The Eternal Floppy Disk: The Icon that Never Dies

By | March 25, 2008, 2:03pm PDT

When was the last time you had a computer with a floppy disk drive? Five years? Six? If you’re a Mac user, it could be ten years or more. Safe to say the floppy disk has been a thing of the past for eons, at least in computing years. And, with its maximum storage capacity and reliability so very 20th century relative to the ubiquitous memory stick of today, there’s little to be nostalgic for when it comes to one of the PC’s less-than-enduring technologies.

So you may be surprised to know that there’s probably still a floppy disk inside your computer, one that you may use every day, even if, like most of us, you probably never realize you’re using it. Fact is, the floppy disk not only never really disappeared, it may be more ubiquitous today than it ever was — especially if you, like a few hundred million computers users worldwide, still live and work inside the Microsoft Office world.

The eternal floppy disk you could still be using every day is that floppy disk icon sitting somewhere in upper left hand corner of your Microsoft Word, Excel, or other desktop application. Look carefully and there it is: a floppy disk of the 3 ½ inch variety, first used in 1982 and probably not used by most of us this century in anything but this iconic, virtual form.

Its ubiquity and longevity extend well beyond the legacy of the Office applications that first used the floppy disk as the universal sign of “save.” Microsoft’s latest and coolest business application, Microsoft CRM Live, as on-line and 21st century as you’ll get from Microsoft, also uses a little floppy disk icon for saving your work, even though the actual physical location of that file could as likely be in Tutwila as it is in Timbuktu. It’s there in your Adobe reader and your Palm Desktop as well, not to mention in the Openoffice.org Word wannabe, at least according to Wikipedia.

To their credit, Google and Zoho, two of the other on-line Word wannabes, eschew the floppy disk save icon in favor of a Save button. A Save button? How ultra-modern, supercool can you get?

What does this say about the computing industry and its always hip and leading edge self-image? One thing for sure, the industry is a little more staid and a lot less transient than its own PR would have us believe. It also highlights how much we take the user interface for granted when we look at a computer screen: I pointed out the ubiquity of the floppy disk to a whole raft of Microsoft employees at a recent conference, and every one of them admitted they hadn’t realized they were accessing a twenty six-year old icon every time they tried to save a file.

So just remember that when you use that little floppy disk icon to save a file, you’re re-enacting a long-lost historical moment in the antediluvian culture of the personal computer. It’s kind of like dialing a phone number, or rolling down the window in your car, or going to the drive-in: somewhere, firmly lodged in our DNA, is a memory of real floppy disks, storing data, moving around the office via sneaker-net and, more often than we liked, getting folded, spindled, and mutilated in the process. The fact that so many of us still go through the virtual motions of saving to a floppy disk every day speaks volumes about how much that ritual embedded itself in our lives. And how much we’re not really paying attention to how far our desktop software has advanced, and how much it’s still mired in the deep, and forgettable, past.

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The need in saving is not died yet
apetrovskiy 8th May
I noticed that in the cloud era the saving option by pressing Ctrl+S is a the same necessity as it was in the era of coaxial cable.
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The Point You Should Have Made
dunraven 25th Mar 2008
What hasn't changed much is not the technology, but the tendency of humans to resist change. The UI is not changing as rapidly cas it could because people change slowly. However, an interesting point for your article would have been this:

Why do we keep providing a "Save" button instead of just saving the document as you type it, like OLPC does?
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Save-As-You-Type
soup or man 25th Mar 2008
This is particularly interesting, because even though Office went through a major UI overhaul in its 2007 edition, the Save button remains in all of the programs with the exception of OneNote (Student Edition). I think this illustrates your (dunraven's) point in that Microsoft chose to introduce save-as-you-type in a relatively new product, while keeping the standard floppy disk save button for the 2007 versions of applications that the public is already accustomed to (Word, PowerPoint, and Excel).
I actually still have a 3 1/2" floppy drive in my system. In fact, I just used it yesterday to access some fairly old documents that contained some needed contact information relevant to a fund-raiser at my child's preschool.

