Global Warming: Winners and Losers

By | January 3, 2010, 7:58pm PST

Summary: Lake Chad joins list of GW’s potential extinction victims.

Let’s face it, the earth is changing. As with any change, there are winners and losers. Shipping companies are loving the promise of open shipping lanes across the Arctic. The long dreamed-of Northwest Passage now exists in the Northern Hemisphere’s summer. The new vineyards in Kent, Britain, love the warmer winters. Those Brant, ocean-going geese, must love not having to fly all the way south to Mexico from the Arctic. Winners all.

Not sure what this will mean but the iceless summers on the Arctic Ocean will produce much more swirling of waters and mixing of upper and lower water. Scientists can only point out this is a radical shift from the Arctic Ocean of say 100 years ago.

LOSERS

Alpine skiing is likely to become as extinct as Genghis Khan’s Empire. Greenland is getting less white and much greener as the ice sheets retreat. And in Africa, they’re losing a large lake. Lake Chad, once lapping and overlapping more nations, is disappearing. The lake’s surface area is now one-tenth of what it was fifty years ago. Fishermen and farmers, once lakeside dwellers, are now victims of the encroaching Sahara and everlasting drought. Do you wonder if any of those people are global warming deniers?

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Net ice gain
DEFleener 8th Jan 2010
"In the last 2-3 years Greenland and Antarctica have seen a net ice gain."

I hadn't heard that, but, then again, I don't care much for news, as most of it is made up.

If it is true that there is a net ice gain in these places, that would be an effective argument against Global Warming for sure. I would say any rational thinking adult would have to concede that Global Warming is not here and won't be for a long time. Where did you get this data?

Personally, I don't believe there are enough people on the earth to effect the weather very much, for good or for bad. Whatever changes occur, we are not capable of having caused them, nor will we be capable of preventing or altering them.
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Wow...
soundfound@... 3rd Jan 2010
Remind me again why we read your blatherings in a tech magazine...?

This whole man-made global warming/climate change thing reminds me of Y2K. The whole world was going to come to a screeching halt when the clock struck the year 2000. We HAD to do something about it NOW (if it were even possible) and naysayers were ostriches with their heads in the sand.

If you'll recall, the ostriches won that one too.
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Another revisionist historian...
jasonp@... 4th Jan 2010
Y2K was a yawner as a direct result of millions and millions of man hours spent making it so. Thankfully we didn't have to rely on the ostriches with their heads in the sand, otherwise things wouldn't have gone so smoothly. You can thank the non-ostriches the next chance you get.
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You are right!
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An yet another
Richard Flude 4th Jan 2010
"Y2K was a yawner as a direct result of millions and millions of man
hours spent making it so."

It was clear for those of us involved in the process that Y2K would not be
a major issue, however this didn't stop the prophesies of doom
continuing long after we'd addressed the issues

The doom merchants are back, with a new cause.
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Those doom merchants got bailed out...
jasonp@... 5th Jan 2010
by tons of money and hard work. They didn't get bailed out by a bunch of people sitting around a room declaring that doing nothing was the way to ensure catastrophe didn't happen.
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Not the end of the world
voska1 6th Jan 2010
I did a lot Y2K work fixing this so they wouldn't go wrong come the Year 2000. The world wouldn't have ended had the work not been done but it would have been chaotic and cost a lot more to fix afterwords. I know water treatment plants for example could have done it manually if the computers failed. It would have been a pain and the over time cost would be very high but clean water would still be had. It was better fix it before you had guys in the trenches working the manual equipment collection massive over time as you rushed to fix thing later.

I see this global warming thing as the same. It's not the end of world but doing nothing till the impact really hits us will cost a lot more than doing something today to mitigate the problem. Personally I think adapting to global warming is a better idea than trying to prevent the inevitable. Still cutting emissions is good idea as it means more jobs in the green economy. It means cleaner cities with less smog. It means less of my income spent on energy as I conserve more. That's all good but I highly doubt reducing emissions will do a thing to halt climate change.
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RE: Global Warming: Winners and Losers
CarlosHawes 4th Jan 2010
Uh, hello...earth to Fuller: Record cold snaps worldwide at present. Europe's coldest winter in thirty years. Sounds like Alpine skiing should be doing fine at least this winter.
And I just enjoyed a week of near freezing temperatures in DISNEY WORLD in CENTRAL FLORIDA!!!
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Global warming and convection...
jasonp@... 4th Jan 2010
See, they hide reasons that global warming directly results in record cold temperatures where they are sure people like you won't find them...namely, in books. Read up on convection and see how warm temperatures displaced in one region force cooler temperatures from another region to be pulled in. Books...check into it.
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He's right, you're wrong![nt]
Joeman57 4th Jan 2010
nt
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Dear Mooron
ICUR12 4th Jan 2010
Go back and look at history. This planet started out with an atmosphere of all CO2. Oxygen came latter. Earth has had 11 ice ages to date. So much for your Kool-Aid soapbox!!!
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The same laws of convection...
jasonp@... 5th Jan 2010
were at play long before there was life at all on this planet. Thanks for playing, here are your parting gifts...
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medezark@... 5th Jan 2010
Global Warming would still show an ever up-ward climb in global temperatures. Each succeeding winter should be warmer than the last, despite convection affects. We shouldn't be experiencing colder (RECORD BREAKING COLDER) winters this far into a global warming cycle as predicted by the IPCC data. At this point we should be experiencing very moderate winters.

