Photos dating back through the past few years reveal starkly how the ice sheets are melting in the Arctic. Progressively the summer ice cover is retreating in the Arctic, meaning each winter restores less and less ice. These photos were taken by American military spy tech so that was reason enough for the Bush-Cheney Admin to classify them. Never know when the Taliban might contemplate a strike against the surviving polar bears. And we don’t want anybody hyperventilating over this global warming bruhaha. Bad for business.
Now those photos have been released by the current regime. And they show summer open water far greater than would have been seen even ten years ago.
The summer of 2007 showed over a million square kilometers of open Arctic Sea, a record in modern times. I recently was told by a Norwegian authority that their records already show Summer, 2009, could be as iceless as 2007 or even a new record. Here’s one report in Europe indicating 2009 may be the Arctic’s most ice-less summer since we began taking note of nature’s ways.
Over 1,000 of these Arctic images can now be seen online, resolution down to one-meter. The government website is very difficult to navigate, however. This NASA press release does have some easily accessible maps and images of Arctic ice melt.
Of course this means pushing and shoving over money to be made on use of Northwest Passage. Canada could be in a dominant position. Even mini-powers in Europe seem ready to shoulder in: Denmark and Norway, for example. The rich aroma of money to be made stirs patriotic blood it seems.
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This verbiage will now be attached to any blog I do about global warming. It’s amazing to me that somebody who can apparently read and then post comments still wonders in public why global warming matters on a technology web site. But I am naive, always assuming everybody’s paying attention.
It’s because of money. If global warming has enough acceptance among corporations, the public and even pols, there will be more money spent on green tech, wisely or unwisely. If oil prices stay low and most people don’t care a fig about global warming, green tech will have a difficult time succeeding, regardless of its merits. Not every good idea succeeds. VCs usually invest where they think there’s best chance for a good return. In greentech as in any tech the winners will often be determined by luck, brilliance, timing, happenstance and even marketing. Behind it all will be the money and behind that: whether the evidence for global warming and curtailing pollution drive action or is written off as claptrap.
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things (a throwback to the Little Ice Age or
ACTUAL Ice Age), whether humanity or the Sun is
melting them (actually, the consensus is that
it it is SOLELY the sun doing that with no help
from humanity), etc.
You need to stop pointing at something that
might be an impermanent thing as a sign that
the 'world is ending'.
drink stays OK until the ice melts, then warms up very fast. Oil company
propaganda not withstanding.
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20090722_Figure2.png
And more importantly regarding the much larger Antarctica? Well; give this a read:
http://www.ecoworld.com/climate/antarctic-ice-increasing.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet
Just some 'ice for thought'
Right you are. The ice caps are what drive the ocean currents, global weather patterns and determine what sea levels are. Imagine what would happen if just the Arctic ice cap melted, along with the glaciers at Greenland. You would see ocean sea levels rise more than 20 or 30 feet most likely. That would likely put coastal areas like New York City, Boston, Charleston, Florida and New Orleans at risk of being largely underwater. That would have nasty effects on weather as well. Finally, no matter what the oil companies or politicians say, the world is getting warmer a lot more rapidly than it was in the past. It's weird to talk about this on a tech blog.
Think about what happens when you set your Vodka on the rocks, with a twist, on the table and then, horrors, forget about it. Does the ice melt create a vodka inundation of the table? Does the melting ice cause the vodka level to rise untill your forgotten glass overflows?
I'm not going to answer these questions for you but I sure as hell will try to cause you to think about them and, dare I hope? apply them to other similar situations.
The analogy applies only to ice that does not rest upon ground. Much of the Antarctic ice rests atop a land mass. A significant part of the rest extends so deep into the ocean that it rests upon the ocean floor. The melting of those masses would have an effect upon sea levels as they do not displace their own weight in sea water.
To extend your analogy: Pile your glass significantly higher than the rim with ice. Then fill the glass to the rim with ice-cold vodka. When the ice melts it will cause a mess as the fluid level pushes past the level of the rim.
Don't take my comment above to mean that I believe in man-made global warming. I don't.
