Too green? Too much information? Global warming a natural process? Give up yet?

By | June 17, 2008, 2:20pm PDT

Summary: If you believe a rag published in Manhattan, many Americans are overloaded with eco-info, advice on what to do to be more responsible in using the earth’s resources. The explosion of green as marketing and political and social and ethical and trendy and…well, you know. We’re just greening all over the place. Partly the problem [...]

If you believe a rag published in Manhattan, many Americans are overloaded with eco-info, advice on what to do to be more responsible in using the earth’s resources. The explosion of green as marketing and political and social and ethical and trendy and…well, you know. We’re just greening all over the place.

Partly the problem is complex and conflicting information. I own a Prius and cannot really find the bottom line on whether I shoud be driving a giant old Jeep instead. Here’s one blog that tried to sort through the who’s-greener? issues, and then gave up without a conclusion. Nonetheless, on strictly economic grounds I like getting over 40 MPG.

TOO MUCH CHOICE?

Two clear problems: too much choice and too much marketing.

Choice: our grandparents never had the coice of bottled water v. tap water v. filtered-at-home water. Now one woman’s written and had published a whole book on the history of bottled water. It’s almost 250 pages long. And I’ve succumbed to a couple blogs on bottled water, well mostly on the bottles which can contain some tasteless toxins.

Marketing: here’s a bit from a recent press release stressing the “greenness” of the product being hyped: “Fish Don’t Fart(TM)*…EPA claims, ‘. . . in the U.S., cattle emit about 5.5 million metric tons of methane per year into the atmosphere, accounting for 20% of U.S. methane emissions.’ Go green. Eat fish. ” Fish Don’t Fart! A phrase for the Green Age…but wait, they do defecate in my drinking water.

BTW, the website for this portable fish and lettuce farm, suitable for your back yard, is green, literally. Click here for greenness.

Global extinctions & global warming

For those not yet overloaded on information, here’s some, and there’s precious little you can do about it now. You’re millions of years too late. Research at the University of Wisconsin shows that every major extinction event over hundreds of millions of years [if you disbelieve in evolution, you're reading the wrong blog] had one thing in common: major shifts in sea and ocean levels. Ooops, isn’t that one of the predictions coming from global warming warners?

Here’s an excerpt of the research summary: “changes in ocean environments related to sea level exert a driving influence on rates of extinction, which animals and plants survive or vanish, and generally determine the composition of life in the oceans. Since the advent of life on Earth 3.5 billion years ago, scientists think there may have been as many as 23 mass extinction events…” Do I hear 24? What am I bid for 24 on MEE Hit List?

And if you hanker after more things to worry about, the British Royal Society just gave its top science writing prize to the global warming disaster scenario book, Six Degrees. If temps get too high, Americans will get out, says the author, and that will surely reduce our emissions, methane or otherwise.

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Harry Fuller

Harry Fuller is a media veteran, having spent decades in TV news in the San Francisco Bay Area. As GeneralManager of KPIX-TV (CBS) he founded one of the nation's first TV station websites in early 1995. He was News Direcor at TechTV when it was founded in 1998. In 2001 he moved to London to become Executive Producer for CNBC Europe. Four years later he returned to San Francisco as Executive Editor for CNET's news.com.

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redcarwire 5th Nov 2008
I am still positive that someday we will live in a green society. Actions have been taken, fuel saving devices are on the market. It's up to us to continue this advocacy.
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Drive the Jeep
Stuka 17th Jun 2008
Nothing wrong with cruising an old Full Size Jeep. Personally, I love my old J10 happy

Granted my ford gets tripple the fuel economy, which is a nice thing to have right about now.
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Prove it....
techboy_z 17th Jun 2008
Sick of the tree-huggers ruling the universe with their faux science. Prove evolution. Prove global warming. Then come back to us. Until then, shut up! You've got nothing but theories, and ill-founded ones at that!
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Linux User 147560 17th Jun 2008
Disprove evolution.
Disprove global warming.

Then come back to us, until then shut up! You've got nothing but ill founded beliefs and theories as well.

