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Why the first true post-PC era device isn't the iPad. It's the Chromebook.

By | May 13, 2011, 5:00am PDT

Summary: You can’t claim to be post-PC if you can’t start using the thing without a PC (or a Mac).

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I was planning to write about the new White House cyberpolicies (and I’ll probably circle back around to them next week), but when ZDNet’s gamification guy, Peter Cohen, sent me a note about how Congress-critters are using iPads, I couldn’t pass it up.

Apparently, Democratic party whip Steny Hoyer has switched from using scraps of paper for tallying votes to an iPad. The party whip in America is essentially the enforcer in Congress, the person who makes sure the party falls in place.

With Republicans over the past decade or so, getting them to fall in line has been a relatively reliable and repeatable process. Getting two Democrats to agree about anything is always a challenge, so the job of the Dem whip is about as easy as herding cats — self-indulgent, entitled, inconsistent cats whose concept of team play is agreeing to not agree. Gotta love our two parties!

In any case, Hoyer is using an iPad for whipping Democrats in line and that got me thinking about what his usage pattern must be like. In order to manage and upgrade that iPad, someone in his office has to connect it to a Mac or PC, regularly run an actual physical cable connection, and sync.

It seems to me that you can’t claim to be post-PC if you can’t start using the thing without a PC (or a Mac).

On the other hand, there’s the new Chromebook.

This device may actually be a post-PC device. It turns on, it runs. There’s no special connection to a PC or Mac, there’s no installation of iTunes or any other monolithic, horrid software. You just buy a Chromebook, turn it on, log in, and go.

Of course, there are differences. The user interface and physical design of the iPad are clean and moderately clear. iTunes, on the other hand, seems more like a Google product in its ugliness, inconsistency, and cumbersome performance.

While Apple never met an interface it couldn’t simplify, Google (with the notable exception of its home page) has never met an interface it couldn’t make more complex. Have you ever tried organizing your profiles in Google? It’s almost an impossibility.

That’s why it’s always seemed bizarre to me that Apple has locked its iOS devices to PCs and Macs. I also think it’s the one thing that will both hold Apple back from total dominance of the next generation and is the great big, huge hole the company has left open for Google.

For here’s the thing. We techies can’t tell our clients (and by clients, I mean parents, friends, siblings, in-laws, neighbors, and anyone else whose computers we have to fix on a regular basis) — we can’t tell these people to “just buy an iPad”.

Owning an iPad still involves having a working computer. Yes, I know you can configure an iPad on your own computer, lock down the apps that can be installed, and hand the iPad to your parents. But you’re still in the loop.

A few months ago, I wrote about my force-of-nature senior citizen neighbor and how he’d managed to break through all of the PC protections I’d put in place. I’m beginning to think a Chromebook might be the answer.

Grandpa can just get a Chromebook. The only thing you’ll need to tell him is how to connect to WiFi (and even that can be replaced by 3G connectivity). Beyond that, since it’s just glass to the web, and no working PC or Mac is needed, the Chromebook may well be the first post-PC PC.

See also: When your security software leaves you to the wolves

See also: 5 top reasons it might be time for an iOS desktop

I’ve been pushing my neighbor towards an iPad, but a Chromebook will be a lot more like what he’s used to, especially if it’ll handle an external mouse. And, of course, the big seller is that the iPad needs to be tethered to a PC, and the Chromebook doesn’t.

It’s a shame there are trade-offs here as well.

Google isn’t known for its tech support, so if something goes wrong, you’re still getting the call. On the other hand, if you’re in a metropolitan area, you could send your client to visit an Apple Store and talk to a “genius”. Sadly, if the problem is with the tethered PC or Mac, no amount of Apple genuishood will solve the problem.

Overall, I’m intrigued. The idea of a basic laptop that requires no maintenance from the “they’ll fix it at Thanksgiving” army has enormous appeal. There’s no doubt the Chromebook won’t be as sexy as the iPad, but if it just works, that’s more than sexy enough.

And that brings me full circle to the Democratic whip. Because while the iPad is easier to use while twisting arms, it still means system and device security is left to individual Congress-critters and their “I know a guy” mentality. Despite all the recent cloud disasters, it may just be safer to let Google manage congressional information than Apple and “the boy my cousin Marge knows who’s good with the Halo”.

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Yes, I know storing everything in the cloud can cause BIG security problems. But given what I’ve seen my neighbor do all on his own, I’m thinking some cloud-based action might actually be safer. So, what do you think? Has Google finally ushered in the post-PC era? Have you say below.

