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With no apparent legal leg to stand on, Senator Bob Casey pressures Apple to remove app

By | December 13, 2011, 5:00am PST

Summary: If we allow our politicians to treat online activities as unworthy of fundamental American rights, we will be allowing them to erode our fundamental American rights.

ACT I - A tale of two telephones

Ring. One-ringy-dingy. Two-ringy-dingy.

APPLE: “Hello, Apple, how may we sell you?”

SENATOR: “Hello comrades. Zees is Comrade Senator Bob Casey of ze Politburo of ze United States. Ve disapprove of, what you call it? App? Yes, app. Ve disapprove of app you allow on your app store.”

APPLE: “Well, to be fair, sir, many people disagree with us. Have you read ever read ZDNet? Those people, sheesh.”

SENATOR: “No, ve are not talking of ze Zee-Dee-Net. Ve are talking an app ve want you to disappear.”

APPLE: “I’m sorry, sir, we don’t just take things off our store.”

SENATOR: “Yes you do. Ve read about it all the time. Zose Zee-Dee-Net peoples are alvays complaining.”

APPLE: “Oh, that’s right, we do. Who’s hard work would you like us to delete? Who’s income stream would you like us to destroy?”

SENATOR: “Zat’s much better. Vee wish you to delete ze app from zees driver training company.”

APPLE: “Consider it done, sir. They never existed.”

ACT II - Back at the Comrade Senator’s office

Dancing. High-fiving. Celebrating.

COMRADE SENATOR’S AIDE #1: “Vee did it. Vee did it. Vee did it! Vee disappeared zoss bastards.”

COMRADE SENATOR’S AIDE #2: “And it vas so easy. Ve didn’t even have to go to court, file charges, or even contact the company.”

COMRADE SENATOR’S AIDE #1: “Of course not. Zees is the age of the Internet. All that due process ztuff no long longer applies. Vee just demand, and eet happens.”

COMRADE SENATOR’S AIDE #2: “Ain’t America grand? Let’s issue a press release. Zees is sure to net us big dollars from our contributors.”

COMRADE SENATOR’S AIDE #1: “Yeah, zat iz true. And ZNN might even put our man on air and congratulate him for being all about law and order.”

COMRADE SENATOR’S AIDE #2: “Vee are all about ze law and order. Our orders, who cares about the law?”

Laughing. Back-slapping. Chortling.

COMRADE SENATOR’S AIDE #1: “Yah. Vee are ze law.”

ACT III - The real story

Here we go again. Another government official has decided to attack a small business without due process, appeal, or even warning.

See also: Ridiculous: judge orders sites de-indexed from Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

In this case, Senator Robert P. Casey, Jr. decided he wanted to have an app removed from Apple’s App store. Now, to be clear, the app was somewhat ill-advised. It was a joke app that let users make images of drivers’ licenses from all 50-states, put in fun names, and fun pictures, and share those images online.

Falsifying drivers’ licenses for fun? Not the smartest move, ever.

The app was produced by DriversEd.com, which provides government-supported drivers’ education training throughout the United States. In other words, they’re probably one of the good guys. It was probably meant in good fun, although ill-advised.

But Casey didn’t like the app. The concern about fake IDs is obvious, but his way of going about solving the problem says volumes about how our politicians respect businesses that operate online.

News Flash: Most businesses will operate online sooner or later, so if we allow our politicians to treat online activities as unworthy of fundamental American rights, we will be allowing them to erode our fundamental American rights.

Rather than contacting the vendor, or even filing legal papers against DriversEd.com (which, technically, he probably couldn’t because they may not have been actually violating the law), Casey called on a higher power. He wrote to Apple’s CEO, Tim Cook, and asked Cook to have the application removed.

Cook did. The application is now gone.

Casey was then so proud of himself that he issued a press release, crowing “I urged Apple to take the responsible step of removing this dangerous app, and I’m pleased that the app is no longer available in the store.”

Comrade Senator seemed quite pleased with himself. After all, it’s much easier to use your clout to make a phone call than it is to jump through the hoops to employ proper legal means that demonstrate the respect of the fundamental rights of American citizens that one would expect from a lawmaker.

