NRDC: GOP drive to repeal lightbulb efficiency law overlooks $12.5B in potential savings

By | July 8, 2011, 7:00am PDT

Summary: Congress could vote on a repeal of energy-efficiency standards for incandescent lightbulbs, slated to take effect in 2012, as early as next week.

The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) has gone on the offense with a campaign suggesting that a Congressional bid to ditch lighting efficiency standards could cheat consumers out of $12.5 billion in savings.

The organization has released state-by-state data showing the potential savings statewide and by consumer if the laws take effect in January 2012, as planned. The laws were originally adopted in 2007 as part of the Energy Independence and Security Act. They call for the phaseout of inefficient light bulbs in favor of products that meet certain minimum efficiency standards (between 25 percent and 30 percent more efficient). Consumers will be able to buy improved incandescent bulbs but the biggest savings — over time — will come from compact florescent (CFL) or light-emitting diode (LED) bulbs. These bulbs cost more to buy upfront, but they last much longer while using less electricity.

The savings data was collected for NRDC by the Appliance Standards Awareness Project and the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy.

Certain states, including California, New York and Texas, could save more than $1 billion collectively in electricity costs when the laws take effect, according to the NRDC data. Consumers in a number of states could save more than $100 per household annually when the laws take effect. Those states are: Alaska ($131), California ($124), Connecticut ($139), Delaware ($101), Hawaii ($225), Maine ($105), Maryland ($107), Massachusetts ($109), New Hampshire ($117), New Jersey ($125), New York ($138), Rhode Island ($113), and Vermont ($105).

Collectively, the researchers say that the savings from the new bulb standards would eliminate the need for 30 new power plants.

Said Andrew deLaski, executive director of the Appliance Standards Awareness Project:

“The average U.S. household would save about 7 percent on their annual electricity costs, or roughly one-twelfth. In other words, the savings from the lighting standards would be like getting a free month without a power bill, every single year.”

A move to repeal the efficiency rules has become a cause celebre with a number of high-profile Republicans, who want the government to have less say in such matters. Lawmakers have also said the rules have resulted in lost American jobs, which is something no one really wants to hear right now.

The latest bid to repeal the law came in the form of a motion this week from Representative Joe Barton (R.-Texas). The House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R.-Mich.) will push to have the bill brought to the floor possibly as early as next week, according to a published report from “The Hill,” a Washington, D.C., news service. That’s important because Upton supported the original law.

In a statement given to “The Hill,” Upton said:

“It was never my goal for Washington to decide what type of light bulbs Americans should use. The public response on this issue is a clear signal that markets — not governments — should be driving technological advancements. I will join my colleagues to vote yes on a bill to protect consumer choice and guard against federal overreach.”

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RE: NRDC: GOP drive to repeal lightbulb efficiency law overlooks $12.5B in potential savings
non-biased 12th Jul
We use CFLs at home for some applications but most certainly do not want the government telling me what type of bulb I can use. Also thought it was blatantly misleading how the title says the law overlooks the potential savings. The potential savings has not gone away, it's just that the decision to get the supposed savings would be in the hands of the person who should be making the decision, the consumer.
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"efficiencey" depends on your situation!
wkulecz Updated - 8th Jul
If you live in the North and net heat your home, the "waste" heat lowers your heating bill.

If like me you live in the South and need net A/C, the "waste" heat is really bad. I quickly switched to LCD panels and CF lighting because of this. But the key was it was done when I could afford it, not because some bureaucrat declared it the "right" thing to do.

OTOH CF longevity claims are bogus. In most sockets I see maybe 2-3x the life of the at least 5X cheaper incandescent bulbs.

LED lights are a long way from affordable or useful to the average light socket. Let the new construction and upscale users pave the way for the rest of us. Forcing the working Joe to pay $20+ for a previously $0.50 bulb will cause a serious backlash!

Convenient how the environazis overlook the CF mercury issue when it suits their purpose!
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Not exactly.
Lerianis10 Updated - 8th Jul
@wkulecz

Not by damned much, and for the price of the electricity, you would do better to seal drafts around your house, get higher quality windows, etc.

