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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

AMD doesn't like stickers on notebooks - Intel stickers that is

By | September 3, 2010, 4:00am PDT

Yesterday David Pogue of the New York Times blogged about how AMD aren’t all that keen on those stickers that are plastered onto notebooks, and want to phase out the use of stickers altogether. But I think there’s more to this move than meets the eye.

Here’s a little of what Pogue had to say:

The bizarre thing is that computer companies are trying to make their laptops beautiful these days. A.M.D. reps showed me, for example, a gorgeous new Hewlett-Packard ultralight laptop. Sleek. Shiny. Elegant. Yet grubbed up with a fruit salad of tasteless, competing stickers.

As A.M.D. points out, it’s like buying a new, luxury car — and discovering that it comes with nonremovable bumper stickers that promote the motor oil, the floor mat maker, the windshield-fluid company and the pine tree air freshener you have no intention of ever using.

According to Pogue, AMD want to first introduce an easy-peel sticker in 2011, and then will consider eliminating stickers altogether.

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But there’s more going on here than making your notebook look pretty. What AMD is doing here is trying to start a public debate about stickers on PCs because of a certain kind of sticker that AMD don’t like to see on so many systems these days. The Intel sticker.

This is the sticker that AMD really wants to see gone, because you come across them far more often then you come across AMD stickers. Intel has a much larger market share than AMD does, and that means more Intel stickers in people’s view more of the time.

Stickers aren’t pointless, and the idea that AMD thinks that is crazy. AMD realizes that is has a smaller market share than Intel does, knows that it doesn’t have the same marketing budget, so is turning trying to appeal to people’s sense of style in order to try to get rid of them. After all, if AMD wants to pave the way in actually getting rid of stickers on notebooks and PCs, then why not just stop making them and giving them to OEMs to slap onto systems right now?

My guess, and it’s just a guess mind you, is that AMD has no intention of phasing out stickers. If anything, now that AMD has ditched the ATI brand altogether, you’re probably going to be seeing an extra sticker on systems you buy - the AMD sticker, which will more than likely be slapped right alongside the Intel sticker. It might be an easy-peel sticker, but I bet AMD hopes that you don’t peel it off.

These stickers are just another example of things that we have to get used to (or used to dealing with) these days. Everything is branded. Stuff costs more than it used to. Young people use curse words.

Oh, and by the way. It doesn’t take 20 minutes to remove the sticker residue like Pogue says it does. Yank the sticker off, apply a small dab of WD40, baby oil, orange oil, rubbing alcohol or Goo Gone (I prefer baby oil since it never seems to damage the finish) and wipe the mess away. Easy.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

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RE: AMD doesn't like stickers on notebooks - Intel stickers that it
ssaha 6th Sep 2010
@Jaytmoon Except that Apple doesn't slap those "Intel inside" stickers on their computers. Apple sells computers on the strength of the package, not like HP or Dell, as a collection of parts put together for the customer that just hopes they work together.
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Removing Stickers
Frihet 3rd Sep 2010
I recently installed Ubuntu on 131 laptops for a client. The machines had the usual Intel and MS stickers on them. Getting the MS stickers off was important to me. I found that all I had to do was peel them off and press them back on to the glue patch a few times. All the glue adhered to the sticker, leaving a clean machine. No Goo Gone required. I removed the Intel stickers in the same way.
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Good to see money well spent
NonZealot Updated - 3rd Sep 2010
@Frihet
I recently installed Ubuntu on 131 laptops for a client.
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Getting the MS stickers off was important to me.

Well, as long as you were spending your client's time wisely. Can I get your name? I want to make sure that we never hire you.
@NonZealot

And if the client requested Ubuntu?

I have no idea what the full story with this person and their client is. Perhaps their a zealot for Ubuntu. Removing the Intel sticker doesn't make much sense to me unless it is one of those "Designed for" or "Optimized for" stickers that again refers to MS Windows. If I had a client request Ubuntu on a system, I would consider removing those stickers too. Of course, it is possible that I would just make a habit of removing all those stickers... just like some companies offer a service to remove all the bloatware that comes on your new HP/Dell/etc computer. As it is, I install and work on Windows. But if their client requested Ubuntu and they did a good job cleaning up the computer, then isn't just the sort of person you want managing your computers? I mean, I have done jobs where I found a mess of networking cables and by the time I left I have pulled half the cables out because it turned out neither end where plugged into anything. Power cords. Parallel printer cables when they are now using a USB printer. All sorts of stuff just cluttering things up. So, while we are quick to dismiss this person as an obsessive Ubuntu nut, which they might be, I would rather like to know more before making any judgement here. It could be that they are just a "clean freak."
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Nothing to do with Ubuntu
NonZealot 3rd Sep 2010
And if the client requested Ubuntu?