I do agree that floppy disks are no longer really useful for anything other than accessing old, archival information, but it is definitely good to still have one available for those rare occasions when it is needed.
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USB Floppy
I am Gorby 26th Mar 2008
Yes! I purchased a USB Floppy drive a few years ago.
Just in case I needed any old docs from any of my computers.
Nowadays all data is backed up to external USB hard drives from my internal hard drive:- well actually I have a network drive as well (It gets backed up as well)
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The good ole save icon
ZenMasta 25th Mar 2008
In my opinion there isn't an icon that truly captures the word save like a good ole floppy aside from a hard drive icon. But not even a cd/dvd icon. I still have floppies in many of my pcs but yeah they are 5 years and older.
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Staples, etc. still sells them. Somebody must be buying then.
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When was the last time I used a computer that had a floppy disk?

Last night.

Seven. That's the number of computers I have that have floppy disks built into them.

There's my desktop machine, my linux-based server, my old game-playing DOSbox (300mhz K6 with both 3.5 and 5.25). There's my Compaq Aero laptop, which uses an external floppy. Then there's my C-128, my Amiga and my IBM PC (with dual half-height 5.25s).
I have 3 boxes of blank 3.5 disks on the shelf, because I found them cheap at Office Depot.
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Every computer I have in use has a floppy-drive. I have a library of several hundred floppies including a few hundred 1.2M/5.25". Every computer userer in this area still has and uses floppies for utility programs and data storage because they are still using DR-DOS, MS-DOS, Windows 3.11, Windows-95, and Windows-98..... you don't need all the fancy new technology and bloated Windows OS's to run your business..... If they want to play games, they buy a PS2 or Wii.
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A True Floppy Fan
CreepinJesus 4th Jun 2008
DOS, Windows 3.1, 95, 98, a PS2...

You certainly like your old technologies :P

I know I still have Windows 95 on a 40-disc box set of floppies somewhere...
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I deleted my floppy disk ages ago
geedavey@... 26th Mar 2008
...along with the undo and redo icons. They take up space on the taskbar that is badly needed for other more useful items. Anyone who laboriously mouses up to click those buttons instead of using Ctrl/Cmd-S, -Z and -shift-Z is a computing n00b, in my arrogant opinion. wink
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RE: Comments above
geedavey@... 26th Mar 2008
These comments bring up a good point that reflects on the anger against Word 2007 and Vista as well: those of us who compute in the real world of tight budgets and longstanding organizations have to constantly balance the value of upgrading vs. the loss of the ability to use older equipment due to driver issues and the danger of inability to access our precious archive of historical data. Computer manufacturers are always pushing the latest and greatest, but we have to worry about the consequences of being on the cutting edge...an edge which is much broader than the PC and software makers usually acknowledge.
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OpenOffice.org is more than a wannabe
lance.e.king@... 26th Mar 2008
I realize this was simply a side remark on your part, but OpenOffice.org is a useful software tool, and I use Writer (the word processor) on a regular basis. Particularly for the home user who doesn't have several hundred dollars to shell out, OpenOffice.org is stable, compatible with Word, Excel and Powerpoint, and has most of the features that people use every day.

You may be forgetting that at one time, MS Word might have been called a Wordperfect "wannabe". Contrary to what people might think, Microsoft did not invent the word processor. In many ways, WordPerfect is still arguable superior to MS Word despite having lost its dominance years ago.

And yes, OpenOffice.org also uses the ubiquitous floppy save button.
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Could Be Worse
MichP 26th Mar 2008
Could be an icon of a 5-1/2" disk.

I've still got a couple of 8" floppy disks. They were for one class in college, 20+ years ago.
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Ah yeah, I remember...
randysmith@... 26th Mar 2008
Yes, those 8" disks from years ago, back when "floppies" were really floppy! Our first commercial computers ran off those before there were inexpensive hard drives. Makes me seem REAL old now!
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Re. The Eternal Floppy Disk
w_c_mead 26th Mar 2008
Call me retro if you want, but my emphasis is on productivity, not change for change's sake. So...