As to the CF 'mercury issue'.... it's a non-issue. Why? Because the fact is that there is less mercury in the bulbs than you release into the atmosphere by the energy to run them!

Add into that, there are PLENTY of recycling centers for these bulbs nationwide and it becomes a non-issue.

On the issue of "the longevity claims are bogus".. nope. Not if you have CLEAN power.... if you have power that is constantly spiking/browning (in which case you should invest in a whole house surge protector), then the lifetime claims get iffy.
@Lerianis10
What about if one breaks? I'm not disputing anything this is what a casual search reveals:
http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup-detailed.html

I've broken a lot of bulbs over the past 60 years.

My son doesn't have the spiking/brownout problems and still gets nowhere near the life that is claimed for these bulbs. About 3X is what he tells me.
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Absolutely safe
davidr69 8th Jul
@Lerianis10 The mercury issue is completely valid. "Absolutely safe": that's what the government told us about the air at Ground Zero. I knew there was something wrong when the smell coming in through our office's vents was that of vaporized flesh and chemicals, so our building put the system on recirculate. Years later, we know how "safe" it was.
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Ahhhh, a true believer....
wizardjr 9th Jul
@Lerianis10
try living out here in the real world. wkulecz's claims are correct for most (many?) of us. Your throw away line about updating the house is just marvelous. Got any actual money numbers to compare costs instead of cut and paste from Greenpeace? How about the cost of a power conditioner to smooth out the power? A surge protector does NOT do the job.

As for the price of electricity... it would be half of what it will be in 2012 if we would stop all this idiocy about drilling and fracking and nukes.

But the real issues is the freedom to choose whatever bloodly light source I want and scew the damn polar bears.
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Not entirely accurate based on my experience.
Pete "athynz" Athens 9th Jul
@Lerianis10 On the issue of "the longevity claims are bogus".. nope. Not if you have CLEAN power.... if you have power that is constantly spiking/browning (in which case you should invest in a whole house surge protector), then the lifetime claims get iffy.

I work at a high rise building that has a backup system that utilizes 2 diesel generators and a UPS system as a backup. The UPS system acts not only as a means to keep power on critical systems but also acts as a power filter keeping the spiking/ browning issue down.

What this has to do with your longevity statement is that same system takes care of the lighting systems within the building which is comprised of mainly fluorescent lighting but also fixtures that formerly used incandescent lamps but have in the last 4 years been replaced by CFLs. And in the last 4 years those CFLs have been replaced at least twice! And again this is on a system that utilizes "filtered" power and a building automation system that regulates the on/off times of these lights.

As it stands right now the owners are considering a few proposals to go to LED lighting wherever possible throughout the building and eliminating the so-called long life CFLs.
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No.
snoop0x7b 8th Jul
@wkulecz

The waste heat "savings" is a myth. If you're losing 90W to heat on a 100W bulb, your heater only has to put out 90W of additional energy to make that up...

The CFL mercury issue is a nonissue if you dispose of CFLs properly by taking them to a recycling center. Any home depot or lowes will take them.
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pipe dreams
wizardjr 9th Jul
@snoop0x7b as if most of the public will take the time and gasoline to drive to a recycle center with a dead CFL. You live in a dream world not populated by real people.

As for your heat claims you might want to take a course in Thermodynamics and practical civil/mechanical engineering before making such simplistic claims. Your statement leaves out huge amounts of heat exchange and efficiency issues.
@snoop0x7b

Apparently not true. Around here there are two Home Depots and two Lowes. It depends on which month I go and who I talk to as to whether or not they take CFLs. And for a long time, neither of them would at all. They also can't decide if they take fluorescent tubes and if so, how many.

