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Apple leads the pack for ballooning bug count

By Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | July 12, 2010, 5:22am PDT

Being in the lead is not always a good thing. Apple takes number one stop for the most bugs found in all of its products during the first half of 2010, ahead of Oracle, and Microsoft, according to Secunia [PDF].

Secunia is also seeing a big shift in security threats, with the emphasis moving from the operating system to vulnerabilities in third-party applications. One example that Secunia cites is that a typical end-user PC with 50 programs installed will be faced with 3.5 times more security bugs in the 24 third party programs running on their systems than in the 26 Microsoft programs installed. Secunia expects this ratio to increase to 4.4 in 2010.

Patching is also getting more complex, with 13 software update mechanisms running on each PC.

But back to Apple, and how it has taken the top spot from Oracle.

Figure 2 visualizes the dynamics in the Top-10 group and indicates that popular vendors are also subject to more scrutiny by the security community/researchers than less popular vendors; Oracle (including
Sun Microsystems and BEA Logic) ranked #1 in four out of five years overtaken by Apple in the first half of 2010, with Apple consistently ranking higher than Microsoft. Despite increased investments into the
security of their products, none of the seven vendors who occupied the Top-10 group in 2005 as well as in 2010 managed to decrease the number of vulnerabilities discovered in their products. On the contrary, the vulnerability count of each of these seven vendors has increased to reach in 2009 between 136% and 440% of the 2005 count.

In other words, they all get a “could do better” on their report card.

The culprits are as follows:

Apple - (iTunes, Quicktime)
Microsoft - (Windows, Internet Explorer)
Sun Microsystems - (Java, now part of Oracle)
Adobe - (Acrobat Reader, Flash)

And if you’re not already thoroughly depressed, here are some more stats. Between 2007 to 2009 the number of vulnerabilities affecting a typical PC nearly doubled, going from 220 to 420. But it’s set to get worse, with Secunia predicting that the number will almost double again to reach 760 for 2010 as a whole.

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James Quinn 23rd Jul 2010

What of the metrics? Are we assuming that one OS has more bugs/flaws than another? Are we assuming that each OS has the same amount? Are we assuming that MS has better coders than Apple? Or vice versa? Or do we assume they are equal? Do we know the size and makeup/budget of each companies teams? My point being we just don't know do we? The amount of bugs could mean that Apple has more bugs or it could mean Apple has better coders? It could mean MS has less bugs or the guys in India are not up to snuff? Perhaps Apple's OS has fewer bugs over all but Apple has far superior methods and people in place to find them? Or again vice versa? We just don't know do we? So if we don't know then this report means little.

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Makes sense

Cylon Centurion 12th Jul 2010

The more you put into a specific piece of software, it's only natural that the list of vulnerabilities will go up. Except for Apple software. Because we all know Apple is immune to such things. Oh wait...

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DeusExMachina 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker
Troll.

Predictably.

Congratulations.

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Did I hit a nerve?

Cylon Centurion 12th Jul 2010

@DeusExMachina

I'm only telling the truth. Apple seems to think they are above such things. Look no further than the "Get a Mac" ads of the past few years. The smugness shines bright there.

But it is only natural for the number of potential vulnerabilities go up as you add more features to a specific piece of software. That's true to Apple, Microsoft, and anyone else writing software.

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DeusExMachina 12th Jul 2010

NS
Please look up the defiintion of "troll" and explain how it does not apply.

And while you're at it, you might want to try reading the actual paper, as it does NOT say what AKH claims it does. He is cherry picking, and ignoring counter comments in the same paper. As per his usual.

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Excellent post

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker
You can tell because you got the Apple apologist all in a tizzy! happy

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OracleOfReason 13th Jul 2010

@NonZealot

Or caused the brainless Zealots to smile.

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But, if that's true...

trickytom2 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker Shouldn't Microsoft be #1 on the list? After all, they sell WAY more software products than Apple, both in terms of licenses and variety.

So, Microsoft has fewer bugs over a larger field of use? Interesting.