1) I'm not too excited about 1 "obsolete" icon. Delete it if it bothers you.

2) I think some inertia in user interfaces can be a good thing. All too often, a user interface is torn apart and reassembled with no significant improvement, causing significant inconvenience (Microsoft please note!).

3) I still have several computers with floppy drives in them, and still use floppies for some simple file transfers. Not as often as I used to, but for a $15 device, I get my money's worth.

4) Have companies that release certain diagnostics or drivers on floppies made a transition to USB or other non-floppy storage? Last time I looked at Dell's offerings, it appeared that Dell still uses floppies for such distributions. It probably is time to move this kind of floppy application onto newer media.

Even I admit that the floppy drive does not need to be eternal!
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I see floppy drives in home systems all the time. And we only just started replacing systems with floppy drives in them with ones without in our company this year.

Just because you don't have, or don't use a floppy on your system doesn't mean the technology is dead, or even moribund.
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RE: The Eternal Floppy Disk: still in use!
Jim Johnson 26th Mar 2008
For whatever reason, I find myself actually using a 3.5" floppy about twice a year. Would I spec a floppy drive on a new PC? Heck no - but I will hang on to my USB floppy drive for the foreseeable future.

What's on those floppies? Last time it was to dredge up the original version of a legal document and the software used to create it (both on floppy), then convert the document to a modern data format for comparison to the current version of the same document.
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Some tools work...
mikifinaz1@... 26th Mar 2008
I don't often pull out my USB floppy but when I need it, I REALLY NEED IT. So, I think that the floppy will be around for awhile. It still has its uses. Let's face it: it still can hold a small file and fits into a pocket. Why, put a 46k file on a CD, which is harder to carry around and more fragile.
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Floppy can be a lifesaver
DNSB 26th Mar 2008
When my new DVD burner did it's auto-firmware update and glitched halfway through, the only way I found to revive the unit without having to send it for factory service was booting from a floppy and using a third party flash program to reprogram the original firmware. The shipping cost I was quoted to send the drive for service was over 65% of the original cost, if this hadn't worked, I was going to toss it.

The store where I purchased it took the attitude that since it was damaged by a firmware update, it wasn't their problem. This despite the LG installer automatically installing the updater as part of a standard install.
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Almost New PC with Floppy
slopoke 26th Mar 2008
I bought a Velocity Micro PC (2.13Ghx Core 2Duo)about a year ago and it came with a floppy drive. I've never used it as I migrated all my floppies to my hard drive years ago but it's there. In fact I just looked at Velocitiy's web site and their top of the line $6k gaming machine still comes with a floppy.
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I long to say "Good ridance"!
winddrift03 26th Mar 2008
I got rid of 750, 3 1/2 floppies 4 years ago. Most went bad, even though properly stored. Usb flash drives need to replace the floppy interface on motherboards. We shouldn't have to set it as an option to boot from one. Like floppies, it should just be standard. And let's finally get rid of serial and parallel ports. Your old printers and scanners were killed off by WinXP anyway.
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I don't agree that floppy, parallel and serial interfaces should be stripped from mobo support. I think there were several comments that reflect lots of people who don't toss old stuff just because something exists. I would not buy a computer without all those interfaces available.
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they are like...
winddrift03 27th Mar 2008
They are like an appendix, un-needed and useless, at least to the majority of user. Or should we still have RLL controllers and slots for cache chips? How about a VESA slot. Serial connection are, yes, still used in certain business environments, but why saddle my pc with useless hardware? I'd rather have extra usb ports and eSATA. If a serial port is actually needed, buy an add-in card and free the motherboard for inovative add ons.
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Add-in cards
Hotshot3000 28th Mar 2008
It's a lot easier and cheaper to add a USB hub these days that to find a serial port add-in card and get it working these days. Besides, extra USB and eSATA ports usually get added in back, where they are not all that easily accessed. A hub makes access much easier.
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USB - serial
jred 11th Jun 2008
I just picked up a couple for $10 each. I wonder when routers are going to start putting USB consoles in...
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XP supports some parallel printers
Hotshot3000 28th Mar 2008
I have occasion to print labels with an old Panasonic KX-P-1124 dot matrix parallel printer. I do it with a computer running WinXP, so XP did not kill off the parallel port.
It appears that just because many people don't have a use for something, they think no one else does. Thank goodness we didn't kill off the floppy in favor of CDs before the thumb drive came out. But many people claimed that the CD would replace floppies. I would rather trust a floppy for small files any day over a CD.
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As I recall it the floppy icon didn't actually come into wide use until after the floppy had been mostly supplanted by the hard drive. I think that it is our mental image of saving files. A picture of a hard drive wouldn't be the same, usb flash drives come in too many various shapes, and no one saves things to CDs/DVDs (they may back up onto them but they are used in a much different manner).
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How old??
Doo3 26th Mar 2008
Good reminder to copy data from my 2.5? floppies!
I don?t remember what is on all my 8? and 5.25? floppies! (sitting on top of the box of keypunch cards - including the set of drum cards I used.) I almost certainly would not need anything from them.
Fear not, I won?t make a push for hollerith card reader support (or however you spel that).
How many readers here used key punches
or paper tape with a Teletype ASR33?