I would also argue the long-life claims of CFLs. It seems extremely dependent on your particular circuits and usage. They seem very fragile.
@wkulecz It appears to me the wording of the bill is for public works to switch their bulbs - not individual consumers - although I could be wrong. Here we have bills that force our municipalities to use more efficient bulbs, and they are already paying off. Changing lightbulbs turns out to be the driver here - paying the guys with the super long ladders / cranes is ridiculously expensive in many public buildings.
@wkulecz
Absolutely wrong.

The CF lightbulbs have been in the UK for years and are

Pro:
- Cheap
- Last for ages and ages

Con:
- Are about 20% dimmer than the rated equivalent
- Have been intriduced before proper recycling widely available

They are good, and well worth it.

Indeed manufacture/import has been banned in the EU of traditional fillament liights since Sept 2009. Sell thru on old stocks is still allowed.
It is my decision how to illuminate my house and nobody should tell me not to use incandescent bulbs, candles or a petrol lamp.
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Yeah, every American
GoPower 8th Jul
should be able to do whatever they want regardless of how it affects anybody else. Maybe okay when the country contained 2 million people in 1810, but with 320 million today that's not really sane.
@Linux Geek
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American's right
davidr69 8th Jul
@GoPower Hey, it's every American's right to have a 32-cylinder SUV that will only transport 1 person, and it's every American's right to consume 3x the amount of food that he should.

We live lifestyles of excess without a care about what it will do to our children/grandchildren.
@GoPower
maybe we should bring those numbers under control. I would start with the illegal immigrants.
@Linux Geek Not really. It has NOTHING to do with what you want. For example, if you wanted to use a petrol lamp, fine. Go ahead and FIND someone selling petrol lamps that won't burn down and/or stink up your house. The real issue is going to be if anyone is going to continue making incandescent bulbs anymore. Go to your home depot or Lowes and look at the bulb section. With the introduction of the CFL bulbs and now the LED-based bulbs, how much shelf space is going to go to incandescent lighting? Your "choice" is NOT yours. If nobody continues making incandescent bulbs anymore, there goes your choice, doesn't it. So, who's choice is it? Probably the choice of the people who make light bulbs. Maybe, to a certain extent, the store chains who have to allocate shelf space. To a certain extent, consumers will make that choice. I agree that it would be nice for the government to stay out of your decision, but there has to be a standard for government offices. We already have too many bulb types: cfl, incandescent, led, halogen, straight flourescent (many lengths). Then again, who is going to provide all of the electricity for all of this?
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Nanny State
kkaiser 8th Jul
try running an Ez-Bake oven with a 14w CF. ain't happening.
@kkaiser Either the EZ-Bake oven will become a memory (yummy to those of us that used them as kids) or the law will have to be changed to allow them. The only issue then becomes cost per bulb if they are allowed to be made for very few uses.
@kkaiser I think they should start making the Ez-Microwave and forget about the bulb oven. I was fine with my Gilbert chemistry set and my mother never knew I was making brimestone in her kitchen (burning sulfur).
I've used CFL's for several years, and their claims of longer life are bunk. Most I've had have died within 12 months of use. Now you have a bulb with mercury in it that you can't just throw in the trash. Plus, these bulbs are more expensive to buy than incandescent, so I'd say CFL's have cost me MORE.
@Dauplat : CFL's have inconsistent quality standards; I've had some last a few months, and a few have been working for almost 6 years now. I save about $30/month average (more in winter, less in summer because of daylight hours). So that's $350/year just in my home. As far as bulb costs, they are very cheap at home improvement megastores, currently $1.45 each in multipacks.

As president of our homeowners association, I oversee the usage of CFLs for exterior lighting for 250 homes. We were changing 25-30 incandescants (60W) per month; 13W CFL's are averaging 2-3/month, so that's about a 10X the lifetime. Not only do we save on energy costs, but also on labor costs to change bulbs. In fact, so few of them burn out that I change them myself, perhaps 2-3 times/year.