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Can't wait for the cancer
ohiomike12 Updated - 16th Jun
Can you image working around 50,000 wifi devices...It will be like a microwave.
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hornerea 13th May 2011
Ok, I get it. Itis easier to connect to wi-fi than physically to a PC. But, if I can't use the thing unless it is connrcted to a network I'm not sure it is usefull. And don't tell me 3G. Paying a Telco for a SECOND network connection in addition to my broadband, especially an inferior connection with draconian limits is unacceptable.

When we hit the 22nd century and universal free connectivity is the norm, we can talk about cloud computing as the only option.

Of course, IBM said mainframes were dead in '84 too.
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post pc
tatiGmail 13th May 2011
@hornerea 90% of things I do with my computer are on the internet. How much work can you accomplish without internet? In fact, i would say a PC without the internet is completely useless these days.
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your job and others
FADS_z 13th May 2011
@tatiGmail
Doc writer: office, snagit, ...
db developer/admin: sql server/oracle, ...
ea/system engineering: troux, system architect, visio, ...
pm: Office, MS project, ...
programmer: ...

One downturn, people without advanced skills may get ink slip, so, good luck.
@tatiGmail - depends on the app. The internet is a tool but not a panacea. Game developers need to build and test. Graphic designers and CAD engineers won't like the decrease in speed.

Most humans won't like it when they go over the monthly data cap and you know they will.

And given Google's own Terms of Service, the intellectual property I create is for ME to profit on. Not them.

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12691-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=71841&messageID=1388017&tag=content;col1
@tatiGmail

Depends on your job I guess. I know the teachers, staff, and students I support get really upset when the internet goes down or is running slow/acting up but they still can do much of their job without it. They can email back and forth internally, work with their local files, access records in the student management system for grades. Our business and HR departments can work with their databases of employees and update and distribute payroll, and they can use all the locally installed programs on the computer or network without a hitch.

While the internet is generally reliable it is not nearly as reliable as internal services.
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re: Post PC
Badgered 13th May 2011
@tatiGmail In fact, i would say a PC without the internet is completely useless these days.

Almost 40% of our PC's, and Thin Clients do not connect to the internet.
@badgered
you are mssing the point, both his comment and the article says nothing about work locations, the discussion is all about indiviual users, and stopping the "my son-in-law could fix that for you" problem most of us have to deal with every time the holidays come around.

Personally, i have one and would love it if it had citrix on it.
@tatiGmail I see your point but my iPad is plenty useful in between wifi connections.
@tatiGmail So that means that 10% of what you do with your computer is not on the internet yet if you had a Chromebook you would be required to be connected to do that 10%. What if you had to do that 10% before a deadline and didn't have a connection for whatever reason. With the Chromebook you miss your deadline but with pretty much anything else you can still get that 10% done in time. I have nothing against the Chromebook but it certainly isn't as cut and dry as you would like to make it.
@aiellenon Actually no, that was not the point of the article. The point of the article was hidden behind that disguise but that wasn't it. This was simply another chance for him to write a derogatory piece about Apple and/or iTunes. It was such an incredible jump from where it starting to the claims of what the story was supposed to be about that I found it pretty pathetic.
@hornerea - I agree. This is just another distributed operations device, not the next era.
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Do some research.
BaruchAtta 13th May 2011
The interface with anything iRelated is just horrible. I hate it when I plug in my iNano to recharge and all this iSoftware pops up. And it is impossible to just drag and drop into the iSoftware. My wife has a iPad, and it lacks a back button, the apps are separate from where you set parameters, and who knows what is going on in the iApp store? Oh, and IBM never said that mainframes are "dead". Do some research.
@hornerea
It may happen much sooner than 22nd century.
Do the math. A company with 50,000 windows PCs replaces 90% with cloud computing "ChromeOS like" terminals. Most of their internal apps are web based, as is the trend with many companies...

One year savings in hardware and support could be 20 or 30 million dollars. If they invested that money in fiber optics broadband, they could get desktop like speed and experience at a fraction of the PC (cost & support)...
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Can't wait for the cancer
ohiomike12 Updated - 16th Jun
Can you image working around 50,000 wifi devices...It will be like a microwave.
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You can do some things offline...
Mirek2 15th May 2011
@hornerea
With a built-in file browser, media player, PDF reader, and some HTML5 apps with offline support, you can do some things offline.

