What am I bid for reduced greenhouse gas emissions?

Summary: Ten billion for international global warming combat fund.

The bidding seems to begin around $10 billion. The British Commonwealth and France are asking for an international fund of that size to help poorer nations deal with global warming. It is not clear how much of that they'd like to see donated by the U.S. and China, the earth's top greenhouse gas producers.

Like India, which I blogged on, Canada now stands against any mandatory emission cuts. They have to defend their huge tar sands industry from any drop in oil demand.

These national and regional political interests will get thrashed over at the Copehagen climate talks which begin December 7.

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  • Canada has a conservative PM

    Which means that he has not lost his mind yet.

    If poor countries want money then they should work for it, not steal it via gaia-bs.

    Get off ur lazy ass I'd say.
    The Flintstones
    • not really

      yes we have a conservative goverment but they
      have lost there mind yess big time .....
      Quebec-french
      • Not to worry,

        it will be Liberals soon again. But at the same time, they have roughly the same policies as the Conservatives. Only on the 'value' issues there is a difference.
        The Flintstones
  • RE: What am I bid for reduced greenhouse gas emissions?

    Regardless of who's in Power in Canada, as a country it has a severe handicap. It exports far more energy than it consumes both in oil and tar sands. The process in which to refine the tar sands is 'dirty' (like coal is) and per /100,000 people the emissions it produces creates an very difficult balance of "numbers". This is because Canada's population is 10% of the U.S. population (34M est)- of which we export about 85% of the production too.

    Any government, conservative or liberal in Canada is going to get hammered and potentially see economic disaster if the production and refinement of the tar sands is halted.

    So the spin on how to best manage it is impossible and there's no getting around the fact that production produces significant C02.

    doug.hanchard@...
    • Lots of words, but irrelevant.

      C02 doesn't cause global warming. And global warming doesn't exist.

      You've listened to Anglia type scientists for too long. Your ego is now blocking acceptance of the facts. Quite sad actually (for you that is).

      And Canada is doing fine. Making lots of money.
      The Flintstones
      • Money will not help us ....

        when there will be no more food ... because of
        pollution .

        Canada should go with wind power electricity
        and more water power electricity ,

        the saint laurent river should be turn into a
        giant electric generator ... that electricity
        should be sold to USA at top dollar we would
        make more money and less pollution.


        But our idiot Harper is should a problem that
        we will suffer a lots because of him ...sadly .

        But the west love him so much please Harper
        make more bad choice so Quebec quit please
        ......

        Quebec-french
        • Would you want Quebec to go on its own - out of Canada?

          Just curious.
          The Flintstones
          • by any mean

            like jacque parizeau said

            "My friends"
            "It's lost, but not by much. But it's a
            success, it's a success in a way. Please, let's
            stop talking about the francophones of Quebec,
            would you? Let's talk about us: the 60% - those
            who voted for (independence). We fought well,
            and we ... we even showed clearly what we
            wanted. And we missed by a small margin, by a
            few tens of thousands of voices. Well, in a
            case like this, what do we do? We spit in our
            hands and start all over again.
            "I really wanted this to go through. I wanted
            it so badly, like all of you, that it would get
            through. We were so close to a country. Well,
            it's been delayed a little ... not for long,
            not for long ... we won't wait 15 years this
            time ... no, no ..."
            "It's true, it's true that we have been
            defeated, but basically by what? By money and
            ethnic votes, essentially. So all it means is
            that, in the next round, instead of being 60 or
            61 per cent to vote YES, we will be 63 or 64
            per cent and it will suffice. That's all. But
            now my friends, in the months that will come,
            we are going to... Listen: Some people got so
            afraid that the temptation to take revenge is
            going to be something! And never again will it
            be more important to have a Parti Qu?b?cois
            government to protect us until the next time!


            one again dirty money and cared emigrant ...
            luckily the next generation will be have more
            ball then there parent had .....( and will
            listen less to the federalist lies )
            Quebec-french
          • Tnx

            Well, it might sound strange coming from a western Canadian, but I would have no problem with Quebec deciding to go its own way. Not that I have anything against QC, but simply for this reason: if a people wants to choose its own destiny without strings to others, then that is simply a good thing, and a cause to be supported. It would be bad for Canada - it would break up in 3 regions effectively, but so be it. So for me it's a matter of principle - I would support QC.
            The Flintstones
          • holu shiit im on my @ss truly

            i was sure to get flame as always ...

            thx you for the respect and support

            maybe a redefinition of the canadian Constitution would solve everything becoming
            a federation and not a confederation .... could
            be the best thing yet


            thx you
            Quebec-french
          • Well, Canada would actually be worse off without Quebec.