Your ignorance is showing.
1) A chlorine molecule is heavier that air hence it will fall to the ground as soon as it is released.
2) The half-life of a chlorine molecule is roughly 35 minutes and is fully dissipated within 24 hours.
3) In order to propel chlorine molecules the force of several hurricanes would be needed.
On the other hand in just one naturally occurring volcanic eruption there is more chlorine (CFCs) released into the upper atmosphere than all of the CFCs released since man has started to produce them.
What is the problem here? It is that CFCs, released by industry, where one of the first substances blamed for global warming and the initial premise was a lie, plain and simple.
How about some accountability from Washington. Investigate then Vote in 2010.
Worth the read:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/in_the_name_of_global_warming.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Research_Center
bias, any more than I doubt that Wikipedia has
a liberal bias. However, they were merely
reporting on a CNN broadcast.
In fact, the article has very little commentary
at all; it's just quotes from the broadcast.
You'd have to actually supply evidence that the
researchers are incorrect; badmouthing the
messenger isn't enough.
I don't watch much television. However, I've
seen enough CNN to know they aren't exactly
huge fans of Palin and friends (which I am not,
by the way).
I'm for common sense, regardless of party. I
like honesty. Hey, did you notice that the
"green" folks are changing their tune? Now we
aren't just stopping "global warming", we're
stopping "climate change".
Heh heh. Good luck. Me? I'm all for the next
Ice Age. Bring it on!
like honesty. Hey, did you notice that the
"green" folks are changing their tune? Now we
aren't just stopping "global warming", we're
stopping "climate change".
Heh heh. Good luck. Me? I'm all for the next
Ice Age. Bring it on!"
You would not truly want an Ice Age. In an Ice Age, from what I've read about the last one, which was around 12,000 or so years ago, things get extremely cold in places that don't currently get extremely cold. The glaciers got about as far south as the Ohio River valley last time, from what I've read.
As to the "green" folks, the reason they are trying to stop climate change is that they realize climate change has definite consequences for the planet. You say you are for common sense, regardless of the party. Assuming that is the case, you might want to read up more on the realities of climate change and what the real consequences of it would be for all of us. What the politicians are proposing with their so-called "cap and trade" bill would not solve the problem at all.
Let there be no doubt. Libs/envWhacko's want to raise your taxes reduce your freedoms. This is evident with the "cap and tax" and the many rushed policies of the Pres with no birth certificate.
Head on over to the NYTimes. This is a tech site.
http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?blog=weathermatrix&partner=&pgUrl=/mtweb/content/weathermatrix/archives/2009/07/1000_low_temp_records_set_this_july.asp
facts, my mind is made up."? Mark my words, no
amount of global cooling will stop these guys.
Either they'll deny the trends, or they'll
switch the tune to the "coming ice age" that
used to be so popular a few decades ago
(actually, they almost certainly will do so,
but not till they figure out a way to blame it
on humans).
It's funny; at some of the state parks here in
the USA, they still haven't updated their
educational films; many of them still are full
of doom-and-gloom predictions of the next ice
age (especially where I live in the upper
midwest; the Ice Age formations are a big
tourist attraction).
It's not just that they want to reduce freedom
(which they do). It's also one of the greatest
examples of human egotism. We think we are so
much more "important", or have much more impact
in the natural scheme of things than we really
do.
Age" enviro wacko scare was blamed on PM10 (particulate matter 10
microns). Guess what the number one source of PM 10 was? You got it.
Automobiles and coal-fired power plants. The actors may change, but
the story is always the same.
Let there be no doubt. Libs/envWhacko's want to raise your taxes reduce your freedoms. This is evident with the "cap and tax" and the many rushed policies of the Pres with no birth certificate.
Head on over to the NYTimes. This is a tech site."
The global climate, even the weather here in the US, is very complex. There are ocean currents and jet streams that can cause temperatures to be cooler than normal here in the US. Your political commentary is right on the mark however. "Cap and trade" will not solve the problem in regards to climate change. As to Obama's other policies, you're right, they have been rushed. Finally, do you have any facts to back up your comment about the President not having a birth certificate? Be very careful about making such statements.