I've never had a broken tube; sometimes the tube breaks away from the base, but the tube is intact. Recycling is so easy; just save them in a box, then take them to the store when it's time to buy more.
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Depends.
snoop0x7b Updated - 8th Jul
@Dauplat

Depends on which ones you buy... I still have a CFL that's 5 years old. It's a GE one. Most of the ones in my house are 2-3 years old at this point. My GE CFLs have been doing great for me so far.
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The LAW won't save ANYONE money, unless it forces companies to provide them at cost, under penalty of jail time, which would be theft by wealth-redistribution. Using them MAY save money, and the consumer can do that just fine without any crappy law.
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Incandescent Light Bulbs
rgeiken@... 8th Jul
Every Incandescent bulb in my house is connected to a dimmer, and that is how they operate most of the time. Only on rare occasions do I need the full brilliance of the bulb fully powered. I hope that the law gets revoked so that people will be able to purchase things according to their needs.
@rgeiken@...

CFLs that work with dimmers exist. They work fine.
@toadlife
99% of all CFLs you can buy warn the users on the package that they will not work with dimmers. I once went out of my way to laboriously look for some CFLs that were advertised to work with dimmers. These had a very poor dimming range and made people look like death warmed over when not running at full power. CFL life is especially bad for bulbs that are constantly turned on and off. In such service they do not last appreciably longer than an ordinary incandescent, but are substantially more expensive. It must have something to do with the electronics in them constantly warming up and cooling down, thereby eventually giving up the ghost much sooner than they otherwise would. A governmental mandate of one-size-fits-all prohibition on a source of electric light that has served us for over 100 years is shortsighted and intrusive. Let the people decide where and whether they want to save money by installing these more expensive light sources. Why do our all wise politicians have to decide how and where we use light in our homes and businesses.
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whatever happened...
wolf_z 8th Jul
...to the nanotech incandescents?

IIRC they were just as bright as CFL, just as power-efficient, and cost only slightly more than normal incandescents.
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The savings claim is completely bogus.
adornoe@... Updated - 8th Jul
Even if the bulbs do save on a one to one basis as replacements for the old incandescent bulbs, I find that I need to use more of those bulbs or a higher wattage bulb, in order to compensate for the luminescence that I lost.

Furthermore, even if there really was a savings with the bulbs, and a person could actually see less power being consumed as indicated by the electricity meters in homes, the savings never really get realized. When the electric company loses revenue because of less consumption in homes and/or businesses, they almost always end up applying for a rate increase and they almost always end up getting it. So, even if you do have energy consumption with the bulbs, the pocketbook doesn't get to see the savings.

It's the same situation with higher MPG cars, where if people end up with major savings in gas money, the government will end up losing tax revenue because of the lower demand for fuels, and, like always happens, the government ends up dreaming up a higher tax for fuels, or an alternate means of making up that lost tax revenue, such as what they're talking about now with charging people on the number of miles driven.

The bottom line is that, government has no business dictating to people or businesses what they'll use in their everyday lives. When it comes to big and intrusive government, they need to sell their progressive agenda as "beneficial" to people and the environment, all the while the real agenda being more control over people and the economy. It's time to stop the lies and the intrusion.
Go ahead. Leave in the incandescent bulbs. Al Qaida can use your oil money.
out of the way in our search and development of our own oil and other energy sources.

It's precisely because of the big government intervention that we are buying foreign oil. We actually have our own resources, which, if allowed to be produced, we could be independent of foreign sources. If you want to blame anyone for us using "Al Qaeda" energy, blame the nincompoops in Washington who have prevented us from developing our own oil. It's that same big government intrusion which is dictating that we "must" convert to the alternate bulbs. Stupidity at the highest levels is what has us being so dependent and going so far downhill in every way possible.
What savings is there when the Poorer lighting levels causes one's eyes to deteriorate? I've used the brightest compact flourescents I can find, and I'll go for a 100 watt incandescent anytime for reading.

