You wanna cyberwar? We'll give ya a cyberwar -- and it's gonna be fun!

By | February 21, 2011, 7:00am PST

Summary: Anonymous vs. the Westboro Baptist Church. You could sell tickets.

Update: This just gets better and better. According to a post by Anonymous (we think), the original threat may not have come from Anonymous, but instead by the WBC, trying to raise more awareness and get more visibility. No matter how you interpret this thing, remember one fact: people is crazy.

This week, I was going to embark on a formal definition of cyberwar, quoting from some of the greats of military history. But that’s all going by the wayside today to report on the upcoming battle between the Westboro Baptist Church and Anonymous.

This is almost going to be more fun that watching a debate between Sarah Palin and, well, just about anyone else.

I have a warm place in my heart for Anonymous. Now, as a law-and-order guy, I have to point out that they sometimes break the law, and that’s not something to be officially tolerated. But these guys have spirit. They’re willing to make waves. They take on some of the good fights.

Plus, they’re funny. I mean, YouTube Porn Day? Masterful. Wrong — very, very, very wrong — but masterful.

Then there’s the Westboro Baptist Church. I don’t normally take on religious organizations because, no matter how deluded they may seem to me, I generally believe devout people have the right to believe as they wish. But some organizations revel in wrapping themselves in the cloak of religiosity as a form of protection while they spread hate and anguish among their victims.

Westboro Baptist Church is one of those.

Crazy old Fred Phelps and his followers have protested outside funerals (including those of United States Marines), and verbally assaulting grieving families. These creeps actually issued a press release thanking their deity when thousands of people died in an earthquake in China and praised the attacks on 9/11. The list of nutball behaviors goes on and on, including repeated desecrations of the American flag.

No matter how you spin it, Phelps and his followers aren’t exactly the poster children for good Christians (or sanity).

CBS News: Hackers warn Westboro Church: Stop now or else

Somehow or another, the WBC came to the attention of Anonymous, an organization of slightly unhinged geeks who unleash cyberattacks on pretty much anyone who annoys them.

This week, Anonymous issued an ultimatum, which essentially told the WBC folk to stop their heinous behavior or Anonymous will unleash a can of whoop on ya’ll. One particularly juicy line:

We will target your public Websites, and the propaganda & detestable doctrine that you promote will be eradicated; the damage incurred will be irreversible, and neither your institution nor your congregation will ever be able to fully recover.

Now, let’s be clear on something. Anonymous is effective. They have a very powerful DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) network and they’ve unleashed it with substantial success in the past.

So — and here comes the funny — just how does Westboro Baptist Church respond? Do they run to their lawyers or law enforcement? Do they think about the sorts of activities they’ve done all these years and wonder, really, whether the fight with Anonymous is worth it?

No, no they don’t. Instead, they bait the angry dog. Here’s the response by Phelps’ granddaughter (yes, apparently, he did reproduce, disturbing as that may be):

Twitter address obscured on purpose. Don’t follow her.

Now can you see what I mean by fun?

Look, I can’t condone cyberattacks by anyone, but darn it all if — wink, wink, nudge, nudge — this one might be worth turning the other cheek and looking away for just a little while while Anonymous dishes out some well-deserved justice the old-fashioned, digital way.

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RE: You wanna cyberwar? We'll give ya a cyberwar -- and it's gonna be fun!
neilrued@... 25th Feb 2011
I left out one more closing remark:
As a result of the illogical inconsistencies in the Bible, and the encouragement offered by this cult text that I am to be cursed if I try to learn and acquire wisdom to improve my life, I decided to become an Atheist. I have been very happy with that decision since I started to deprogram myself and to live a full rich and happy life.
"No matter how you spin it, Phelps and his followers aren?t exactly the poster children for good Christians (or sanity)."

Christianity is about love. These people, like many may claim to be Christians, and even use "Baptist" in the name to seem more like a church, but the actions and even their thought process is very non-Christian.

God loves the gay people they hate just as much as he loves them... that probably makes their blood boil...

SInce they seem to follow many teachings of Christ, even if not all, they cannot back down to a threat against their religious beliefs... but I wouldn't have been surprised if they did, as they don't really seem to be Christians.
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Love ... and other nonsense
rock06r 21st Feb 2011
@doh123

"Christianity is about love".... that's just ... precious. I know I'm gonna sound a little like a hate-monger. Nothing could be further from the truth. But... I can't let this one go.

Are we talking about the same religion that had ... you know ... those "loving" things like ... inquisitions, witch burnings, the crusades?

The same religion, that to this day, still holds that women can't be heads of the religion (catholic and greek orthodoxy)?

The same religion, that to this day still preaches against gays (and yeah, parts of the protestant churches are included in this one)?

