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By | October 31, 2009, 7:39am PDT

Summary: GAO calls for national strategy to cope with effects of global warming.

Most American government entities–from township to feds–aren’t in a big hurry to confront global warming. That’s the conclusion of a new report from the Government Accounting Office (GAO). You can read the full report here.

The GAO did find action being taken in Maryland, New York City and Seattle. In general the problem seems to be muddled thinking, or “Is that part of my job?” Also, financial problems at local and state levels make it very attractive to postpone any global warming action for now.

Finally the GAO goes into the horrible closet that hides centralized planning. They actually call for some rational, planned, fact-based approach to global warming. Here is their exact plea,
“Congress and federal agencies could encourage adaptation by clarifying roles and responsibilities. About 71 percent (129 of 181) of the respondents rated the development of a national adaptation strategy as very or extremely useful. Climate change is a complex, interdisciplinary issue with the potential to affect every sector and level of government operations. Our past work on crosscutting issues suggests that governmentwide strategic planning–with the commitment of top leaders–can integrate activities that span a wide array of federal, state, and local entities…
“The appropriate entities within the Executive Office of the President, such as the Council on Environmental Quality and the Office of Science and Technology Policy, in consultation with relevant federal agencies, state and local governments, and key congressional committees of jurisdiction, should develop a national strategic plan that will guide the nation’s efforts to adapt to a changing climate. The plan should, among other things, (1) define federal priorities related to adaptation; (2) clarify roles, responsibilities, and working relationships among federal, state, and local governments; (3) identify mechanisms to increase the capacity of federal, state, and local agencies to incorporate information about current and potential climate change impacts into government decision making; (4) address how resources will be made available to implement the plan; and (5) build on and integrate ongoing federal planning efforts related to adaptation.”

Well, that pretty well ruins the day of any anti-government conservative, not to mention corporate lobbyist or global warming denier. Central planning? Isn’t that what brought down the Soviet Union? Heavens. My local schools should have the right to spend money on the football team and not replace that antique boiler in the basement.

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I need to spell it out I guess. Kind sad but here we go...
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 1st Nov 2009
You referred to 'consensus' among scientist to support your point.

In response to that, I indicated that you failed to take into account that there are many scientists that do not support the views held by the majority. This is in fact nothing special - it happens all the time, in many sciences.

I would like to add the when it comes to determining truth, having a majority means nothing. Some examples:
- at one time the majority of the scientists thought that the earth was flat (and no, don't blame the Bible, the Bible made it clear that the earth was *round*, about 4,000 years before 'scientists' found that out - read the Book of Job, remarkable eh?);
- at one time, the majority of the scientists thought that using leeches to suck blood out of sick people, was beneficial;
- at one time, the majority of the people thought that non-white people were *no* people (oh, and by the way, Darwin was one of those scientists, if you read his 'Masterwork' you will find some pretty disgusting racial views of his - he thought black people were subhuman);
- at one time, scientists in majority supported the disgusting philosophies of eugenetics, and noweher was this stronger than in the USA and Germany (pre-/during-Hitler).

So my advice - stick to discussing the facts rather than referring to other people's opinions to support your own.

Think.
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itpro_z 31st Oct 2009
Harry, you need to add another choice on your survey.

"If the climate IS warming, it is part of a natural cycle and has very little to do with mankind's actions, and there is very little that we can do to affect it."
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another choice being added
atowhee 31st Oct 2009
--Harry Fuller
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Thanks, Harry
itpro_z 31st Oct 2009
That is much better.

By the way, most of us conservatives are not anti-government. We just expect government to live within its means, and we wish to restrict its power to that specifically granted to it. When the government begins to draw ever more power and control unto itself, history has taught us to be wary. Individual freedom and liberty thrives under limited government, and withers and dies under totalitarian rule. Is that so hard to understand?

If our scientists ever come to a consensus about climate change, and can convince us that they have a reasonable plan to alleviate the problem, then we will listen and make a rational decision. Since neither condition has yet been met, why don't we let them (the scientists) study the issue without political pressure and interference?
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Consensus about climate change among climate scientists was reached awhile ago, so you are wrong on that point.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/just-what-is-this-consensus-anyway/

As to your 2nd point, I don't think it's the role of scientists to reach a consensus about plans to alleviate the problem - that's the job of politicians and statesmen (and stateswomen) - and we the affected citizens. Scientists can tell us what the goal is, and what will/won't work, but it's up to us (the populace) to reach that goal. Hence this Copenhagen meeting to try to reach agreements.

So, what do you think are good free-market solutions consistent with minimal, limited government? Please don't deny the problem if you can't think of a solution consistent with your preferred government paradigm.