I had some of the CF "supposed" sporlights. What a joke.
a cigar lighter gives off more light.
Yeah, let's make another law. Does anyone realize the costs involved in making a law and enforcing it?
Whether you are a tree hugger or not, I think we could all agree that this law is not absolutely necessary and will not save any human lives (that I can think of).
I buy and use CFLs when they make sense (which is usually the case). Sometimes a long-life incandescent (up to 20k hours) makes sense. I don't need the fat slobs in Washington making that decision for me. If they weren't always busy making laws (to try to justify their positions), the massive political infrastructure wouldn't be necessary. I wonder how much money THAT would save?
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Since the government subsidies companies with loans, farmers to grow or not grow something, oil companies with big tax breaks, how about the government paying the difference in price between CFL and incandescent? This might rev up the CFL industry and provide jobs for some of the 9% unemployed. Riigght....and I have beach front property in Nevada to sell...right after California slides into the ocean.
@haycritter The farm subsidy was created to lower the output of farm goods so the price would not be so low that the farmers could not survive. I think that those subsidies are worth while, but since corn is now being used as a fuel as well as food that we might want to rethink how much discouragement we provide to help prices drop to previous years levels.
False efficiencies; erroneous thinking; hidden costs; little or no true savings. Don't overlook the costs of replacing bulbs more often, of disposing of the bulbs, of decontaminating households, of healthcare charges, et al. Plus the costs of trying to enforce a law which I, and hopefully other thinking souls, will not only ignore but violate at every opportunity.
There are three problems with the new law.
1. It ignores the heavy metal polution created by the disposal of the new bulbs.
2. It was designed to fill the coffers of those contributing to the Democrat party resulting in nothing more than a vote buying scheme.
3. It steals a little more of your freedom, a little here, a little there!
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CHANGE THE LAW THIS WAY
mswift@... 8th Jul
Make the law apply to changing to LED lights instead of CFLs. I've replaced the lights that we use most often with LEDs. They come on immediately and use about 12% of the power of the incandescent they replace. I changed those lights and changed to a smaller water heater and my power bill went down $50 a month. So 100% ROI was about 6 months.
Yet another GOP tirade against environmental responsibility. The "jobs" claim is ridiculous; most manufacturing is done outside the US, whether it's for incandescent, CFL, or LED bulbs.
which creates intrusive and expensive regulations which makes the manufacturing on our shores very unworkable.
@adornoe@... I don't agree. It has nothing to do with making jobs on our shores. They make the bulbs overseas because the masses that make them in China don't get paid as much as we do. That is normally fixed by the concept of a "tariff". Unfortunately, China got "Most Favored Nation" status from... which political side was that.. oh, Bush. Anyway, Walmart really likes it. They can buy all this cheap stuff from China. Nothing to do with intrusive regulations. We need to bring back some regulation of some industries. Like energy, oil. Don't you agree or do you like the prices you pay?
Nobody questions the effect that regulations have on our jobs and businesses. Regulations always cause a distortion in our jobs and businesses to the point where businesses have to farm out their production to other countries. That's undeniable. The more regulations that are passed on businesses, the more of our jobs that will get shipped to other countries.

When it comes to trade, China is but one of those that have trade pacts with the U.S., and if it wasn't China doing "our" manufacturing, it would be some other country. Right now, China is the best known and largest of countries "taking" our jobs, but, there are many other countries also taking our jobs and money and businesses. Before China became the best known devil that took our jobs, there were others, namely Japan and Korea and Mexico. So, the China excuse won't fly. Our jobs are going overseas because corporations were left with no choices when our government became so intrusive and expensive with business and job destroying regulations and heavy taxation.

Regulations of oil and the prevention to develop our own, is one of the biggest reasons that energy costs are so high. We have become dependent upon foreign sources for our energy and thus, it's become a lot more expensive. It doesn't have to be so expensive if we were allowed to drill for our own energy. The alternate energy sources WILL NEVER be able to replace oil and coal as cost-effective sources for energy, and so, we'll end up paying a lot higher prices for our energy and that too will send "our" jobs overseas, and with that, further problems for the economy.