The sore thumb here seem to be productivity apps. But this will get better over time. Google's already planning an offline version of Google Docs, Google Calendar, and GMail, I believe. There are also some budding open-source projects like WebODF, which you could potentially use to work offline.
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News?
disparates 13th May 2011
You write about anything today...
Will the Chromebook hold over their short attention span until the iPad 3 comes out and then that will be the new gadget to kill all PCs?
@bobiroc

Keep dreaming, no iPad will kill the PC until the price drops dramatically AND the CPU needs 10x the power.
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banned from zdnet again and again Updated - 15th May 2011
@bobiroc
when one thing is for sure then it is that tech pundits and especially zdnet blogger didn't get the ipad when apple introduced it, still don't get it now one year later and will be caught totally off guard when apple will sell 100 million of the devices next year alone. someone who thinks that a notebook that is even slower than today's netbooks and is only properly working when having an internet connection is a "true post-PC" you know that this person must be totally clueless (and still thinks it can give advice to people).

it always boggles the mind coming here and reading the blogs of ed, adrian and david among others. if one thing is for sure than it's that they are really always wrong about the direction the tech market is heading. most of them probably still think that the onslaught of amazing android tablets (that somehow doesn't seem to materialize) will kill the ipad and that the playbook by rim is just awesome.
@banned from zdnet again and again
explain why you are still reading and posting here?

Fyi the playbook is awesome and I'd buy one if it were bigger, it is the closest thing I have seen to the perfect touch based OS. My wife and I both have and love our android phones (she is completely tech illiterate), we share a zune, and I am writing this from my Notion Ink Adam runnng android. All my computers have linux on them and not a piece of iCrap can be found in my house or on my harddives.
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poster boy
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@aiellenon
then you seem to be the perfect poster boy apple hater.

a zune! you gotta be kidding.
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David
Hasam1991 13th May 2011
Look at the predictions that were made on first Earth day back in the 70's.... point is, le't wait and see if users are going to buy this, personally I would rather have a Macbook Air... why pay Google $$$ to use a web browser? that they give away for free..
@Hasam1991 - it is NOT free.

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12691-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=71841&messageID=1388017&tag=content;col1

People are giving up a lot more than money and it's arguably a lot more valuable as well. Otherwise Google wouldn't want it. wink
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daengbo 13th May 2011
@HypnoToad72
Wow. We've come to the point where citing a ZDNet comment means something?

"to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media" and "for the provision of syndicated services"
11.1 means something related to what Joe_Raby, but the rest of the points are ignorant chatter.
@Hasam1991

I would rather have a windows pc. Better specs at a cheaper price.
Oh it's you. I'll make the effort.

Post-modern art did not mean the artists stopped using the materials of the modernists (generally described as early 20th century artists who, freed by photography from precise representation, proposed new theories of shape, color, and materials and then went and made the paintings, sculptures, and buildings in the style.

Post-modernism was a critique on modernist styles. Think of it as antithesis of modernists theses, if you want to get material dialectic about the whole thing.

So, while you are perfectly free to say that the Chromebook is the very model of a modern non-pc, I would comment that the device uses exactly the same von Neumann architecture that my Dad had in his IBM pc, 30 years back. The iPad as well. While everyone gets the advantages of networked synchronization, wired syncing has its good points: it's faster and the backup is automatic and to a separate device within the user's control.

I will say that both the iPad and the Chromebook do represent post-pc theories as to how to effect personal computation. The iPad is certainly capable of being a device for online storage, computation, and service consumption, however, an emphasis was made on native applications and roping off the explicit file system to all but Apple and its developers. Chromebook also moves beyond exposing the "/path/to/the/file" (or c:\ for you Windows folks) layer to the user.

But, really, "post-pc" is punditry blather or marketing-speak.

At this point it is a plastic concept, so, there it is, you're right, you're wrong, it's bragging rights babble, who cares, and I'm not sure "air tethering" as a binary checklist item constitutes a rigorous theory.