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Interesting indeed

Cylon Centurion 12th Jul 2010

@trickytom2

I wonder who has the better coders then. Or who pays more attention to their products.

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Pastafarian_FSM Updated - 13th Jul 2010

@trickytom2
LoveCock Davidson has been quiet for a while, and Nstalnecker seems to have come to the fore. Could he be LoveCock in disguise???

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MSFTWorshipper 16th Jul 2010

@trickytom2 Microsoft got the heat on this issue 10 years ago and has been improving ever since. Apple just is lazily coasting along...

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How have macs fared over this

arminw 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker -- same time period? How many newly infected Macs are there in the world compared to newly infected Windows machines? That is the only statistic that would really matter. Another way of asking the question is this: What is the probability of a Mac OS 10.6 system not protected by any sort of antivirus software getting some nasty software installed on it? How does this compare with the chance of a similarly unprotected Windows 7 computer getting infected?

My experience has been that I get at least 100 times as many attempts at infecting a Windows machine than the Mac. At least this is true judging by the number of malware attempts I get in my e-mail junk box.

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notsofast 12th Jul 2010

@arminw
Of course you do. Why would I spend resources attacking macs (with less than 10% market share worldwide), when I can attack Windows with 90% market share?

It's a numbers game. It's the same as the old telemarketers who called you up trying to sell you a free vacation. The entire pitch was ridiculous (as was the "free" vacation), but eventually they found a sucker. Then another and another.

What's more, there are more tools to exploit Windows than Apple (see putting resources where the people are).

Every year, the attacks against Macs get more sophisticated. They're following a trend that's not unlike the attacks against Windows in the 90's...we're now up to around 2000 or so.....in short, we're still in the proof of concept stage.

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Pederson 12th Jul 2010

@arminw - No, it has nothing to do with market share, it's all about the Mac cannot be attacked from the outside since it's built on a far more battled tested OS called BSD UNIX. Windows will always be weak since it was never designed to be on worldwide networks.

OSX remains the gold standard for security, that's why most computer professionals now use Macs and not Windows.

So you'll get a Mac someday and see why it's so highly valued, but until then, you're probably going to be stuck with the far less secure, Windows.

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OracleOfReason 13th Jul 2010

@arminw

The market share argument is so BUGUS from so many different angles. First and foremost, marketshare might explain if there were 400K Windows viruses and 40K Mac viruses or even 4K Mac viruses but ZERO Mac viruses??

Even then Mac OS 9 had 35K known viruses with a much much smaller market share than Mac OS X.

Take a look on the IOS side. What are the comparisons of viruses for IOS compared to Android. IOS has a much larger market share but Android has the malware.

Lastly Mac users tend to be more affluent than Windows users so that there is more to steal. mac run the number one e-commerce site on the web, a very attractive target. In addition any virus writer would want to be the first to successfully attack the Mac.

If you think, and I use the term loosely here, the dearth of viruses for the Mac OS is because of market share, you, like Mr. Hughes, have earned the right to be Windows users.

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eddzpc@... 13th Jul 2010

@arminw What kind of idiot (or iDiot if you have a mac) goes online with an unprotected machine?

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phil8192 13th Jul 2010

@arminw -- I can't claim to own or run a Mac, but I do run Linux machines. It's interesting and a bit unnerving to watch an attack in progress on one's machine while visiting some Web sites. Fortunately, all one needs to do on Linux machines is open the System Monitor and kill the offending process, sort of like squashing a pesky mosquito on your arm. I expect the procedure is just as trivial on a Mac.

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mrfusion2k 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker Read the Report in full before you post!

A full read of this article states the problems on PC's using WinOS. This is not about Mac OS X or Linux. The applications from Apple are Safari, Quicktime and iTunes. Any software written using MS API's will suffer similar vulnerabilities.
From page 10 of the report:
Typical Software Portfolio & Operating System
We first examine the number of vulnerabilities of this Top-50 software portfolio together with the operating system, namely Windows XP and Windows Vista. Windows 7, released in October 2009, is excluded as we have no full year of data yet.

