot of Fox Newsment?
Do you really think its about the people who probably get more from their government that you do?? Sure he is a nut job, but you have bigger ones in DC!
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@BimBach
I think you should re-read what he said. He said that the war in Libya is ill advised. There is no proof that our getting involved will help anyone, if anything our involvement will cause more people to die. These so-called rebels are a joke! There are something like 1500 of them in a country of millions and we, the US are expected to do their fighting for them. Guess what happens after we win it for them? We then become the enemy of all sides. Remember Iraq and Afghanistan? Nope, not our job!
"The people who run our government are morons. I?m not saying that because we have a Democratic administration and a Republican House. I?m saying that because all of them, together, are morons."

Thank you!
It isn't that it is profitable, it is that it helps identify other projects that hemorrhage even more money. that said it is a very silly idea to stop something that is helping to identify the waste of money going on in the government.
But then, maybe that is part of the reason it is being shut down. We all know the government wastes money, maybe some people dont like the light being shone on them.
@tiderulz Amen! It's not about saving $$$, it's about how awkward transparency can be for our politicians. Deception, incompetence and backroom quid pro quo deals are all much easier when you can hide the facts.
And I can't really agree on Libya. Europe and the US "stands for democracy". What does it mean? Usually - nothing.
Libya's rulers are insane (especially Gaddafi). And I mean straight-jacket-kind-of insane... This man created state-sponsored terrorism: blown plane full of civilians, killed US soldiers in Germany (with innocent civilians). His regime made agreements with foreign specialists, who later were kept hostages (like Bulgarian nurses, who were sentenced to death until their government paid ransom to free them). This man threatened another state (Switzerland), because police there arrested one of his sons, who was ill-behaving. He wanted to make UN to share this country between some of it's neighbours (Germany, Italy, France)
You have always lived in a free country. I haven't had such a luck... And it's not just a matter of money.
I don't mean, the coalition should invade Libya. Nobody needs second Iraq. And you can't give someone freedom - you have to earn it. But this is help we can give freedom fighters. However imperfect they are, they're better than Gaddafi's regime...
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@mekmar
Why is it so hard to focus on the US and invest in our country?! This technology was saving money and adding benefit to this country. In order to fight wars everywhere our "moron" politicians are cutting things without even thinking. I don't see how these "freedom fighters" are any better than the guys who are already there. I have heard many disturbing things about what they are doing to segments of the Libyan population. I have also heard that they fold as soon as they lack NATO air power. They do not seem to have mass support so why support them on that basis alone? In truth, no one knows if they are truly better than the current regime.
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Robert Hahn Updated - 4th Apr 2011
@Robert Hahn Good thing he's talking about a nice little piece of technology here then.
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@Aerowind

Too bad it reads like an opinion piece on Libya.
@Aerowind
Its a trap!
(Que the trolls . . .)
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Totally agree with you. Dave can keep his stupid politics to himself!
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@Robert Hahn
Agreed. If he has MoveOn and HuffPo do his political thinking for him, I wonder who does his tech thinking for him. Credibility fail.
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@stjones@... Wow, an entire paragraph berating Sarah Palin and one of her children who have absolutely nothing to do with Data.gov. Why is this in cloud computing article?
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@Robert Hahn
I agree, this is no place for such bias. I do not have to wonder who the fool really is after that.
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RE: Why killing Data.gov is wrong-headed and stupid
usaheattreating@... Updated - 4th Apr 2011
??? @???? ????????
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RE: Why killing Data.gov is wrong-headed and stupid
usaheattreating@... 4th Apr 2011
If it's profitable... it will stand on it's own merits.
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@usaheattreating@...
Not in Washington. If it's profitable, it's evil. Ask Mikey Moore.
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Pity Google can't fund it
011010100010100 4th Apr 2011
Shame that Google can't run it in return for first dibs on the data. I'm sure that they could fund it and even possibly do something profitable with it.

Just saying....
@011010100010100 Great idea! Outsource it to Google where can continue saving money for the government and actually generate revenue, too!
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Keep your politics to yourself
ryanks 4th Apr 2011
Enough said.
Data.gov is excellent because it brings public oversight to the government. Anyone, republican or democrat, should appreciate more sunshine and more oversight. The government works for us (the people), and making data on government operations available in one place makes it easier to keep it that way. Shame on all of you who don't understand that.
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RE: Why killing Data.gov is wrong-headed and stupid
Joaquim Amado Lopes 4th Apr 2011
"That is, for every buck taxpayers like you and me spend on the e-government program, we?re actually saving $85 in other government spending."
And you wonder why it is being closed?!
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Comparison of costs is appropriate
msgurutech Updated - 4th Apr 2011
How can you separate politics from government spending??? By definition this is a political question and the author of the article is using an example of cost to justify keeping a useful government service alive.

The point is that the support of Libya (and spending) was on a whim without Congressional approval but this useful service that provides transparency is going to be cut to save money. We all can make value judgments about the worth of Libian intervention but lets face the fact that we often do not choose to spend money in Africa to cure the area's problems. And with all the cuts of essential services we need to look at spending as a whole and our new role as a country. Will we choose to take care of the world but not our own citizens?