But I guess the *rest* of it is all "peace and love". Let's just forget roughly 1500+ years of history...or so.

Typical...members of a religion looking at the things they belief in and cherry-picking what they are willing to talk about.

Disclaimer: I am in no way advocating for ANY other religion. Except ... maybe Appledeism and SteveJobs-ism. They're ... naaaaiiiice.
@rock06r
just like WBC... not everyone that claims to be Christians actually are.

Many things done in the past (and currently just like WBC) in the name of Christianity are actually works of satan. He does everything he can to mislead people in his war against God.

These bad things happen usualyl because of just a few people... who twist regligious teachings and writing to seem to means something other than they do. Just looking all over WBC's website, they have tons of quotes from the bible taken completely out of context and used in ways that they don't even fit... but if you just glance at them it sounds like they do. People need to learn things for themselves and stop trusting what other people are telling them... when those other people are just trying to use you for their own ends.

The "Catholic" church unfortunately is not Christian... there are some Christians mixed up in there and lost, but the Church itself was just made to take Christianity and to try to use it to control people.

People also seem to (with many religions) mix up culture and tradition with actual religious teachings. Women not being in charge is not a "Christian" thing, its people taking certain teachings and trying to twist them to fit anything else they want them to fit into, even if they shouldn't be.
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@rock06r if you want to group all religous zealots as the same thing, go ahead - it just shows how much you don't understand.

Just as Steve Jobs can fool his customers into buying and doing anything Jobs wants, so too can religous leaders use their followers against others they don't like.

ll you know is of those who make the news - you never hear of those that do follow the teachings of love because it's not as sensational (pretty boring to watch people sitting in church or helping a stranger) as someone strapping an AK-47 to their arm killing anyone who doesn't believe.
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Michael Alan Goff 21st Feb 2011
That doesn't mean people don't misuse it.
you aren't making much of a case.
@Ron Burgenduy
"Just as Steve Jobs can fool his customers into buying and doing anything Jobs wants, so too can religous leaders use their followers against others they don't like."

gewirtz loves you i'm sure. the sane world thinks you need a time out.
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Don't have to go back 500 years....
rock06r 22nd Feb 2011
frgough@...

Women still can't be pope. That's TODAY, not 500 years ago. The Catholic church was aligned with the Nazi's in WWII - Jewish owned art ended up in the Vatican. That's about 65 years ago, not 500.

Should I include those recent events like the TV Evangelists that got caught keeping millions of dollars for themselves (ongoing?).

The idea that "the devil" is a separate entity from the rest of the church is... even more crazy than subscribing to the rest of this nonsense in the first place.
@rock06r
what's your point? rabins & preachers stealing exists, existed & will exist
What do you care about the pope not being a female? leave that to feminist, are you a feminist?
Churches are human entities, and battlefield #1 of good & evil. You think churches must desappear? of course, if you're intelligent must known that churches, as well as corrupted officers, always existed & will exist.
it seems the open letter to WBC could be a hoax...

i'd still enjoy watching WBC get taken down tho.
@Lone Goat
just like WBC pickets anywhere to get attention, and even bombed themselves to blame others.. for the attention... it is possible they did this whole thing as a hoax, to also get attention.
@Lone Goat I'd enjoy them being taken down too...with a nuke.
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unintended consequences....
snberk341 21st Feb 2011
Great. An organization that thrives on publicity (and I'm not talking about Anonymous) is now thrust once again into the spotlight where it's teachings will be trotted out for the mainstream media.

The WBC online presence is not critical to their operation. In fact I'm sure it exists solely to broadcast their messages. So they lose a channel that reaches thousands a day in exchange for a channel that reaches millions....

And in a matter of weeks Anonymous moves on, the WBC gets their online presence back, and they will have hundreds if not thousands of new followers who were introduced to the WBC message thanks to Anonymous.

Baiting Anonymous was the smartest thing WBC could have done - if they wanted their message spread - and so they did. Makes a compelling story even better. Expect to see more pithy comments from the WBC. I'll bet that grand-daughter has a degree in communications....

I don't think this is what the vigilante group - and make no mistake about that, they are a vigilante group - had in mind.
@snberk341 Actually, she's an attorney like several of the people at the top of the WBC organization. WBC make their money by suing those who violate their "rights," and have been very successful at it. WBC is a great example of the law failing to do what most of us think it should do.
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It is hoax!!!!
PAR501 21st Feb 2011
They want to harvest IP's so they can sue!!! Check this out!!! http://anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=494
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Probably why Mr. G is hyping this story...
HollywoodDog 21st Feb 2011
@PAR501 WBC and FBI set up the servers, put out this press release, and wait for the script kiddies to start DDoS-ing. Nice try, but even if it worked it would merely catch the stupid.
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David, don't be a hypocrite
wolf_z 21st Feb 2011
Either you approve of Anonymous or you don't. Quit sitting on the fence. Official approval by government is not a guarantee of right. Personally I'm of the opinion that legal does not necessarily equal right and when they conflict you follow right.