I presume the client DID request Ubuntu or Frihet is even more incompetent than I currently think he / she is!!

I was talking about wasting the client's time removing the stickers. Look at how Frihet phrased it:
Getting the MS stickers off was important to me.

Had the customer requested that the stickers be removed, Frihet would not have phrased it that way.

Ubuntu is a fine OS. The only thing wrong with Ubuntu is that it is marketed even more poorly than the Zune!
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RE: AMD doesn't like stickers on notebooks - Intel stickers that it
jurgislasevicius@... Updated - 3rd Sep 2010
@NonZealot

Just to level off the playing field here, could I/we get the name of your company so that I/we will never do business with you at all as well. What Frihet did I would be willing to pay double for that. I personally hate stickers of all sorts not just on computer equipment, and that's what I do in my/our business surpisiningly enough we spend very little on "advertising" and are doing very nicely for ourselves I'd say that 99% of our advertising is by word of mouth, because we take pride in our work, understand what the customer/client wants and get it right the first time. So I'd say Intel is advertising because of their poor quality products.
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@jurgislasevicius: you misunderstood
NonZealot 3rd Sep 2010
What Frihet did I would be willing to pay double for that.

If the customer requested it, that would be fine. Frihet made it clear that he did this because it was important to him. He made his customer pay for his bias. That is unforgivable.

could I/we get the name of your company so that I/we will never do business with you at all as well

And something tells me that you couldn't afford the services we offer. No, they have nothing to do with information technology. happy
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@NonZealot Right, your services might be unaforadable because its overinflated/overpriced junk which nobody would want anway, unless you are trying to sell your products to individuals who have cabbages for heads, don't think for themselves and never have, also if you are not in the IT business what are you doing on a forum like this? Trying to peddel your low quality merchendise like an old smouse or gypsy? Wares like yours should come with warning stickers then and here is an example, which you are free to use on every single bit of packaging of your products "Junk Inside"
@NonZealot
NonZealot, you're missing one important point here, Frihet is doing exactly the right thing by removing the Microsoft stickers, as there is no Microsoft operating system in them, just Ubuntu. If he's supporting a bunch of Ubuntu machines, then the last thing he needs is a bunch of calls from any of the client's employees asking why their laptop has Ubuntu on it, when the sticker says it comes with Windows on it. Removing the Intel stickers is unnecessary, but since you're there removing the Microsoft ones anyways, you might as well remove those too.
@NonZealot

At least they will not be confused by seeing ms windows stickers and using Linux, definitely worth the time and effort in unnecessary help desk calls. I'd hire him/her straight away as they are thinking the whole process through!
@NonZealot

I agree with you that peeling the Windows stickers just for "religious" reasons - without consulting the customer - would be bad. What if the customer fires the consultant because the customer relizes in the end that he/she doesn't want Ubuntu? Where would be the license number?

I don't know about Frihet's case to comment specifically, but have seen some consultants "impose" their religion on the customer. We are currently a Microsoft shop using SQL Server and .NET, and everything is working OK - but some have suggested that we have to rip off everything and go to PHP, MySQL and some obscure programming language. I sincerely hope they don't convince management and have us redo everything from square one...
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AMD is singular
Economister Updated - 3rd Sep 2010
AMD isn't.......

For some reason several writers seem to think of corporations as "they", but it corporations are single entities, hence "it".

It was correct in the title: "doesn't".
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@Economister: In most of the world's English-speaking countries, the use of the plural is correct. Collective nouns take plural verbs in the Commonwealth countries, for example. I'm not sure where, outside America, the singular is required.