And round and round we go... when will the denial and ignorance end? When they are dead. devil
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Try this
mdvickery 17th Jun 2008
http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=22059
Then search for David Archibald. Examine science rather than hysteria.
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This is even better.
HooNoze Updated - 17th Jun 2008
Just google "David Archibald" exxon

He works for the oil industry.

Here's a link that explains the science behind most of the common skeptic arguments. Check what they say against NAS, AAAS, NOAA and other peer-reviewed scientific bodies.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
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So, Scott McClellan is a big fat lier?
AllKnowingAllSeeing 17th Jun 2008
I mean, he did work for the Bush administration, so anything he says, either positive or negative must be a lie, as a leopard dosen't change his spots?

Why does this David Archibald guy automaticlly get the name "lier" attached to him?
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Huh?
HooNoze 17th Jun 2008
Did you see the word liar someplace? I merely pointed out that David Archibald is employed by the oil industry. You seemed to have assumed that meant he was a liar. I did not say that.

I would suggest however, that since he is employed either directly or indirectly by the oil industry that it is reasonable to suspect that there may be some bias in his opinions on global warming.

I would further suggest that in matters of science, it is generally better to look to world-renowned organizations such as NAS, AAAS, NOAA etc and the peer-reviewed publications created by these organizations.

Although I've heard the name, I do not really know who Scott McClellan is, nor to I understand his relationship to the topic of discussion. I'll leave it to you to decide if he tells the truth or not.
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Linux User 147560 17th Jun 2008
Not necessarily liar but his findings are suspect due to the conflict of interest. The conflict arises since he is funded by the oil and coal industry. Would you believe him? devil
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Linux User 147560 17th Jun 2008
Try this instead... these people are not employed by big oil and they represent scientists from around the world.

In case you would rather cut to the chase.

And one more for good measure

The fact is, it has been well documented that big oil has hired scientists of no real ethics to spread FUD and to attempt to discredit thousands of scientists around the world. This is documented in publicly accessible forums and media.

Aw heck, here is a link that shows 400+ scientists that have been paid by oil companies to "refute" global warming.

And guess who is #2!? 2. David Archibald, Australia. Geologist with Summa Development Limited. Associated with Australia's Lavoisier Group, which was established specifically to be skeptical of climate change. The group receives funding from the coal and oil industry.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lavoisier_Group
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/Archibald.pdf

So how truthful are his findings? When it comes to corporations trying to stay in a position of power and dominance... doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the conflict of interest.

Care to try again? Maybe with someone that isn't on a corporate pay roll. devil
what a stupid comparison, the problem of gasoline is not only global warming, the biggest issue is that you wont never sleep or breath beside a smoking exhaust of a gasoline car, do you?
The main flaw of gasoline (also in a 40mpg car like your HOAX prius which can actually make up to 60mpg WITHOUT being hybrid, so being hybrid SHOLUD be able to make up to 90mpg, something the big companies does not want) is the SMOG. You got to hate that.
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isdsgdasp 18th Jun 2008
for stupid paid articles like this is why I don't read anymore this blog...
I agree with all the opinions here, even with the first one, you, the writer of the article, shouldn't even own a Prius hybrid. Too much for your little mind.
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Linux User 147560 18th Jun 2008
You can edit any previous posts you make, in the upper right corner of your original post is an edit button, that way you don't have to add a second post! devil
So if Archibal loves CO2 why don't he just give is children some of that to breath... what an ass***le
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Emotions versus Science
jamestbaines@... 18th Jun 2008
When emotions, rather than science, take ownership of issues, it's a clear sign that it is time for the sane to jump ship. Let's give Al Bore another box of Kleenex and move on to issues that we can actually do something about. Because other than long term migration, there is nothing we can do to fix this one.
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Linux User 147560 18th Jun 2008
"...there is nothing we can do to fix this one."

And this is why we are in the predicament we are in. devil
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redcarwire 5th Nov 2008
I am still positive that someday we will live in a green society. Actions have been taken, fuel saving devices are on the market. It's up to us to continue this advocacy.

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