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phil8192 13th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker -- Does Apple seem to think they are above such things, or is it their fan base? When it comes to companies and their products, there is usually plenty of blame to go around. No one wants to admit they're selling a poor product; few want to admit that they chose and purchased a poor product.

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apple getting too big too fast?

mgllearning@... 12th Jul 2010

Is Apple doing too many products? Their innovations doesn't see to leap forward as much. My newly purchased Macbook Pro is crashing more than any of my previous Macbooks and iMacs. On another note, funny how Apple is leading the pack in bugs....ahead of Adobe.

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I recommend Windows 7 on the MBP

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

@mgllearning@...
My newly purchased Macbook Pro is crashing more than any of my previous Macbooks and iMacs.

OS X is truly a terrible OS. I tried it for about a month, truly tried to see what the fuss was about, but crash after crash after crash was just too much for me. One Windows 7 install later, and my MBP went from being the worst laptop I've ever had to the best.

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HypnoToad72 12th Jul 2010

@NonZealot -

I wonder if your new MBP is overheating - the 2010 17" model in particular has a major overheating problem. For the cost Apple products command, one would assume they go through vigorous QC on top of choosing quality parts. As the last year has shown, assumptions based on price are not good to make. sad

Oh, I put Win7 on my MBP as well. Especially after reading:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/web-video-showdown-flash-vs-quicktime-vs-windows-media/13176

Jobs can put on his platform what he wants, but to spin and twist reality has been proven - as shown on that link, and others.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/youtube-html5-does-not-yet-meet-all-of-our-needs/8809?tag=content;search-results-rivers

http://blogs.gartner.com/ray_valdes/2010/02/10/html5-and-flash/

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_flash_surprising_results_of_new_tests.php

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/web-video-showdown-flash-vs-quicktime-vs-windows-media/13176

http://www.pcworld.com/article/194318/apple_locks_iphone_developers_in_its_walled_garden.html

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=17365
(How much money a typical iPhone developer makes - content within is incredible)

Blast from the past, Apple trying to manipulate Java out of the market:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sprague/archive/2007/01/18/java.aspx

http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/pwn2own-2010-mac-isnt-more-secure/2010-03-26

and

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Think-Vista-Is-Insecure-Have-You-Looked-at-Mac-OS-X-Lately-76848.shtml

Not to forget, an iPhone SMS data can be extracted in 20 seconds by a malicious web site. (I'd feel safer to re-jailbreak mine and put the firewall back on...)

The more I read, the more my gut instinct Apple really does sell via customers' naivety.

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DeusExMachina Updated - 12th Jul 2010

@NonZealot
Considering that I have disproved the vast majority of your ill-informed statement about OSX REPEATEDLY in the past, it is quite clear that you have NO position from which to speak.
Your other statements on other topics make it quite clear that you really don't have a firm grounding on any subject, making you opinion worse than worthless.

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@hypno: could be I guess

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

It might be overheating although my MBP is a 2009 13" model. Odd that it doesn't overheat when running Windows 7 though. Dunno. Don't care. Tried OS X. Hated it. Haven't given it much thought since then. happy

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@DeusIsAnAngryVeinThrobbingAppleApologist

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

Considering that I have disproved the vast majority of your ill-informed statement about OSX REPEATEDLY

Okay tough guy, prove that OS X doesn't crash on my MBP.

Ready?
Set?
GO!!!!

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thofts 12th Jul 2010

@NonZealot What are you running it on, a Commodore 64 ?? I have it on an imac and a MacBook and neither one of them has ever, ever crashed.

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@thofts: I'm not alone

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

http://www.bing.com/search?setmkt=en-CA&q=osx+crash

Apparently, I'm not alone. I think it is fantastic that you believe OS X to be perfect. Maybe if I was using OS X on your computer, it wouldn't crash for me either. That still wouldn't solve all the usability problems that OS X suffers from.