I live in the desert and our temperatures are going up. We are also getting more pop-up storms during monsoon season.
As for the birth certificate, that has been analyzed to death with the final legal determination that he IS a natural-born U.S. citizen. So people need to stop beating that dead horse and move on already.
"people are complaining about the tides being a foot higher than 10-15 years ago--along with more flooding of the roadways during Spring tides" would serve to prove that people complain and perhaps the tides in your area are increasing either seasonally, or maybe the moon is temporarily a bit more affective on your part of the globe.
In Tucson some years are very active Monsoon years and other years not very active at all. Proving that things change.
That's the bottom line in the 'Climate Change" brouhaha, everything in the natural world changes. Either adapt and get used to it or eliminate yourself from the natural equation that is life.
Finally,I guess you forgot to refer to any specific, "final legal determination", proving the current President is a natural born citizen. You know, something on the lines of a valid birth certificate? Oh well, we can always change the Constitution to fit the need. That's the beauty of having our societies laws based on a "living", document.
And in the Nohtern Mid West (I split my time about 40/60 due to work) it is so cool the Corn is failing (as are tomatoes and a host of other crops.
can remember. Local weather is not the same as climate.
this thread that assumes because *they* are experiencing cold weather
this year, the globe must be cooler. I now realize that you hadn't made
that connection in your post.
satanic "right" will tamper with evidence all over the place.
The blog author is nothing more than your typical environazi
wackjob.
warmer. To the near-sighted "but its cold here"... We
are suffering through record highs in my community.
Its been great,
actually, since we don't normally get long hot
summers. But I also know that it means bupkis as to
whether its part of a global climate change.
However, my point is this. Global Warming - Global
Cooling: The planet doesn't care. The world will go,
species will go extinct.... new ones will evolve to fill the
niches. Humanity will survive, in one form or another.
A species that can survive in sub-saharan deserts by
drinking camel's milk straight from the, uhm.. source -
and that can survive in the arctic by eating raw seal
and whale blubber - well, that species will survive too.
Human civilization though is another issue. Our way of
life depends on complex interconnectedness based on
technologies that rely on complex systems working all
over the globe. It only takes minor glitches to throw
this out of balance. As the sources of fresh water
change due to rainfall pattern changes and glaciers
that have melted away, cities that are in deserts
become untenable. The examples of how our societies
depends on predictable weather cycles is endless.
But, I'm not worried. I live on island that has
historically been able to be self-sufficient for food. Its
got steep sides, so no worries about sea-level
changes. We have virtually non-existent winters, so for
the few short heating months we can use wood. We
are in a rain-forest, so we can grow wood faster than
we need to cut it for cooking.
Those of you who are skeptics of climate change -
hope you don't live in city, or in a desert, or anywhere
else where living like the pioneers isn't viable. I've had
whale blubber, I could eat it if I had to.
There is a far more fundamental reason why we consider green tech - our society is dependent on energy to operate. Most of that energy (oil and natural gas)comes from foreign sources - not domestic.
Yes, we drill the Artic. If that was our only source of oil, it would only last about 2 months at our current consumption.
Yes, we could drill off-shore. But supplies are also finite.
We could go to coal. There is plenty of it - but there are disadvantages - and there is no easy way to convert it into a mobile fuel source like gasoline.
So, rather than constantly being polarized on this arguemnt, let us realize that the future of the nation and of humanity in general requires that we get off non-renewables, unless you want to party hardy until we run out of these resources, and then we can all go back to the pioneer days for good!
That tiny amount of CO2 could only significantly increase the temperature of the atmosphere, if that part were at thousands of degrees. It isn't, and it can't.
Imagine ten thousand beach balls, with one beach ball trying to hit all the other balls hard enough to make them all move.
Man-made global warming through CO2 increases is magical thinking, there is no science in it.
It doesn't matter what other statistics, 'forcings', experts with credentials, secret plots, nefarious commercial interests, or melting ice you come up with. The physical mechanism of one ten thousandth of the atmosphere heating the rest of the atmosphere this way, cannot work.