An internationally-published author (especially one with a name like Adrian Kingsley-Hughes) might well be other than American. We don't write the world's rules for the English language, fortunately.
@geoffrey.langlois@... And what is a collective noun? Team? Company? Those are single entities. They have a single legal organization and represent only the company as a whole, not the members or employees. The "commonwealth" countries are the ones with the problem of English language.
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This is ridiculous...
lenohere 3rd Sep 2010
AMD wants all the stickers removed because they cannot compete with Intel. Using that analogy, Why doesnt GM do the same and try to get Toyota to remove the labels off of their cars? Another reason why I never will use AMD and now ATI/AMD graphics cards.
@lenohere I recently bought a new car, AND I did require them to remove the car yard vendor sticker from the back window.
The stickers don't bother me and I prefer intel anyway. But if AMD really wants to make a difference, how about getting computer vendors to stop installing all the da*n crapware that they put on the machines! Peeling a sticker off that I may not like is a heII of a lot easier to do than it is to get rid of all the crapware.
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Stickers?
PierreCardell 3rd Sep 2010
What are stickers? Oh sorry, I forgot I'm a Mac user.
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Re: Stickers?
smartkartik@... 3rd Sep 2010
@PierreCardell Oh, so you pay some $200-$300 more just so the sticker isn't there? So smart of you!
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@PierreCardell
Don't be a pompous fool, Apple includes 2 stickers with every Apple hardware purchase. I have 4 of them. I stuck them at the bottom of my toilet bowl so I can show Apple what I think of it every day.
@NonZealot
So your are an Apple hater like us folks, but still have 4 products from them???
You're oh-so-confused!!!
Stop antagonizing people and trying to start arguments!!!
peace out.. \ /
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And btw
NonZealot 3rd Sep 2010
@PierreCardell
Responses like yours are why people hate Apple users. People like you are why I apologize when it comes out that I own a Mac because I need to make it clear that I'm not like those other jack@ss Apple users that we've all had the displeasure of meeting.
@NonZealot

Stickers, bloatware, etc. all these annoyances are HOW PC makers get their prices low. The companies pay the manufacturers to put this type of stuff on your new pc.

Is it easy to get rid of. Sure. But that does not change the fact, it is a hidden expense of either your time to remove them, or your enjoyment of the machine if they bother you.
@PierreCardell

Apple does have stickers too, the difference being they are not "pre-installed". Apple gives the user the choice of "installing" the stickers if and when and wherever the user wants. (one of the few places Apple gives the user the choice)
I don't mind the stickers. In some ways they can be helpful when trying to figure out what type of hardware is installed on the machine.
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You must be high
justanotherdude 3rd Sep 2010
How did you twist AMD reacting to their consumers wants into trying to get rid of Intel stickers? As if anyone (AMD included) thinks that's even a possibility with Intel's deep marketing pockets. Seriously? Did you think about this before you wrote it? I'm only more surprised that some sheep would just assume you're right about AMD's motives rather than think about this for 5 seconds. One look at your own survey shows that folks DON'T like stickers and they DO peel them off. So tell me again how AMD is doing anything other than giving the market what it wants. This is such a minor item and you've tried to turn it into some kind of covert operation.
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Stickers are w/e
Jimster480 3rd Sep 2010
It doesnt really matter if there are stickers on a laptop. I have them on my laptop and I didn't peel them off. Although I have way too many stickers IMO, between one for Windows 7, to one that tells you about the LED screen, one that tells you about the Radeon 4650, one that tells you about HP Harddrive locking protection, another big one that tells you about how it has a remote that makes it easier to watch media, and how it has mediasmart software for easily managing your media. Then a warning sticker about the keyboard, and a AMD Ultimate Vision sticker that describes the package in the machine. And another sticker for SRS Premium sound, and one for Alten Lansing speakers.
YA thats how many stickers are on my laptop. I think if it just had a Vision and Windows 7 sticker it would be better, but i cba to pull off all these stickers.
Yes they can be ugly like bumper stickers. Some fan-boys do like them & may plaster all over their case to show off what is inside. I have has several (includibng AMD) pc components where the sticker was included with the packaging, but not installed on the machine or component.

I would not mind if the PC manufactures would plaster all that whats inside stuff on the packaging, but not on the actual machine.

The HP, DELL, ACER or whatever MFG logo is enough, I don't need one for the OS, one for the processor, one the the video, one for the lan, one for who made the rubber feet & so on plastered all over the machine (unless I am into that kind of thing!)
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These stickers are advertisemnets. Simply send the owners of said "permenant stickers" a bill for it advertising on YOUR private product. That'll make the "advert owners" install removable stickers. It's then your choice to keep said stickers or not.
It IS nice to know what processor is installed on a laptop so you can dl the correct drivers with fewer problems. I charge more when working on celeron systems mainly due to the inherant time wasted waiting for processes to complete...
Mac's are now intel processors so get over that "Oh I'm a Mac' trash!
@Jaytmoon Except that Apple doesn't slap those "Intel inside" stickers on their computers. Apple sells computers on the strength of the package, not like HP or Dell, as a collection of parts put together for the customer that just hopes they work together.
Actually, the stickers promote the engine (present on cars), the dealer stamp (sometimes- also on cars), and then the wheels on the car (present on the tires).
Not all that much different- I like to see that my car has a powerful engine and tires that can use that power.
As most PC home builders know the stickers are only good until you replace that motherboard, video or whatever with another brand. Intel inside lies because now its an AMD inside.
So AMD is being hypocritical. That's news?
You need the stickers just to make sure it does'nt have intel graphics inside! Which make the laptop worthless.
Solution: AMD should come out with a better version to the Atom processor. Then make such a Kool sticker that No one would want to remove. Keep ATI name plate (more stickers for them). And lastly, use glue that makes removal of AMD approved stickers imposable! Heck, AMD should go on a campaign and give away their stickers to covers up Intel?s. (That would make for a good TV spot!)
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They have several alternates
Joe_Raby 6th Sep 2010
@bobmatch@...