Everything government does has repercussion throughout the economy, and as we're experiencing now, those repercussions always lead to economic downturns. Socialism always ends up killing any economy in which it's practiced.
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What good is a poll like this when the Marxist Europeans who worship Al Gore can also vote? This is America!
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And for you Marxist Americans...
robajoseph15 8th Jul
...a pox on you too. This is America!
@robajoseph15 Where the rich get richer and the poor get.....
I've found that a CFL operating inverted heats up the electronics in the base and the bulb dies sooner from component failure.
@trm1945 Really? Because as an experiment I actually have had a CFL bulb burning constantly 24/7, barring power fluctuations, for over three years now in the attic of my 1946 home. My power bill has not gone up, except for the expected summer AC spike, and the bulb is still burning. Granted it's not the most scientifically valid experiment since I cannot control all the variables precisely but, as a field test I'd say the CFL bulbs function flawlessly and with a longer life than any incandescent bulb I've ever used.
@Str0b0, try using it like you normally would (on and off) and see how long it lasts.
@Str0b0 I'm surprised you can even run incandescents in a 1946 home. Did they have electricity back then or was it all gaslight? (just kidding). Would be something to think aboutif we could not use the same fixtures. Kind of like the old broacast analog TV sets.
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Meddlesome legislation...
Str0b0 8th Jul
Meddlesome legislation abounds these days. I personally define meddlesome laws as any law passed under the onus of a particular morality or belief with the intention of forcing public compliance. The only time a law should be passed is when the safety and well being of the people is being preserved.

This is not meddlesome legislation. This is not a bunch of "liberal" garbage being foisted down American throats. This law hits at the very core of a problem we need to start facing head on or it will overwhelm this country. We need to be more energy efficient. Our rampant consumerism cannot continue at its current pace. If you left it up to the average Joe American they would run the AC full blast with every light in the house on because screw it it's a free country and they can do what they want. All the while they add to an energy deficit that cannot be overcome with current technology.

If we do not shape up there will be nothing left for our children or their children except a wasted heap of a planet filled with the inefficient garbage of our folly. I agree that the government should limit its intrusion in the personal lives of those it governs but, this is an act to preserve the whole. Our inefficient and gluttonous consumption of energy cannot continue and to repeal this bill based on shortsighted cost evaluations would be like neglecting life saving surgery because it costs too much now while ignoring the potential earnings that could be made with an extended life.
be a problem to begin with.

What government is actually doing is trying to dictate a solution to a problem which they caused to begin with. Saving energy, or being energy independent is what big government is now proposing and selling to us as "a need to save the environment and/or to become energy independent".

We became dependent upon foreign sources when our own energy and oil companies were prevented from seeking, developing and extracting our own oil and/or coal. It's like preventing a home-owner from having his own water supply and then forcing that home-owner to fetch his water from some other distant place and having to pay extra for the privilege. The problem there would not be that water is hard to get; the problem would be that water was MADE HARD TO GET and much more expensive. Meanwhile, a middle-man, aka: the government, is what caused the problems and people then become dependent upon that same government to "create" solutions. All the while, people were not expected to notice how intrusive and controlling big government had become.

People have come to expect that, the way things are is because of some problem with how citizens and corporations run things, but, the neither the citizens nor businesses created the problems which are now needing answers. But, when the entity that created the problems is taking it upon itself to fix the problems, we undoubtedly end up with bigger and worse problems.

People need to be more logical in thinking about how things got the way they are, and just simple-thinking about these are problems that need to be solved, isn't going to solve the bigger problems. The bigger problems is the liberal thinking that presumes to have the answer to all of our problems, while making things worse and then looking for more answers when the solutions keep making things even worse. It's redundant and circular thinking by the problem makers that keep us going deeper into destruction.

The fact is that, this is "liberal garbage" being foisted down American throats. Rationalizations and justifications don't solve any problems, and they just end up keeping things problematic or just making things worse.
We use CFLs at home for some applications but most certainly do not want the government telling me what type of bulb I can use. Also thought it was blatantly misleading how the title says the law overlooks the potential savings. The potential savings has not gone away, it's just that the decision to get the supposed savings would be in the hands of the person who should be making the decision, the consumer.

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