And, you know what? Whether or not the Chromebook or iPad are post-pc, if any company sulks about the way the peanut gallery rates the revolutionary quotient of its products, the sulking will be all the way to the bank.
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shaunehunter 13th May 2011
@DannyO_0x98

Just because a computer has a Von Neumann Architecture doesn't make it a PC. The computers hosting this Web Site have this architecture but you would call them a PC would you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

The term "Post PC" is a very apt term for the Chromebook in reference to Postmodern thought. As a terminal the chrome book only stores and executes the UI rather than the programs or information it's self. This blurs the lines of "Personal" because what you access is on the device is kept elsewhere. In many cases places you will never physically see. It also redefines the concept of a "Computer" because most of the computation you request on this device is completed by groups of physical computers you share with many others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_modern
@DannyO_0x98
Indeed, the phrase post-PC is just market speak. What is the difference between the chrome PC and the ancient mainframe?terminal model? Fundamentally, there is no difference at all. Its storage and most computing is done on the mainframe. This has been around since the earliest days of computing when somebody figured out how to connect a number of terminals to an expensive mainframe. Yes, of course we have modernized things a bit and extended the geographical area over which this supposedly new model operates. We have also eliminated the wires in most cases, but fundamentally, it is just the old mainframe?terminal model updated for the 21st century. If the mainframe/network dies, all the users are unable to do so much as a stitch of work.

One of the biggest reasons that the PC became popular in the first place, is that users could be independent of the network gurus and bosses and do their computing as they wanted, not beholden some administrator in some distant location. Ever since the old mainframe days, there have been attempts to get people to return to this dictatorial computing model. A number of years ago, there was this big push for "thin clients" connected to powerful servers. Other than technical specifications, what is the difference between a "thin client" or "chrome netbook" and an old IBM or other brand dumb terminal? Neither the old dumb terminal nor the "modern" up to date Google sponsored netbook are really fundamentally different from one another.

The iPad and other iDevices are designed to be set up by a computer. How many buyers of these new gadgets are there, who do not own, or have easy access to a real personal computer, which is capable of setting up and backing up the software and files these devices need and use.
@DannyO_0x98

Excellent post. Thanks. The interesting thing is that when looked at in the way presented by you (which I fully agree with), concepts are indeed plastic in the sense in which you mean it. Tragedy is that normatively, concepts are considered axiomatic and not plastic.
How is a laptop with a cloud OS a post-PC? It's still a PC! If that's the case the first post-pc is your smart phone. Post-PC needs to mean the removal of users from not only the standard definition of a PC but also from the standard look. Fact is post-pc occurred when people started doing most stuff on their phones instead of their computers. Tablets weren't the first and they won't be the last post-pc either.
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shaunehunter 13th May 2011
@KBot

Smart Phones are the "Post-PC" and the Chromebook is a really big one.
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Robert Hahn 13th May 2011
Ok, it is now time to officially retire the term "post PC." Acceptance of the talking points of goofballs who try to sell iTunes as some sort of evil conspiracy means we are in the "post sanity" era as far as this term is concerned.

The "evil iTunes" pitch is one of the lamest, stupidest talking points ever to escape from Microsoft's PR shop... and they've had some doozies.
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This doesn't mean...
Tholian_53 13th May 2011
@Robert Hahn
That iTunes isn't evil however.
@Tholian_53

iTunes isn't evil, it's just garbage.
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Not arguing that either...
Tholian_53 13th May 2011
@Hallowed are the Ori
I've found it to be both so "Evil Garbage" about covers what I think of iTunes...
@Robert Hahn

Perhaps iTunes is not evil, but clearly poor programming. Its a resource hog and needs advanced search capabilities. People expect better from Apple who has a reputation of designing easy user interfaces and things that 'just work'. Sorry Apple, iTunes just doesn't work that well.
And soon someone else will come out with the real real post-pc.
Save grampa from tech-guy, cause he's giving him bad advice. happy

Firstly I will say I have no doubt Apple will eventually allow over-the-air updates and syncing directly to the iPad (cloud). The iPad is just one year + few months old. It's still young yet at the same time way above the competition. So I don't think Apple is worried too much here, especially with the continued iPad adoption rate. Have you seen the lines lately? Do you think there will be such excitement for ChromeBooks? (rhetorical).

Sounds like the main reason you want him to get a ChromeBook is to cut down on the help calls? Well I've handed my parents an iPad for this very reason, and finally got rid of that old Dell PC. And guess what, the calls for help suddenly went away. There's no need for them to worry about updates or iTunes syncing, that is done by me whenever I happen to visit (other words, not all that important). The apps they mostly use now (email, photo, News reader, web etc) are all web/cloud based anyway so no need to worry about native backups from the device.