When Sputnik was launched in 1957, and the US felt technologically threatened, Pres. Eisenhower didn't deny that there was a Soviet satellite just because he couldn't think of a quick solution consistent with his conservatism - he made the government push for technological progress. And left office with a warning about big science and big industry. Would Eisenhower be branded a RINO today?
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Consensus my ass.
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 1st Nov 2009
There is consensus among scientists who agree with eachother. You should have said that. That would have been accurate.
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You thought 'consensus' meant 'agreed with you'?
Reality-based Updated - 1st Nov 2009
Consensus is among scientists who agree with each other, at least in the matters they agree on.
What other definition of 'consensus' did you have in mind, and what has that to do with your ass?
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Thing is....
Hallowed are the Ori 1st Nov 2009
There are THOUSANDS of scientists who DON'T agree. But you never hear anything about them or their claims to the contrary about global warmi... oops... climate change.
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I need to spell it out I guess. Kind sad but here we go...
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 1st Nov 2009
You referred to 'consensus' among scientist to support your point.

In response to that, I indicated that you failed to take into account that there are many scientists that do not support the views held by the majority. This is in fact nothing special - it happens all the time, in many sciences.

I would like to add the when it comes to determining truth, having a majority means nothing. Some examples:
- at one time the majority of the scientists thought that the earth was flat (and no, don't blame the Bible, the Bible made it clear that the earth was *round*, about 4,000 years before 'scientists' found that out - read the Book of Job, remarkable eh?);
- at one time, the majority of the scientists thought that using leeches to suck blood out of sick people, was beneficial;
- at one time, the majority of the people thought that non-white people were *no* people (oh, and by the way, Darwin was one of those scientists, if you read his 'Masterwork' you will find some pretty disgusting racial views of his - he thought black people were subhuman);
- at one time, scientists in majority supported the disgusting philosophies of eugenetics, and noweher was this stronger than in the USA and Germany (pre-/during-Hitler).

So my advice - stick to discussing the facts rather than referring to other people's opinions to support your own.

Think.
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Fuller, why the alarmist nonsense?
CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 31st Oct 2009
Get a job. Maybe watch some birds.
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I have to agree with you
Lerianis10 31st Oct 2009
This guy must have a lot of time on his hands to
keep posting this alarmist drivel. The fact is
that global warming is a NATURAL PROCESS that
humans are doing nothing to 'hasten' or 'delay'
because it is out of our control.

The only thing that we can do.... learn to live
with it, as I voted in the poll.
bad enough. We will definitely need research on how to
best build massive levy systems around the biggest
cities. The smaller ones will just have to relocate!
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@ DonnieBoy
M.R. Kennedy 31st Oct 2009
"Good article Harry!! We will start dealing with the problems as they get bad enough. We will definitely need research on how to best build massive levy systems around the biggest cities. The smaller ones will just have to relocate!"

We already have massive levy systems in place. They're called "taxes". And the good news is that cities of *any* size can play! None need be left out!

Oh. You meant "levee".

Or perhaps you really *did* mean "levy"...
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RE: Global warming
roebling@... 31st Oct 2009
Global warming's as real as the Y2K crisis ever was.
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But Y2K was real.
snberk341 1st Nov 2009
I've read some persuasive arguments that
because of the massive hyping of the potential
Y2K problems, they were fixed. The media, feeling
that it would be hard to sell the "crisis averted" story,
never bothered change their headlines. But the point
is.... because the problems were dealt with the crisis
was averted. And because there was a lot of publicity
about the event, a lot of work was put into looking for
and fixing the bug.

We haven't yet started to work towards reversing
humanity's impact on the climate, so the connection
with Y2K is a false one.

For the record, I'm not one of those who believe that
humans will destroy the planet. I just think that we are
messing up the planet badly enough to set back our
civilization back hundreds of years. Our modern
technological civilization depends on dependable
power, water, and food. Our technologies depend on
products and resources that are built and/or mined
from around the world. When large parts of the world
are mired in drought, famine, wars over water, and
when the coastal cities of the west are dealing with
rising sea levels (we won't have the resources to help
the cities of the east) - and governments are going
bankrupt trying to deal with multiples of Katrina sized
disasters.... then our civilizations will change. That is
my belief.
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Miami and Tampa the next great reefs?
MariusSilverwolf 31st Oct 2009
If the ocean levels do just happen to rise enough to put places like Miami and Tampa under water, will they become the next great reefs? With all the structural materials already in place, and the waters consistently warm enough for coral polyp growth, could we see those locations become new homes for dwindling reef populations?

What would such rising levels do to the NASA programs, though? The launch pads are very close to the shorelines with very little rise in the elevation.

This is what happens when I let my thoughts start to wander.
cities. It will be expensive though.
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May not work for Florida
MariusSilverwolf 31st Oct 2009
Many models foretell levels rising enough for the Everglades to become a delta basin, with the entire lower-third of Florida becoming entirely aquatic. What would they do, levy around the entire state?
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Thoughts...
M.R. Kennedy 31st Oct 2009
The next time your thoughts wander, don't retrieve them. Just let them go.
die of thirst, die from drowning...you're still dead.
move along...

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