            I mean, we already have shitty food, and without the good influence of QC it would be way worse.

            The way I see it is this: the more you let anglo-saxons touch food, the more it gets destroyed. Really - they have no clue whatseover how to deal with food. There is a one on one correlation between the time spent by anglo-saxons on food, and how bad it tastes.

            So, there you have it. :)

            Hmm. It would be too bad for the atlantic provinces though. They would be on their own then.
            The Flintstones
      • excuse me?

        I will respect many points of view. I'll accept that is a persons right to express and disagree with those views.

        That does not imply that anyone can make an assumption of what I have or haven't listened to and suggests how I (or anyone else)comes to a conclusion or view.

        C02 as a gas creates heat, which can create global warming. That fact can not be argued. What can, and I don't think anyone knows the true answer to is what is the balance of absortion rate that nature can withstand.

        Common sense, let alone a scientific study suggests that any large imbalance of what 'nature' started with will have consequences. We simply do not know how much tolerance there is.

        Do I think Global warming is a possibility because of carbon fuel emissions that create C02? - yes.

        Do I think it's prudent that we find ways to reduce the impacts of human production and use of carbon fuel emissions? - yes.

        Everyone should also be aware that C02 inbalances have other consequences, not just global warming concerns. There are other valid enviromental concerns that impact the earth and all its inhabitants and ecosystem.

        Those may not be a priority for anyone, but there are consequences that we should all think about.

        How a government presents solutions will vary and there are going to be difficult political challenges ahead all over the world.

        What I said is that Canada is handicapped in how to deal with any international agreement that may come about. There's going to be difficult problems to solve in negiotating a fair agreement, again regardless of who's in power.

        That's what I believe, regardless of how anyone thinks I can to that conclusion.

        thanks,
        Doug

        doug.hanchard@...
        • Canada doesn't care.

          It's not like we're in a hot zone already. Global warming (which doesn't happen - notice the last 10 years?) would actually be a boon for us. Lots more land to live on.

          And we have lots of oil reserves. Ready to drill. Y'know - jobs and wealth. The good stuff.
          Screw the doomsayers.
          The Flintstones
        • Nonsense

          Your statement presupposes that there is a certain "correct" level of CO2. Or at the very least an "average" level over the planetary lifetime. We already know that is not a fact. The amount of atmospheric CO2 in Earth's atmosphere has varied widely over the life of the planet.
          Some reputable climatologist believe that the amount of H2O in the atmosphere has a much greater effect on greenhouse energy retention than CO2.
          As far as we can tell using real (not cooked) data there is no collation between the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and global temperature. CRU admits as much, which is why they had to modify their data to hide the decline in global temperature over the last decade. A time when CO2 levels have been rising.
          As for how someone should reach a conclusion? Study the data and be suspicious of anyone who won't let you see their data.
          magash@...
    • Large raw material economies significantly disadvantaged

      Canada, like Australia, rank top 10 Co2 producers per person. But I this
      not the only measure.

      As it's global CO2 "they" are worried about production per km squared of
      the earths surface is just as defendable stat. In this case Canada
      (0.0545516276451801 tonnes per km2) and Australia
      (0.048363473644908), with strikingly similar economies come in 135th
      and 136th respectively.

      Keep up the fight my Canadian friends.
      Richard Flude
      • Tnx - we will.

        The political trend here is - 'go west' and 'conservative' after decades of failed liberalism & political correctness. People's eyes are gradually opening again. We now have a good conservative government and there will be more to come. It also helps that the western provinces are gaining in population and economic clout. And trust me - they loathe eastern liberalism.
        The Flintstones
    • Mr Hanchard NPD would do better

      But yes neither the conservative and liberal
      would do anything good ... that the sad part
      about canada .....
      Quebec-french
      • NPD?

        That equates to:
        1. Destroying economy.
        2. Higher taxes.
        3. Removing of gun/rifle rights.

        So that comes close to communism. Nah. No thanks.
        The Flintstones
  • I bid a 1967 Candy Apple Red Mustang

    Driven all the way to DC.
    Agnostic_OS
    • Sweet...

      ... maybe we can have a "Million Car Drive" rally in DC.
      Hallowed are the Ori