Let me be clear: it’s not that I support an app that lets you create images of drivers’ licenses, because there are obvious problems. It’s that I condemn the way Casey acted, going outside the bounds of the laws he’s sworn to uphold and defend, using his influence to attack a small business, and having the bad taste to brag about it.

I’m posting this because I’m starting to get a little worried about this trend I’m seeing of simple complaints resulting in loss of domain names and loss of app distribution, with no recourse or warning, no due process, and no checks and balances. This doesn’t seem like how America should run.

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RE: With no apparent legal leg to stand on, Senator Bob Casey pressures Apple to remove app
txmadmansatx 21st Dec
You must understand that Tim Cook is the CEO of a company that sells products that may in the future need to get some law changed so that they can have an advantage. By complying with this request, now Tim can go back the Senator to ask for favor from the Senator. That's the way things get done, it's known as: if you scratch my back now, then I will scratch yours later.
Err... While I "kinda" agree with your stance on "due process", I think this example doesn't help your case. Anyone with even the slightest intelligence can see that an app that can be used to falsify government documents is a "bad idea", and given this "common sense" would suggest you should remove it from distribution.

Now I'd say this is "exceptional" most of the time I'd not want it "to go down like that", but given the obvious problems in this case, I think we can "let this slide".

A better question is "which numbskull in Apple approved this in the first place?"
@jeremychappell On the other hand, two wrongs don't make a right. That is why the US has a judicial system.

If they have acted incorrectly, let them stand before a court and have judgement passed on them.

If he thought the app was illegal, he could have gotten an injunction and stopped the app from being distributed, legally, before the matter was settled.

Instead, he seems to think the US law is a long winded inconvinience and he should just have his way, whether he is in the right or not.

This is as bad as ICE redirecting domains belonging to companies and individuals outside the USA, without informing them, giving them a chance to defend themselves or taking them to court!

Or the (un)Patriot(ic) Act leaving Europeans open to prosecution, if they dare to put their data in the cloud.

The US polit seems to hold itself for judge, jury and executioner for the whole world, courts and rights be damned!
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davidr69 13th Dec
@wright_is How long would that take and how much taxpayer money would go into this? The senator did not force the company to do anything, and the author's label of "attacking" is so misplaced. Let's say someone creates an app that aides you in performing criminal activity ... creating a bomb, acquiring a gun, etc. ... how long do we wait for the judicial process to address this? In the interim, people's lives are at risk.
@davidr69 Let's say someone creates an app that aides you in performing criminal activity ... creating a bomb, acquiring a gun, etc. ... how long do we wait for the judicial process to address this? In the interim, people's lives are at risk.

You do realize that this same argument could be used about the internet, right/ What is to stop someone from using Google to search bombmaking, from searching for places to buy guns, or whatever?
@wright_is There's no legal process to go on here. I used to work at the HQ of a major retailer. If we decided to discontinue selling a product, that's not a legal issue, that's a corporate issue. No one is legally entitled to have their products on someone's shelf space (real or virtual).
It's the same with "freedom of speech". That prevents the government from prosecuting you for what you say. It doesn't mandate that your local newspaper has to run your letter to the editor, Facebook must allow you to post anything you want to their website, ZDNet comments can't be deleted, etc.
Apple reserves the right to delete apps from their store for any, every or no reason, and they did so... and they had the right to. Senator Casey didn't violate any "legal due process", nor did Apple. I wouldn't want software I made soft under terms like that, but that's another issue. The vendor agreed to them and Apple executed them. I don't see what the problem is, other than that the complainant is an elected official vs. an advocacy group, religious group, consumer group, audience of some outraged talking head, readers of a ZDNet blogger, etc.
@david69 That is why you get an injunction, like Apple have done with Samsung in several countries. They aren't allowed to sell the phones or tablets, because they "could" breach copyright.

They can't sell their devices, until they either win an appeal or they win the case, in which case, Apple will have to pay them damages.