The strangest thing is that most meteorologists (the people who actually study weather patterns and data), don't adhere to the AGW Hypothesis.
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Wow, you almost had something there...
jasonp@... 5th Jan 2010
What global warming shows is an upward trending average global temperature. What that doesn't mean is that the temperature this year must be higher than the temperature last year and the temperature next year must be higher still otherwise it can't be global warming. At this point, there is still enough frigid arctic air to be pulled towards the equator as they do each and every year causing what we like to call real Winter in most parts of the country...especially in the northern parts of the country who experience real Winter each and every year. At some point, that air won't have spent enough time at the poles to produce negative temperatures across such a large area and then we'll see those moderate winters you're talking about well up into Canada. Metaphorically, this is like a rocket ship coming up on a wall...the wall slowly gets large enough to notice and the closer you get, the more perceivable it becomes. It isn't until the last second that you fully realize this is a wall, you're in a rocket ship and there are no brakes. Given the history of this planet, we may not even have the capacity as human beings to put brakes on catastrophic climate change. The only guarantee is that it's going to happen if we do nothing. It has happened many times before. Me, I'm for putting human ingenuity to the test and seeing if we're the masters of this planet or if we're just here for the ride. I'd like to think evolution got it right this time... wink
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It's normal here where I live in the North. When it's winter it's cold and snowy. People do forget what normal winters are like though when we have warm ones but it's been quite cold this year and last but that's what it was always like. We just had a 5 years of mild winters.

So these record breaking cold snaps are happening in places that don't normally get that cold. Usually when that happens we have warm weather. Mind you when I say warm weather in January I'm meaning -10C.
So you'll have freezing winters and scorching summers, not necessarily in
any recognizable pattern. Sounds great if you plan on alternatively skiing
and going to the beach. However, crops are destroyed by this weather.
Skiing and beach-combing aren't so pleasant if accompanied by
starvation.
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such as reading AND comprehension. These are people who see snow on the forecast and think "hey y'all, if'n there was some global warming going on here, we wouldn't be seein' no snow". Mention scientific principles like convection to them and you get little more than a blank stare and a "nuh-unhhh". Science is just something those "liberal elites" believe in.
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Live to Dead is also change...
tburzio Updated - 5th Jan 2010
The only starvation will be caused by environmentalists making choices for our farmers, like turning off the water in California and pretending it's a drought.

The IPCC data was falsified, and all those scientists who signed are charlatans who want funding money. Shame on them.

Then again, Congress is voting to change health care without reading the bill, so maybe the mass die-offs will be caused by Congress and not Global Warming? Dead is dead, after all...
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Turning off water to California...
jasonp@... 5th Jan 2010
Building farms where the water needed to grow anything is being pumped in from another state ranks right up there with building a city next to the ocean on land that sits below sea level and used to be a swamp. That one didn't work out so well for New Orleans, did it? Work with your surroundings, not against it, and you'll never have to worry about stupid things like "Gee, what happens if the water supply gets cut off?"
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RE: Global Warming: Winners and Losers
dheady@... 4th Jan 2010
Global climate change is, well, constant. The crux of the
issue isn't that climates change over time it is that the
religion of environmentalism has merged with the stale
statism of retread Marxism and is using any excuse to self
flagellate humanity into surrendering freedoms and control
to big brother states. Witness the current administration
and controlling politicos in the United States Government.
Not to mention Europe looking more and more like the
USSR actually won the Cold War. Climate Change? Sure.
Regime Change...Please and the sooner the better.
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Harry Fuler: Loser
M.R. Kennedy 4th Jan 2010
Harry doesn't want to admit that if he made the claim that "alpine skiiing will disappear" to those frequenting the various ski resorts here in the US, they'd laugh him off the mountain.

Nor does he want to mention the reason why the Vikings named Greenland "Greenland"--because when they got there, it *was* green. No glaciers at all.

The above, along with the East Anglia revelations, all go to show that AGW is pure human-created bunk.

Harry and his ilk continue to generate EPIC FAILS.
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RE: Global Warming: Winners and Losers
BOSS4908 Updated - 4th Jan 2010
I have a GREAT IDEA!! " Let's waste trillions of dollars each year on keeping the sking resort. Let's TAX people to starvation and maybe, I said maybe find something good in it. The only winners in the whole Globel warming scam is AL GORE and his ELete control group buddies that want to control your every breath through higher taxes and more regulations while fling around the world in his Jet or driving his limo. Wake-up World " IT"S A SHAM" LIES AND FAKE DOCS. Facts NO WARMING IN 10 YEARS OR MORE!!!!! FACT Greenland Was Green at one time.. Fact Anartica was a warm climate at one time. Yes, we have had ICE AGES but they are NOT caused by man....
not even the Permian extinction was enough.
I'd love to also put my head in the sand and think it wasn't going to
happen. (like when faced with a big scary invading army).