I have to wonder if the Sarah Palin jokes are what pissed off a lot of these commenters who decry political agenda? The Palin jokes were what made me keep reading! Thanks David!
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about as funny as a basket full of dead babies on Mothers Day... oh, but then if your a liberal a basket full of dead babies is just "choice"....

never mind
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They are to separate issues and are not related. Yes, they both have money aspects, but so does road construction. However, fed money on road construction has nothing to do with data.gov either.

If data.gov is really saving the feds money, it should be saved. I am guessing that enough politicians? pet projects have been scraped because of data.gov, that it is now in jeopardy.
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@rmark@...
The action in Libya is costing more per day than the annual cost of the data.gov program.
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I am fascinated by the variance in the estimated costs. I have heard even more numbers. But my question is what is the marginal cost, i.e. the added cost of fighting vs training and sitting around looking fearsome?
Killing almost any program is good.

Maybe some of those services would indeed help identify what else to reform or kill..._provided_ the amount of savings they helped identify is a number that bears the sort of resemblance to the truth that a reasonable person might accept.

I trust no word coming from anyone alone, until a skeptical adversary or at least someone without an axe to grind either way verifies it.

Still, someone might do well to look into the remote possibility that the government actually stumbled blindly onto a good idea for a change, which would of course be the best reason for them to get rid of it, if it's threatening various fiefdoms.
Thank you David. I wish only that anyone in washington was listening. We the people no longer have a voice. As you can see from some of the above points of view, we are still too phobic to make good judgements. Thanks for trying.
I think you should stick to to technology, because it seems you got your ass handed to you when you went partisan. Besides I like it when one of you idiots that drag politicians kids into the argument dis-credit the writer, and the message.
The mesaage and the content will never change until you address the core issue... ignorance.
Terry
I don't want to hear David Gewirtz political viewpoints, regardless of how badly stated they are. It is not that I agree or disagree with them. They are totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and not needed to make a case for Data.gov. I doubt I will be reading any more posts by David Gewirtz.
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Government cancels useful projects to punish us.
jim.stoddard@... 4th Apr 2011
When its time to cut back, the gov't always closes the National Parks and stops issuing passports. They never get rid of the thousands of useless federal programs, administrators, & bureaucrats that would save billions & no one would notice. If the websites are on the cancellation list, they probably are useful. Thats the whole idea - punish the taxpayers for daring to cut the gravy train & cushy life style our federal employees enjoy.
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too true Jim
wizardjr 4th Apr 2011
I've seen this at all levels of government. Locally they put the cops and firemen on the street or furlough the teachers but not the paper pushers or 'management'.
IS it being killed? Or is it going elite, available only to a certain few people/companies/morons, or perhaps it'll come back as an expensive subscription service. I'm more of the opinion the gvt simply wants outsiders, well, OUT!
That would be more typical - simply make it unavailable to the masses. Or, is it all a hoax? This from data.gov:

As this is posted today, the Data.gov team has re-located to our new ?greener? General Services Administration (GSA) building in One Constitution Square in Northeast Washington, D.C. These new surroundings, optimized for open collaboration, are filled with new opportunities and possibilities. This new work environment epitomizes the key characteristics of the Data.gov team ? nimble, collaborative, adaptive, and forward-leaning (to new horizons)! Our physical address may have changed but our digital, virtual addresses (e-mail, phone, PDA, and web) in the digital domain remain the same as our transition was seamless and flawless.
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Please Open Your Eyes
dlsweb 4th Apr 2011
Guys, please wake up to the misdirection - the whole point of the piece is to help tell everyone that this is about money.

WRONG.
It is about closing another way for people to find out what this administration is doing.
I hope everyone has seen that even the liberal press has acknowledged that the Obama administration has been less transparent than ANY administration before, here's another example.

Maybe data.gov can get a "waiver".
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nice diatribe (not), politic much?
wizardjr 4th Apr 2011
You actually trust a government bureaucrat's statement that this thing is making a profit..?? "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you." Yeah. Right.

If these guys can prove profitablility it would not get the ax. The only other assumption is that some Congress critters have their eyes on it as a business deal for one of their buddies. Like that hasn't happened before.
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Forbes is cheating
tkejlboom 4th Apr 2011
Here's the problem with Forbes, it tends to be run by business people. Most business people are idiots. They boast bottom lines achieved by selling off the profitable portions of 100 year old companies, and the jet when there's nothing left. They hire semi-pro Bridge players to run firms like Bear Stearns. The bean counters at Forbes are looking at the total cost of operating the fleet, not the marginal cost of firing at live targets. That said, I'd support cutting DOD by 20% if they cut medicaid, medicare, and Social Security by 20%.
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Well informed
TraderBEK 4th Apr 2011
The problem is our congresspersons do not want transparency and a well-informed citizens. If we were informed we wouldn't keep reelecting these same morons.
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Be it Democrat morons or Republican morons, it doesn't matter. The result is the same. That's why the only solution is to give them as little of our money as possible. Whichever party is in power is just going to flush it down the toilet anyway, so why give it to them in the first place!
Time was, starting an article with a political polemic wasn't the best way to establish your scientific bona fides, but apparently these days that's the way to do it (global warming, for example). But to the point -- nice try, Gewirtz, but the IT dashboard and data.gov are only loosely, if at all, related. You can't claim savings from one as profit from the other.

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