I do want to save data from the 3.5? ones though; If something dies I would not want to rebuy a floppy drive.

1982 ?!
When did the 8? and 5.25? floppies show up and when did the 3.5? floppy start? The article mentioned 82 like it was the start of 3.5?. I would have thought much later.
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I realize most of the world is done with the floppy disk, but, there always has to be an exception, right? Every time I send a two-way radio to a certain GIANT communications corporation for repair, I also send a 3.5" disk containing a copy of the unit's most recent programming. It's a procedure that dates back ~ 15 years. Some things never change!
I don't know about vista, but do a full backup in xp and the 1st thing it tells you is that "you're going to need a blank floppy". Come on MS, what's up with that???
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My Sony FD73 camera uses floppy disks and
pennatomcat 31st Mar 2008
yes, I can still access 5 1/4 disks if necessary!
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Yep, I can, too, if necessary...
paladin@... 4th Jun 2008
... using an ancient (in computer years) Teac dual 5 1/4" - 3 1/2" drive mounted in an equally aged homebuilt 450 MHz machine on my home computer network. It's mainly used as a print server to an old laser printer (whose proprietary interface card requires an ISA slot). Haven't actually accessed a 5 1/4" disk in some time, or 3 1/2", for that matter, but both printer and computer work, so I see no reason to toss 'em for something new.
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The Floppy Disk is just a youngster compared with the eternal Cc: and Bcc: that we use every few minutes of our e-mail existence.

I just had to explain to a college student who spammed everyone on a mail list that he should be using the Bcc: option and he said "what the heck is Bcc anyway".

I found myself telling him about typewriters and the glory days of carbon paper and typing pools. He looked at me real weird! Then we got onto the origins of the QWERTY keyboard.

Compared to all that stuff your floppy disk icon is a mere whippersnapper. happy
Hey, signs for washrooms still depict a woman wearing a big triangular skirt, even though women are just as likely to be wearing pants.

It's just a symbol that we recognize, a visual cue that represents an idea.

If icons changed with every passing fancy, they would cease to be of value, because we'd have to relearn things rather than just get to work or play.

An icon takes up less space than spelling out "save" or what-have-you.
What about push-down radio buttons? They were obsolete before the floppy disk was even invented, but every developer, web designer or UI guru still uses the concept.
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I noticed that in the cloud era the saving option by pressing Ctrl+S is a the same necessity as it was in the era of coaxial cable.

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