Yes, that means I approve of vigilantes--when they're the good guys. When vigilantes are bad guys they're wrong and I don't approve of them.

But have you noticed Anonymous isn't really being hunted by the government? A little noise here and there, but no hard core hunt. Just theatre.

As for this particular fight--go get 'em Anonymous. WBC may truly believe what they're doing is right, but in doing it they're attacking innocents--and that places them squarely in the bad guy column as far as I'm concerned.
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Good point
HollywoodDog 21st Feb 2011
"Do they run to their lawyers or law enforcement? Do they think about the sorts of activities they?ve done all these years and wonder, really, whether the fight with Anonymous is worth it? No, no they don?t. Instead, they bait the angry dog."

Far cry from MasterCard, who run screaming like a lot of poncey hairdressers.
I'm assuming there are more pressing matters for Anonymous these days than the pursuit of the self-parodying church in question. The brief headlining duel was entertaining while it lasted, however.
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a nice week ahead
Quebec-french 21st Feb 2011
beer and ribs bloodbath
David, these people are lawyers. Suits against people who get in their way is how they make their money (not congregant contributions as there is virtually no congregation) and it has worked well for them. WBC has a true talent for warping the system in their favor. Pity poor Topeka its most famous church.
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Cool...
james347 21st Feb 2011
...I'll bring the pop corn.
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Too bad it seems to be a hoax
Daniel Breslauer 21st Feb 2011
If it were not a hoax, I'd ask where to sign up. But as PAR501's link states, this appears to be a hoax... I'm inclined to believe PAR501's link as being the real "Anonymous".
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I'm rooting for Westboro
klumper 21st Feb 2011
"Anonymous" has warned a church with a controversial history that unspoken retribution will follow it continues its practice of inflammatory protests.

"Anonymous" better hope they know how to live up to their moniker, as some organizations also comprise members who pack weapons for self defense and uninvited frontal assaults. Wouldn't it be a pity if it never occurred to this pack of Anon cybersoldiers that retribution - to use their choice of terms - can cut both ways.

We, the collective super-consciousness known as ANONYMOUS - the Voice of Free Speech & the Advocate of the People - sounds like another whiny pack of collegiate Marxists bent on furthering One World order. Leftist vapor and vanity giving way to open threats with a provoking, incendiary fuse. How quaint.

Hopefully they get their wish, and may the more merciless side win.
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I'm rooting for Westboro
sportmac 21st Feb 2011
@klumper
but of course you are. anyone rooting for the more merciless is bound to be for westboro. good christians what.
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You got it
klumper 21st Feb 2011
@sportmac

Christians - and anyone else who wants to save this country and western civilization, including agnostics like yours truly - simply have to learn to fight back and resist. Tolerance, as it's now constituted, has become a poison, one that is relentlessly force fed upon us. So yeah, may the more merciless side win. No point in denying what the laws of nature teach.
@sportmac Wait what? Anonymous absolutely merciless, they dont pretend to follow any sort of moral guidelines (the bible thing). I call rule 34 on Megan Phelps-Roper.
@klumper
so... wishing for a group like the westboro's to win is a good thing? and what are they resisting and fighting against that one would wish them victory? tolerance? that's our undoing? down with tolerance and up with them?
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White often appears black
klumper Updated - 21st Feb 2011
I have no idea if "Anonymous" (as presented) is indeed the hacking group, or perhaps renegades within it, or just flaming crybabies from the left. I'm not a mind reader. If WBC concocted such a ploy and hoodwinked the mass media (who despise anyone who thinks for themselves) that easily, then more power to them.

Just stop thinking you've pegged the good guys from the bad so easily. White often appears black, especially when you use the national media - or their print proxy auxiliaries - as your guide (and brains).
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Are you taking any prescription medication?
HollywoodDog 21st Feb 2011
@klumper ... this is a WBC hoax (possibly in collusion with the government)
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klumper Updated - 22nd Feb 2011
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alrighty then
sportmac 22nd Feb 2011
@klumper
your's is a reasoned mind i'm sure.
They are neither Christian, nor Baptist. They are a family of lawyers incorporated as a church to avoid taxes, and seek to provoke people into opportunities for litigation. May they repent, as it's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.
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Succint!
PreachJohn 21st Feb 2011
@dalspartan---Well said! But perhaps a little further... It's also a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry mob.
This mess of an outfit masquerading as God's People will one day bite off more than they can chew, and choke on it. It will happen. Gal. 6:7,8. Just a matter of time.
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Right! As if hack attacks could possibly do that. As little as I respect the WBC and their harassment of military families, electronic vandalism is highly unlikely to deter them. It's actually far more likely to energize church members by helping them to feel like innocent victims of persecution (but without any real risk to themselves).
I saw a Louis Theroux (excellent British documentary maker) documentary on these fruit cakes awhile ago. Their arguments can be picked apart so easily, they seem to hate everyone who isn't in their cult (even devote Christians). The sad thing was, the young ones seemed perfectly normal, except for being entirely brainwashed.