But I've got cohones, and a belief in the scientific method. My
personal evaluation of the facts as published in peer-reviewed
scientific papers leads me to believe the IPCC have been far too
conservative and have underestimated the speed and danger of the
approaching event.
(based on the fact that broadly the data is tracking the worst case
scenario predicted by the IPCC model, with several major items being
vastly accelerated over the IPCC model).

It will devastate between 85% of the human population and 100% of
the biosphere. I can't be more certain than that, but I believe it's at
maximum of 30-50 years in the future, and it won't all happen on one
last day, it's already started, the effects will expand exponentially from
here on in.
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medezark@... 5th Jan 2010
1.there is no fossil record of climate warming on this scale ever -- Medeival Warming Period?

2. based on the fact that broadly the data is tracking the worst case
scenario predicted by the IPCC model, with several major items being
vastly accelerated over the IPCC model). -- No, unfortunately it's not.

3. It will devastate between 85% of the human population and 100% of
the biosphere -- Umm, if you devastate 100% of the biosphere, then you're probably looking at 100% of humanity as well.

4. belief in the scientific method -- Part of the sceintific method is the ability to reproduce experimental results. Unfortunately, without the original, unobfuscated data, the IPCC results are not reproduceable.
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IPCC
BOSS4908 7th Jan 2010
Lies and made up BS. Did you not get the email?
Steal, lie, tax, lie , steal, tax continued will distroy the population in less than 10 years. Get real people. The world has caught on to your power, money grab lies.
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Ummm, anyone looked outside yet?

The original data was falsified, the tree ring data used before we recorded temperatures doesn't show the Medieval warming period, and it looks like there may be a mini-Ice Age starting.

Sooooo...

Loosers? Taxpayers!
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Yeah...
jasonp@... 5th Jan 2010
A mini ice age started by arctic air being sucked down into temperate regions because so much warm air is being forced upwards in the oceans of the equator and southern hemisphere in what we like to call winter in the northern hemisphere. Oh, right...that's what we call it. Winter. Not a mini ice age after all. Well, dang.
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GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX!!!
josephvba@... 5th Jan 2010
HOAX!
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RE: Global Warming: Winners and Losers
medezark@... 5th Jan 2010
While I wouldn't say Ice Age, I do understand that the most recent years temperatures have not fit in very well with the AGW projections.

Of course AGW proponents will say the most recent decade is not a significant sample size. My response: The most recent 500 years isn't really a significant sample size either.

AGW is a huge case of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. . . . . .
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A Couple of Things
Tim Patterson 6th Jan 2010
1. We finally get to see the inner workings of the AGW global scientific 'elite' in action in Climategate. These supposed scientists lied, misled, obfuscated, and covered-up in order to pander to power-mongers for a paycheck.

2. Those of us who have taken the time to look at ALL of the facts including the IPCC and it's scurrilous history, the medieval warm period, a multitude of data that AGW proponents choose to ignore and even attempt to hide know that AGW is the single biggest fraud in human history. Unlike the rank and file mush-brains who take the AGW religion on faith.

Here are a few inconvenient facts.
Global mean temperature has been decreasing. Eventually the priests of the AGW religion will be forced to admit this. This is one reason why they have ramped-up the rhetoric. Their window of opportunity to force onerous regulation on us is closing.

We know (as do the AGW 'scientists') that global temperatures were considerably warmer during the medieval warm period which couldn't have been caused by man. AGW "scientists" dishonestly establish baseline temperatures during a cold period known as the "little ice age" and attempt to erase the medieval warm period from the record.

Southern Greenland was ice-free during the medieval warm period and was settled by Vikings.

In the last 2-3 years Greenland and Antarctica have seen a net ice gain.

Rational people only need to be diligent a little while longer. This fraud is coming unraveled at the seams and they are being betrayed by a planet which doesn't seem interested in going along with their fraudulent political agenda.
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Net ice gain
DEFleener 8th Jan 2010
"In the last 2-3 years Greenland and Antarctica have seen a net ice gain."

I hadn't heard that, but, then again, I don't care much for news, as most of it is made up.

If it is true that there is a net ice gain in these places, that would be an effective argument against Global Warming for sure. I would say any rational thinking adult would have to concede that Global Warming is not here and won't be for a long time. Where did you get this data?

Personally, I don't believe there are enough people on the earth to effect the weather very much, for good or for bad. Whatever changes occur, we are not capable of having caused them, nor will we be capable of preventing or altering them.
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One mother acts...
Agnostic_OS 6th Jan 2010
Well mother nature has proved to be one hell of a mother!
Northern latitudes have record cold, Australia has a cool summer, China freezes-up, rain in Saudi Arabia, etc.
The mathematics of chaos theory said weather was a good example of a chaotic system - American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, D.C. entitled Predictability: Does the Flap of a Butterfly?s Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?
Will all the wind farms exacerbate this?
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Lake Chad disappears - again...
Agnostic_OS Updated - 6th Jan 2010
Not the first time Lake Chad has disappeared.
But then again the Sahara desert was a sea at one time.
Funny that the climate keeps changing.

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