In the end, I can only use OS X on my MacBook Pro, not yours. On my MBP, OS X crashes non stop and Windows 7 is rock solid. Windows 7 is the more usable OS anyway so the extra stability I get is just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. happy

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DeusExMachina Updated - 12th Jul 2010

@NonZealot

Who said it never crashes? If it crashed continually, then you should take it to someone who actually knows what they are doing (clearly not do you, as you are ignorant by all the evidence) to sort out your problem.

And since you claim to never run OSX on your MBP, I think that is enough of a proof right there.

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DeusExMachina Updated - 12th Jul 2010

@HypnoToad

Your linked citations merely serve to prove that you don't understand what you are reading.
A script trojan that installs a bogus crontab?!? Really, that's the best you can do for OSX malware?!?

And jobs is right about Java.
But please, make a list of popular software written in Java.

(Patiently waiting for your to make certain you ineptitude by posting scheit about JavaScript.)

Hahaha

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@DeusLovesSteveJobs: Links please!!!

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

And since you claim to never run OSX on your MBP, I think that is enough of a proof right there

I have always claimed that I tried OS X when I first got my MBP but when it proved to be an epic fail, I moved on to a better OS.

But if you have links post September 2009 where I claim that I've never run OS X, I'd love to see them! If you can't provide them, I'll have to call you a poopy head liar. happy

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jf79 12th Jul 2010

@NonZealot
Wow, if you can make OS X crash like what you say, perhaps you should just give up on life and kill yourself. Seriously, OS X is significantly more stable.

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Wow, you Apple apologists are NASTY!!!

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

So anyone having problems with OS X should kill themselves instead of finding a better alternative like Windows? You are NASTY!!! happy

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jologskidoo 12th Jul 2010

@NonZealot
I don't know whats going on with you MBP. I guess you need to re-install the OS. I do have a MBP and installed windows 7 as well. Windows run very fast in my MBP unlike my PC. However, situation in the windows side is still the same. I opened an email in windows and silly me, i got a lot of pop ups once I opened the attachment. i thought to open the same email in OSX but nothing happened. I guess Microsoft did a good job creating windows 7 but pirates are getting much better as well. Don't know, but I love OSX.

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vkohli@... 12th Jul 2010

@NonZealot

Totally with you on this. Being an IT Admin, I have dealt with all Mac systems from their PowerBooks to the latest MacBook Pro's and iPads.

The Most stable being the PowerBooks, Followed by the First Gen MacBook Pro's. i still have these running without problems...

Lately we bought the Newer Generation MacBook Pro's (30 in US and about the same # in Europe).

About 50% of those depicted Hardware Failure, OS Crashes to the Extent that Apple had to replace parts left and right... and in some cases we've also had some folks who have had multiple HW failures on the same system the max being 3 times on a single system.
Thats not all, the batteries on some of them started Swelling and are about 1.5 to double their size... When we asked apple to replace those, they said you'd have to buy new ones happy

Well, after a few months of long exchange of Mails, Phone calls, with Sr. Management @ Apple, we had a total of 2 Units totally replaced.

My 2 Cents: Don't buy Apple Hardware if all you want to run is Windows... and if you buy it in any case, spend a couple 100 extra $$ to get the Apple Care, else be prepared to spend for any fixes beyond an Year.

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@jf79 LOL...Dude, Apple is REALLY not that cool. Seek professional help.

SonofaSailor 12th Jul 2010

@jf79

OK, so the choice is either run OS X and live with it, or "give up on life and kill yourself"??? nevermind kool aid...I have tried alot of mind altering substances in my time, but I'm damn glad I didn't drop that blotter!

That kind of statement makes us linux fans look like Warren Buffet.

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OracleOfReason Updated - 13th Jul 2010

@NonZealot

Liar. I don't believe you. I think from your posts you are a 14-15 year old boy with limited understanding of how computers works other than at the user interface level.

You seem to write nonsense and think other will take it as the gospel. I am the CEO of a high speed wireless Internet access company. Macs make up of 27% of our user base but Windows comprise 96.7% of our trouble calls. We are forced to support all machines. But comping Windows 7's stability to Mac OS X, to quote Chris Rock, "is just ignant."