It's not just Americans who find the WBC despicable.

Bring it on!
I consider myself a Christian. That said, in no way would I own or align myself with WBC or others of like mind. It is painful to be lumped with that bunch by those who do not take the time to distinguish. I would love to see them "go away" from public presence but do not believe any lasting good will come from whatever illegal and/or unethical actions anonyamous might take. Two wrongs don't make a right. Those of us who claim "real" Christianity ought to be the ones doing all things possible to put a stop to the craziness of WBC.
Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it. . . well, he gets it. I don't like it anymore than you may.

God loves people, period. We misuse religion, we abuse the gifts we've been given, but he loves us anyway. I hope WBC does get taken down, and I don't just mean digitally. I wish no harm to anyone, ever. But I might make an exception for people with such disregard for humanity. Terrorists? These people are worse than terrorists. I am 100% for freedom of speech, but there is a time and place for you to say some things, and funerals are never one of them.
''When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross''
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What?
PreachJohn 22nd Feb 2011
@Tommy S.---You obviously have no understanding of the things to come.
None so blind as those that will not see.
@PreachJohn What does your imaginary god has in store for us?
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A Modicum Response
PreachJohn 22nd Feb 2011
@Tommy S.---Far too long and complex for this forum, to do justice to this massive subject. But, having said this, and having been once solidly where you are, 2Cor. 4:3,4 for you. Ciao!
Take God and Satan out of the equation. Now look at what these people are doing without the excuse of diety. Simply look at what they are doing. They are causing harm and grief to others, and acting with violence and hatred toward others. Now put God and Satan back in the equation. Who's side do you think these people fall under?
Take God and Satan out of the picture again. Look at their actions from the viewpoint of Good vs. Evil. Are the action of these people good or evil?
We are put on the earth by the creator for one fundamental reason...by our actions choose either good or evil. Good encompesses all good things: love, worship, purity, generosity, etc... Evil is the domain of hate, selfishness, violence, etc....
Good vs evil...by our actions we will be known
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fact of the matter is this
KBot 22nd Feb 2011
Just because the WBC are a bunch of morons, doesn't mean that you can condone a group that has no moral standing. You said it yourself, Anonomous attacks anyone who annoys them. do some people deserve it? Hell yes, but that doesn't mean that its ok for them to do this, but not that. That's like praising hitler for being a powerful speaker but bashing him for what he did to jews. Fact is Hitler is evil, end of story, so you either back Anonomous or yor against them for what they do, you can't have it either way. I believe in the hacker world they are considered black hats, which mreans the bad guys, they're no white hats and they're not grey hats.
@KBot Black and white history is black and white.... I praise Hitler for many things, and I bash him for the racist parts. I wouldn't think twice before lynching those WBC bastards. If you cant win in a civil manner, take another course of action. Vigilantism is justified in that case.
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They get in people faces, wait for a reaction that is a bit overreaching, then they sue. How the heck do you think this family makes a living?
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It's like a ballgame...
neverhome 22nd Feb 2011
between 2 teams I hate (Broncos vs. Panthers). Since I despise both teams, I want a slugfest. I want injuries. I want huge penalties and silly mistakes. I want fumbles and interceptions and I want both quarterbacks knocked out in the 1st quarter. It'd be fun! But since it's an obvious WBC hoax, I guess it won't happen. Unless WBC manages to sufficiently provoke Anon. Keep trying, WBC!
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Dregs at bottom of the barrel
tom@... 23rd Feb 2011
Why bother with any of this anyway? It gives free publicity to what I consider to be at least three organizations that don't deserve PR, especially the free kind. But Ido think you for the addition to my "never visit/always block access" list of sites.
If Anonymous believes in God and this gets to court, throw it out. If not revoke anonymous' citizenship. IF WBC guilty of violating this country's founding documents, arrest them and bring before a judge. If the state or local law becomes involved, great. The country, maybe the world, would be very interested whether the Constitution is relevant or not. Too long we have awaited answers to the questions this could raise.
I left out one more closing remark:
As a result of the illogical inconsistencies in the Bible, and the encouragement offered by this cult text that I am to be cursed if I try to learn and acquire wisdom to improve my life, I decided to become an Atheist. I have been very happy with that decision since I started to deprogram myself and to live a full rich and happy life.

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