The only that would not surprise me is the current administration twisting the facts to try to use this info to prove that Al Gore was right, despite much evidence to the contrary by many, including some very knowledgeable meteorology and climate professors at MIT and Princeton.
this country are so ignorant and skipped Science
class. Gee the ice is melting that doesn't
matter, but what if the sea level rises, then
what. As a scientist, I am stunned at how many
people are so just dumb, and in denial about
this. We need more information, not more hiding
of information like this because the correlation
of CO2 to global warming is intense from a
statistical standpoint and undeniable at least
from a scientific stand point. But then again
most people in the US are ignorant and
uneducated that is why Bushes got elected.
31,458 American Scientists have signed a petition against "global warming". I guess they are all wrong too.
I read articles from CNN last year that claimed a good chance that our ice will be completely melted by 2008.....gee...they are still there.
They can keep re-branding this terminology as "climate change" but in reality it should be called junk science.
against "global warming". I guess they are all wrong
too.
Depends on the kind of science they do. If they are are
"creation scientists" then that is a different spin on the
story. If they are petroleum scientists, then I would
question motivation. If they are rocket scientists I
would still question their opinions, in the same way I
would question a climate scientist having an opinion
on whether a rocket was viable or not.
Mankind is not the main cause of global warming. Never was, never will be. But if enough sheeple can be convinced otherwise (Hitler: Tell a lie often enough and people will begin to believe it is the truth) then they can be convinced to surrender their freedoms to the control freaks known as the enviro-whackos.
found a number of posts by Scottish gardeners talking
about their grapes. Apparently the grapes were brought
there by the Romans, since they liked to try and plant
grapes where ever they went. I assume the rest of your
research is of the same calibre.
Age in Europe, though the LIA had started before the MM. However,
there were cooling trends noted in North America, New Zealand, and
Patagonia that occurred shortly before and/or shortly after the LIA in
Europe. These cooling periods were not coincidental to the Maunder
Minimum, some ended before the MM, and therefore there is no
correlation between them. Which means that the MM and the LIA in
Europe just randomly happened at the same time, and therefore a
lack of sunspots doesn't cause a cooling period.
There is a wealth of literature on this.... Google Maunder Minimum and
the Little Ice Age for a very readable version.
But, yes, for more than 70% of the history of life on earth (the last 650mollion years) the average global temperature was almost twice what it is now!
Our current temperature is only "normal" to us, the most recent additions to this planet.
And CO2 levels have only been shown as a result of warming - they have yet to be proven as a cause...
Global warming?... then why has the earth been cooling year on year since 1997?
Read "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson and "Air Con" by Ian Wishart.
Why was it that only 55 climate control scientists from the IPCC actually signed (endorsed) the last study - significantly 1945 didn't!
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way!
Inconvienient truths like, the planet is actually cooling!, ice is growing in the Artic and Antartic!
... or that Greenlands glaciers would have to move and melt at 70x (yes seventy!) their current rate to produce a sea level rise of 1.5m in the next 100 years!!!
Do some of your own research in stead of parroting the media and a few rogue scientists with an agenda.
growing in the Artic and Antartic!
Lack of ice cover in the arctic this year is set to rival the record setting
lack of ice cover in 2007. So your statement is, to put it politely,
stretching the truth in a negative direction.
I happen to know people in the Canadian arctic, and they know first
hand that a) the ice cover is shrinking b) its getting warmer c) animals
from the south they have never seen before are appearing. d) that this
degree of ice shrinkage has not occurred for as long as the Inuit have
occupied the arctic.
I have to the arctic 3 times since 2000, so I have some first hand
knowledge too.
If you can't get that one fact straight, then I dismiss the rest of your
"facts". Its bupkis.
Looking at pictures of retreating glaciers and plotting temperatures even over the last 10 decades does not prove that humankind has significantly influenced climatic change.
Who can say for certain that glaciers haven't been retreating and advancing for centuries. It's all conjecture until someone can clearly prove what happened in the distant past.