All of the Neo-class processors compete with Atom as well as the Intel SU-class processors. They are SU-class speed, with a price point that's closer to the Atom.
It's probably true that AMD doesn't want there to be any more Intel stickers on laptops, but that's something they've been very consistent on for years. They always stated that Intel shouldn't stand out on the machines any more than any of the other component makers, like hard drive makers, video graphics makers, memory makers, etc. Why should a CPU be highlighted anyways?
This is such a Biased post!!!
Just look at your own poll, Mr. Kingsley-Hughes.
I really don't mind as long as there are only 1 or 2 instead of a whole bunch. Some people even like stickers, as they are proud of what's inside their computer. I know of a person who put Ubuntu on his computer to show off his OS, and a lot of components you buy for computers have stickers you can put on your case.

Yes, some people are actually proud to show off the brands they use.

In particular as a gamer, I look for the nVidia or ATI sticker on laptops, as they tend to indicate a machine adequate for gaming.

But I guess to each his own. As long as the computer doesn't really look as plastered as a NASCAR car, I don't mind.
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Sticker Define a Standard
alan_r_cam 4th Sep 2010
Do you want USB 2.0 on your laptop? Would you scream if you only got USB 1.1?

Stickers help define a standard - up to a point. So long as an explanation of the stickers is available at the sale point, I'm in favor of stickers on demo models. After that, the argument goes that ANY laptop could be unboxed and work as a display model. So they all need stickers / labels.

Me? I'd just like to find a laptop that matches MY specifications. Yeah, right - like that would happen...
My view of the stickers is the same view I have about clothes with logos on them.
It's free advertisement for a company. (and most often people pay extra to advertise) If they want me to advertise, pay me. I have no reason or desire to be a mobile billboard.
A manufacturers logo on the item is one thing, stickers with the component makers logo is another and come right off.
You don't see ram, chipset, or other component makers logos plastered on the case.
If I buy a car it has the car makers name on it, It doesn't have champion spark plugs, quaker state oil, dunlop tire, fram filter stickers on it.
Let Intel, AMD, and Microsoft pay for their own advertisments. I don't care to do it for free.
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Sticker Shock
FiOS-Dave 4th Sep 2010
Why not give the buyers an envelope with all the stickers and let them decide whether or not to use them? Whenever I buy a new car I always ask the dealership to remove all "advertising." They will replace the license plate frame(s) with generics, if you insist!
These stickers are stupid and shouldn't be put on the machines in the first place. On my Gateway laptop, there were like.... 20 of them on the bottom, top and below the keyboard when I bought it.

Took me FOREVER to get rid of all of those things, and finally had to use some 'Goo be gone' to remove the leavings from 3 of them.
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The small ones are ok
Daniel Breslauer 5th Sep 2010
It's the big, huge, commercial ones often found on consumer laptops that really bug me. Like on HP Pavilions, the sticker that covers the entire (!!) front left side next to the touchpad telling you about the wonderful remote control, or the huge MSI sticker on their netbooks telling you it has a webcam, it has a certain-size screen, it has a keyboard, and it has WiFi.

The Energy Star sticker is also annoying since it's useless and worthless (discussed some time ago).

But the Intel one I do like, and the Windows one - I don't really care.
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I like them
Cylon Centurion 5th Sep 2010
I have some on my laptop (AMD and ATI) and on my desktop that I purchased off ebay (Windows 7, AMD, and an ASUS sticker)
Intel are better at processors than AMD, and there are more of them. AMD are hoping to simply remove all Intel advertising, and perhaps trick a few people into thinking there's an Intel processor inside the inferior AMD notebook. That's all this is about.
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Our stickers are for marketing also
Joe_Raby 6th Sep 2010
We offer USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gbps on all of our desktops, which wouldn't be the case if we used Intel motherboards.

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