The same should be the case here. The Senator believes the app is illegal or could promote illegal activity, fine. Get an injunction, then sort it out in court. If he is wrong, he has to pay up for lost trade.

@jgm Yes, Apple can decide not to sell apps, it has a process, where apps are screened and unsuitable apps are blocked and the author either has to give up or adjust the app to comply with Apple's rules.

The difference between a retail store and Apple's App Store is, that if a retailer decides not to stock my product, I can go to another retailer and if none want to stock it, I can sell it direct. HOW do I do that with an iOS app? How can I sell directly to users?

Apple should have an extra duty of care, in these situations, that they only remove an app if it breaks a law or an injunction is produced to block the app, until the matter is cleared.

Look at the cases of the websites that ICE took off line last year, dajaz1 was offline for a year, even though they did nothing illegal and had waivers for all the content they hosted. After over 12 months offline, ICE releases the domain back to its owner, no apology, no compensation, nothing! How is that in any way or form justice?
@jeremychappell

The app can no more be used to falsify legal documents than photoshop or MS paint can be used to do the job. Unless the app also points you to a nice illegal supplier of raw stock and unless the app also shows how to include all the nice security features. The app was a funny image file of a license, not an actual method of creating a fake license. Maybe 20-25 years ago when everyone was still using simple paper licenses this might have been a concern. Then again, maybe the Senator is still living in that world.
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rock06r 13th Dec
@jeremychappell

Some app "claiming" that the earth was created billions of years ago, that Man didn't walk alongside of Brontosaurus Rex? Sheesh, Newt might want to find that one offensive enough to snub it out!

Doesn't everyone watch Terra Nova? It makes it clear that the Earth was created last Tuesday, people !!!! Just check the "good book", it'll 'xplain everythin'.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of complaining about $10,000 bets.
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omdguy 13th Dec
@rock06r

OK, I laughed out loud at that, nice work! happy
@jeremychappell Actions like this establish bad precedents which can later be used to excuse even worse behaviors by the government. Government employees should not be allowed to bypass rules which are there for a reason. Repeatedly skirting due process and checks & balances is why all of our digital communication is now monitored gestapo-style by rooms full of NSA equipment installed at every major communication hub in the U.S.A.

Read about it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/23/politics/main1165139.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;2
@BillDem
It was REQUESTED that they remove the app, not forced by any government means, and honestly if any request wether you agree with it or not can be decided without an expensive and taxpayer paid court system and all the high paid litigators is a benefit as far as I see it. Now anybody who really saw worth in this app can go download fart apps all day long and not offend anyone.
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Meanwhile back in the real world
use_what_works_4_U 13th Dec
@partman1969
If you are a heavily watch-dogged corporation, and a United States Congressperson urges you to take a particular action, what do you call that? You call that pressure.
To quote the 'good' Legislator "I **urged** Apple to take the responsible step of removing this dangerous app, and I???m pleased that the app is no longer available in the store." (emphasis added)

This is the real world and in the real world people with clout exert pressure every time they open their mouths. That's what clout is! If you think a sitting member of Congress doesn't have it, then either you don't live in the USA, or you're not really thinking about it.
@partman1969 So I can use the Android App Market and download fart apps all day long and not offend anyone? Cool. because there are at least 1,000 fart apps available on Google's Android App Market that I can try. Oh wait, that was a closet fandroid's wannabe burn on iOS then. Right. Got it.