If global warming is indeed an increasing reality, I don't believe we caused it, nor can we do anything to stop it. Perhaps the fear of not being able to control the inevitable causes so many to jump on the global warming bandwagon.
It is extremely arrogant on our part to think we can bend nature to our will. Can we stop an earthquake, tsunami, or hurricane? In this sense Man is like the tiny inhabitants of Whoville existing on a speck of dust on a small flower carried by a gigantic elephant named Horton.
Having said all that, I believe we should not abandon "green" technology and continue our efforts to conserve the planet and all it offers. It just makes sense not to pollute our home--Earth.
There are warmups after the Ice Ages. We are in one -right now-. Don't think so? 20,000 years ago there were glaciers in Ohio. 10,000 years ago, there were glaciers in Maine. Again, don't trust me, go ask a geologist yourself.
And please, please, don't trust a computer model. I'm a computer scientist. I know how little we can actually model of this planet. We tried to build computers to model the planet for weather prediction, and -failed-. There's an unstoppable thing called "Chaos" that prevents us from predicting more than a few days ahead, no matter how many or how big the computers. That has not changed, period. If you can't trust a 5 day forecast, don't trust a hundred year forecast!
The "computer models" written for the "global warming" folks often do not include important greenhousing gasses like ... water vapor, or cow's, umm, passing gas, which have bigger effects than carbon dioxide.
There is increasing evidence that the number of visible sunspots is related to the sun's output, and the sun's output goes in cycles, like most things in Nature, and is -not- steady, like almost nothing in Nature. This is not settled.
The simple fact is that 90+% of the CO-2 (carbon dioxide) being made on this planet is being made by Nature and we can't do anything about that. I'm sorry, that's just fact.
The fuss and -extreme cost- of "cap and trading" "greenhouse gasses" is raw politics, it isn't a serious effort to control CO-2. Controlling 10% of CO-2 is pointless to begin with.
It's just government control on most of our energy:
Carbon + Oxygen = Heat + Carbon Dioxide. That's "fire". We use a lot of it, for example, to make electricity (boil water to make steam to spin a generator).
Slowed down, that's how -you- live. You ingest Carbon ("Carbohydrate") and breathe in Oxygen and give off Carbon Dioxide.
With Congress trying to pass "Cap and Trade", thus controlling most of our heat / energy production, Congress will then have -vast- control over coal and natural gas, which is most of the energy production in this country.
Make no mistake. If the Greenhouse Gas people were *** serious *** about cutting carbon dioxide output, we'd have gone to the French, who get 80% of all their energy from nuclear power, and asked them to help us setup their nuclear power plants, here. The French designs have the problems ironed out, they don't just store fuel rods afterwards, they recycle them back in for more energy, and they work very well indeed. In ten years we would not have an energy problem at all, and our output of CO-2 would be dropped.
Instead, Congress is trying to pass "Cap and Trade". Its just a nice way to say "Massive Tax" while dressing it up in "Must Control Pollution" clothes.
In the same way, part of your salary is "Withheld" to the IRS, so that you're "Refunded" your ... own money ... on April 15th. On a "Tax Return". It makes taxes feel less painful. This tax is really going to hurt.
Now: Don't trust my opinion. Go find out for -yourself-. This is not rocket science and not difficult. If you need a good geology book to start, read John McPhee's "Annals of the Former World" -- astonishingly easy and fun read).
Thanks,
Dave
You're a politician, not a scientist. You're hand-picking, or allowing others to manipulate you with hand-picked information.
Here's a real eye-opener for you: Ever heard of the Ice Age?
Yeah, you know, that period in (pre)history where, ALL scientists agree (about as much as they agree on anything, I guess), the earth was covered with ice. And now it's nearly all gone, and still retreating. Duh!
Question: If we're the cause, how did 40K years of thawing happen before our modern technology supposedly started contributing to it?
And... Do you really believe anything we could stop or even slow that process?
By the way, since it's so often dismissed as merely a book of 'solar myths' these days, perhaps you should read up on a few of them. You might find Isaiah 30:25-26 quite 'enlightening'.
http://bible.cc/isaiah/30-26.htm
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