The iPad imo is a much easier and more natural UI for Gramps to use (NUI, multi-touch) than a Notebook with an old cumbersome mouse pointer, and keyboard with strange new character keys to learn. Looks like the same ol' traditional stale Notebook PC design, with just a browser and tabs as the UI. How is this post-pc when it's taking us back to a 30 year PC concept of mouse pointer and keyboard on the desk?
@dave95.

Dave, how'd your parents take to multi-touch (and how old are they)? I'm concerned about older hand doing manipulating the screen (which is challenging for some) and seeing the iPad. But I'm very curious about how it's worked out for you.

I'm guessing you set up their iPad on your laptop and then sync and update on visits?

And yes, I'm trying to find ways to let them be more self-sufficient. Because of my schedule, I'm rarely available to them, so if they can make things work without calling me, then they'll be much happier.
@David Gewirtz

They're both in their early 60's. It took a bit to get them from the mentality of using a mouse for everything to now using their fingers only, but eventually they warm to it. It's certainly allot easier than having to maneuver the complexity that is Windows. The old Dell went largely unused for long stretch of times because of frustrations (and because their son doesn't have the time to come over, this time). Their use case for the iPad is basic - email they use quite often (I set them up with GMail accounts which they can use through the mail app). They use FaceTime also and they read a few news apps like the NYT and surf the web. But that's basically it, they don't need anything else from a PC (or post-pc device). And it's certainly easier and natural imo for this age group to tap on an app and drag their finger to maneuver than having to deal with a mouse/Touchpad.

And yes the updates/syncing is all done on my laptop.
Okay ZDNet is starting to become a joke. I think I'll have to start reading news elsewhere because the title of this 'blog' make me laugh. Obviously someone spends too much time in a downtown metropolitan area and doesn't know how the vast majority of the world works. WiFi is rarely available even in suburbia and data charges can run you into bankrupcy. Even with my phone I only turn WiFi on when I'm at home or the office, the movie theatre doesn't have it, most restaurants don't offer it...shopping centers only in specific areas... The Chomebook? haha...PLEASE...its a paper weight 95% of the time.
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Where do you live?
shaunehunter 13th May 2011
@GeiselS@...

Definitely not Canada.
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I'll give you that there are likely growing numbers who would like to use a tablet as a primary info/communications device with no need to ever sync it with a PC.

We're already there in day-to-day usage with app stores & content stores, but need a solution for system upgrades and data/content backups. That's all that's currently lacking and it's an incremental improvement that might and hopefully will appear in the next generations of iOS and Android.
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Are we ready for internet only?
011010100010100 13th May 2011
Ubiquitous data connections with transparent and understandable pricing plans are not de rigueur here in the UK. I can't see a Chromebook being a viable machine for me until then, really.

Nice to see it being rolled out, but it still feels a bit 'Larry Ellison' to me - i.e. network PCs would have been good for his business model, but that wasn't enough for them to take off.

Can't resist feeding the trolls with the suggestion that Mac owners are already living in the post-PC era.....

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Hmm... why is it that I am productive when I am offline???

Computers are only one of many tools that use and need. A connection to the internet is like a telephone line: Use when needed, anything more than that is a hassle.
( I used to hate the phone, now I hate e-mail!!!)
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How many times does Google need to fail before (some) people realize they just aren't innovative at all?

Yes, we really want a device that can only do a small subset of what every other netbook has been able to do for years already! This stuff is "innovative" people! No really, it is.

FAIL
Stick to the technical commentary, that is usually good, but snide political comments should be omitted.
If you are forced to use only one browser embedded into the OS, I wonder if it changes all of the anti-trust lawsuits that were out there against Microsoft over IE. What if someone prefers Opera or FireFox over Chrome? I'm not impressed by something that costs over $1000 in the long run and isn't as good as a netbook.
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Google would have to be dominant
WilErz 14th May 2011
@ MadWhiteHatter

Google would have to be dominant in the lobotomised-netbook/thin-client/dumb-terminal (whatever you want to call it) or web browser markets for the bundling of the ChromeBook and Chrome to be potentially anti-competitive.

Having said that, if the ChromeBook defaults to Google for search, that may be anti-competitive, since Google are dominant in web search/advertising, and this could be seen as an attempt to create additional barriers to entry in the web search/advertising market.
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When I started in computers, my high school had a dumb terminal. It was connected to a college server and we could look up things, even play football against the server. No it did not have a monitor it had a dot matrix printer for a screen. This ChromeBook sounds like todays version of that. Sure a bit more graphics and stuff. But still rather dumb.

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