Like I said above this move - despite the costs savings - sets a dangerous precedent. What is to stop Senator Casey, President Obama, or any other governmental figure from requesting an app that somehow offends them to be removed from the App Store or even one of the Android App markets? After all Tim Cook did it once, right? IMHO Cook is a spineless worm for pulling the app at Casey's request. he should not have pulled the app without some sort of review of the app to see if it follows the guidelines of the Apple App Store and then act accordingly.
@BillDem What rules were bypassed? What due process? What checks and balances? Everyone is repeated Mr. Gerwirtz's faux outrage without being able to explain what they're outraged about. This is precisely the same as Apple deleting any other app from their store under their own arbitrary/undefined set of policies.
@jeremychappell
There is an approval process that all apps have to go through before they are allowed in the app store. Thank you for pointing out that nobody involved in this process has "even the slightest intelligence", which explains how the app got there in the first place.
@jeremychappell "let it slide" THIS time? Ok, so who gets to define when the line is crossed? Isn't that what the courts are for? Again, its not about the App, its about HOW the process was done. Without checks and balances, we have dictatorships.
@ccs9623 Again... what law do you imagine was sidestepped? The law that once Apple begins selling your product, it must do so forever? *I* signed a petition to ask Steve Jobs to remove an app from his store that, under the guise of being a "questionaire", was really a horribly offensive attack against homosexual people, gay marriage, and related issues. Mr. Jobs agreed with the petitioners and had the app removed. Were the tens of thousands who signed the petition violating some court or legal rule? Did Mr. Jobs initiate a government dictatorship when he removed this app? Or did he just execute the rights Apple had reserved to remove apps from the store?

This faux outrage is ridiculous.
@jeremychappell Not having seen the app I wonder if it was more in line with some of the fake driver's licenses one can find at a tourist trap... and really who would have a driver's license on a mobile phone anyhow? It STILL would not be legal identification.

Moving on to Senator Casey - why did he think it was right to write Tim Cook to have a app taken off of the market? We have legal due process for a reason and Senator Casey just bypassed it. Tim Cook is also to blame for that as he had his minions remove the app.

Here are the facts: An app in Apple's App Store that displeased the senator was removed without due process. It was never proven that the app was illegal.

This has now set a precedent. What is to stop Tim Cook from removing any other apps that Senator Casey, the Senate, or any other government decides does not belong?
@jeremychappell

OMG! The Secret Service MUST immediately raid every dollar store in America! They had a $200 bill with Bill Clinton's face on it!
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In the U.S. you can invoke your 1st amendment rights and publish a book on how to create an atomic bomb, but you're lucky if amazon or any other bookstore will allow you to sell it.

I think this is a common practice on brick-and-mortar and see no reason it won't apply to the click-and-mortar.
What he did: Okay, yeah, probably good
How he did it: Possible political suicide
How he handled how he did it: Jumping off a political cliff with a grenade in each hand, basically.
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use_what_works_4_U 13th Dec
@sandman366
Well said!
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You are stretching
Michael Kelly 13th Dec
Apple knows Casey did not have a legal leg to stand on. Apple isn't dumb and isn't weak and isn't about to let anybody push them around. Yet they obliged his request anyway.

Maybe, just maybe this one time, this is a case where two people talked things over calmly and rationally and common sense prevailed.
@Michael Kelly,

Agreed, and I feel that Google, Microsoft, and Amazon all would have done the same had the app been in their app stores as well.
@Michael Kelly

Two powerful, generally clueless people made a decision regarding third parties without consulting any of them. Being rational and being a dick are not the same thing.
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@tkejlboom... these people being clueless and blank I think you should back such statements up with some sort of facts and or history. Just because you say something is so... does not make it so.

Pagan jim
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When Senators are gods
Robert Hahn 13th Dec
You guys at ZDNet are trying to have it both ways. Why did Casey do this? Because he knew he could get favorable press for it. Why would he think that? Take a look at the coverage right here when The Gentleman From Minnesota, or Saturday Night Live, jumped down CarrierIQ's neck. Again, no one is defending CarrierIQ, it's just that Senators are not law enforcement officials with wide-ranging supra-Constitutional powers. Yet Franken was treated exactly like that for doing exactly the same thing Casey is doing here: grandstanding for the press.
@Robert Hahn Bragging about getting legally-grey things out is one thing. Bragging about it saying he skipped courts sounds legally-grey as well. So, what..the ends justify the means now? If that's true, putting the US under martial law would be justified if it ended 95% of crime?
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use_what_works_4_U 13th Dec
@sandman366
To me bragging about skipping due process doesn't sound 'legally grey' it sounds illegally abusive.
@Robert Hahn

Franken is a prick, too. I think what he said to Eric Schmidt when he was called to testify before the subcommittee on antitrust was extortion, plain and simple.
The whole comparing him to a communist thing is stupid. What does that even have to do with the story? If you wanted to make your point, you should have had him be a tattle-tale. Because, really, he did nothing but tell Apple that the app is violating their TOS, at least in spirit. Apple is the one that decided to remove the app. The senator didn't really do anything other than complain to them. If anything, he sounds immature for bragging about it. But really, you sound even more so with your approach.
@jt1012312 Because the "communist thing" is probably the image of a totalitarian regime that most people can relate to.
@jt1012312 Okay then HOW did the app violate Apple's TOS? Having a form of identification on a mobile device is NOT a legal means of identification so it did not violate any laws. It did not duplicate any functionality of the core OS or any apps bundled with the core OS. So it did nothing illegal and did not duplicate core functionality. All it did was offend a senator. Whoop de f'king doo.

Casey was wrong to request the app be removed to begin with as it did nothing illegal. Cook was wrong to pull the app.
when Lowes decides to pull advertising on a TV show because they received customer complaints about it.

Because the tyranny that makes you feel morally superior is the tyranny you embrace (or the tyranny that gives you freebies). Right Mr. Government should run our health care?
@baggins_z
Absolutely agreed.
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No, I don't think it's OK
John L. Ries 13th Dec
@baggins_z
Customers have the right to complain and sponsors have the right to act. And those shows that can't get commercial sponsors have other venues they can use to reach their audiences.

But these sorts of tactics tend to be much more effective in concentrated markets than in competitive ones.
I don't see anywhere in his letter that Senator Casey pressured Apple to do this. It was a well-written letter, posting his concern to Apple. Just because there are legal avenues for the government to force companies to comply to its demands, doesn't mean that the government (or individuals who happen to work for the government) should limit themselves to strong arm tactics, especially when a polite letter gets the job done for 1/1000 of the cost.
@SleepyBob
What turnip truck did you just fall off of? If a US Senator bothers to right to you to "request" that you do something OF COURSE they are pressuring you. The request is pressure by it's very existence, and anyone who has the slightest sense of how political power works understands that.
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If not pressure, then bad taste
VBJackson 13th Dec
@SleepyBob
While I certainly can sympathise with your contention that the letter didn't explicitly pressure Apple, most people would consider a request directly from a Senator to imply a certain amout of push.
In fact, if it HADN'T been a Senator that wrote to Apple, nobady would be having this conversation.

Yes, not only was the app was ill-conceived, it probably violated the app store term and conditions.
And No, it most likely couldn't be used to make actual fake IDs.

The fact that the request came from the Senator's office seems to raise an issue with a certain segment of the population that wouldn't even rate mention, or might have come out with good press, if a regular citizen had pointed out to Apple that they had this app in the store.

The part that most of us CAN agree on is that whatever the starting point, the Senator's blatent attempt to use the occasion as a big "See what I can do that you can't" message is not just in poor taste, it is offensive to the values of the Internet community.
I don't see any of this pressuring you speak of.

Nice linkbait headline tho...
@wendellgee@...

See my reply above to SleepyBob.
@Benabbydk
You sound really paranoid, but then again I guess if you can force healthcare on the American people..................................anything goes.
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Tim Cook was the culprit here!
mwagner@... 13th Dec
Ever since 9/11, the U.S. Government has been running roughshod over personal and corporate freedoms regarding privacy, protections from unreasonable search and seizure, and so on...

Prior to 9/11, coerporate entities wnet out of their way to INSIST upon a duly executed search warrant (or court order - in cases like this) but no more!

Shame on those corporate entities and SHAME ON TIM COOK! Shame on Senator Casey, and Shame on the United States Senate for passing a law holding corporate entities blameless for cooperating with the government when they violate their own laws.
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I don't know how much more plainly I could put it. This is clearly abuse of power. Worse from the perspective of the entire country, it's anti-business and anti-job.

People make apps to fill a need. Apps make money for people. So killing apps kills jobs, kills income, and kills income tax revenue. Which means Senator Bob Casey is actively working to bankrupt the Federal government.

What this bullying, lazy, hopped up politician should have done was check to see if the app broke any laws. If it did, then calling Apple and notifying them of it would have been an appropriate first step, followed by a court order if necessary. If it didn't break any laws, and I doubt it did, then requesting them to insert a watermark in the image, or something similiar, to identify it as not being a real license would have preserved the value of the app as a revenue generator.

No, Casey did pressure Apple to remove it. Maybe not a lot, but going for immediate removal rather than alteration clearly shows this was a hostile, adversarial exchange. Not a business friendly suggestion. And not the actions of a responsible Senator.
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By giving itself a veto...
John L. Ries Updated - 13th Dec
@Dr_Zinj
...over what applications can be installed on an iOS system, Apple has opened itself up to exactly the sort of pressure exerted by Sen Casey. Were users free to install whatever apps they liked, Apple could have barred the app in question from its own market, but not prevented users from installing it from other sources (in which case, Mr. Casey probably wouldn't have bothered).
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Good argument against walled gardens
John L. Ries Updated - 13th Dec
If applications can only be obtained through a single source, it's easier for politicians and pressure groups to "encourage" that source to exercise de facto censorship on their behalf. This is much more difficult if the user can install whatever apps he wants (even his own).
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@John L. Ries... the positives and negatives of the Walled Garden. I love it myself. One stop shopping being one for I HATE shopping and looking for what I want. I just want to go to a place buy what I want/need and be done with it as quickly as possible and get back to living. Second being in the computer repair and support business for as long as I have been I've seen the downside to the method you preach. Like it or not not not every developer is a good one or a smart one and never has it been so and as long as developers remain human beings never will it be so. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen problems with Apps that conflicted with other Apps or the OS!?! It is truly beyond counting and the range of difficulties it caused consumers from the slightly annoying to disaster has proven to be incredible. You may not like the Walled Garden... I get that. But trust me I have equally good reasons and experiences for my love of said:)

Pagan jim
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@James Quinn
Fewer decisions for the customer to make. But it's also easier for governments and pressure groups to exert control over monopolies and oligopolies than over competitive markets, not to mention that the control exercised by vendors themselves is not always benevolent.

Personally, I value my freedom more than I value the convenience. Were it otherwise, I probably wouldn't have walked away from DOS/Windows in 1995.

I think a better approach for Apple would be to publish a set of standards for developers to follow, certify those programs that follow them (for a fee approximately equal to the cost of vetting the program), but still allow users to install whatever apps they like, at their own risk; that is, Apple would guarantee that programs it approved will play well with the system and with other certified apps, but no others.
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@John L. Ries ... It could very well be common sense as I said in a post I made below yours. Sure a single source is easier to control than a multitude but it is easier to control the bad as well and that is my point. In your world it is far more likely for the consumer to become the beta tester or worse than beta tester and get ripped off but the less than good vendor. There are admittedly plusses and minuses to both methods but so far I've yet to notice my "freedoms" infringed upon in the least with Apple's policies as of yet at least. Also I can say that I am free of "concerns" and difficulties that I've experiences both as a consumer and support person in the alternative. And yes I see value in that.

Pagan jim
Because when it comes to Apple you sir are well sort of a weenie. That said your premise here is 100 % correct. However I think this may be just a case of one slipping buy and the call woke Apple up to a huge potential problem in the future. Imagine if you will someone or some college group of hackers using this app to create false ID's and a death due to drinking on the road or simple excess occurs do you think Apple would not be in the crosshairs? No this was not so much pressure but commonsense. At least I think. Still keep up the good fight sir for once and likely only this once we agree on something.

Pagan jim
You must understand that Tim Cook is the CEO of a company that sells products that may in the future need to get some law changed so that they can have an advantage. By complying with this request, now Tim can go back the Senator to ask for favor from the Senator. That's the way things get done, it's known as: if you scratch my back now, then I will scratch yours later.

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