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Cylon Centurion 12th Jul 2010

@mgllearning@... Apple software on Windows is no better. iTunes for Windows = poo. Almost ties in crashes per hour with Google Earth.

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DeusExMachina 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker
what a load of bull. If iTunes is crashing that often, you have serious system issues unrelated to iTunes. iTunes has a HUGE installed based that does NOT complain of these issues. In surveys, when asked, people routinely cite iTunes as one of the reasons they buy iPods, and why they are the number one PMP.
I have used the Windows version on numerous occasions, and have yet to crash a single time. What does that say about the viability of your system?

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It's okay, just use different software to manage your iPod/iPhone/iPad

NonZealot 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker
Oh. Right. You can't. Have you considered maybe switching to a Mac and using OS X? That is Apple's suggested approach for any problems you might be having with iTunes under Windows.

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rengek 12th Jul 2010

@DeusExMachina
what a load of bull. If iTunes is crashing that often, you have serious system issues unrelated to iTunes. iTunes has a HUGE installed based that does NOT complain of these issues.
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Oh wow that sounds just like FLASH with all the whiney apple users crying that it crashes their macs.

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Totally Agree...

trickytom2 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker iTunes on Windows (XP, Vista, 7) is garbage. It's just not stable.

BTW, if you Google "iTunes Crashes", you'll get over 600,000 results, so the previous poster's assertions that nobody else has this trouble is incorrect.

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kb5ynf Updated - 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker is absolutely correct about iTunes sucking on Windows.
And to DeusExMachina, if you haven't seen mention of this on the web, make a quick search. You'll find thousands upon thousands of people complaining about iTunes. I quit using it myself because I got sick and tired of rebuilding my play lists and music library every time the crappy iTunes software decided to lose them. Now I use Windows Media player or third party apps for managing my music. I only use iTunes to download new music and apply updates.

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voyager529 12th Jul 2010

@DeusExMachina:
" In surveys, when asked, people routinely cite iTunes as one of the reasons they buy iPods, and why they are the number one PMP."

I personally can't stand iTunes, but I know that I'm just one voice. Here's my question about the (uncited) survey you reference: When people say that they're buying an iPod because of iTunes, does it follow up with a question to the effect of "what software do you feel that iTunes outperforms?"? In many cases, people don't necessarily realize that a viable alternative exists. Their playlists and ratings are all in the iTunes database, and if they've wanted to do something in iTunes, they've generally either figured out how to do it, or opted to simply go without. How many do you think have attempted to sync a device with Windows Media Player 11/12? JetAudio? Winamp5? MediaMonkey? Red Chair Software's Anapod or NotMad Explorer (back when it was maintained)? Based on the circle of people I interact with, I sincerely doubt any of them could even NAME an application designed to sync a media player besides iTunes and Windows Media Player. In their defense though, only Amazon offers a storefront for downloadable movies and TV series that I'm aware of, and that uses the WMV format.

The point I'm trying to make is that I dislike iTunes because I prefer Winamp and good old fashioned files and folders. I dislike iTunes inability to do a custom install (thus installing Quicktime, Bonjour, and other subsystems that I neither need or want), I dislike it's system footprint, I dislike its interface, and I can concretely say that based on having used all of the above applications instead. Saying that the general public buys iPods because they prefer iTunes over another media player is only a relevant unit of data if they have tried syncing other media players with other media sync software and prefer the iPod experience. If this is not the case, then it's closer to a perceived vendor lock-in, since "all of my music is in my iTunes, so I need an iPod to play it".

Which do you think is the more likely scenario?

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DeusExMachina 12th Jul 2010

Of course if you search iTunes crashes you'll get links about iTunes crashing. WTF are you claiming that proves?!?
And knowing about the claims says nothing about their veracity, or the overall numbers. There is a reason iPods are a popular as they are, and iTunes is it. Certainly, at least at first, the hardware was not significantly different to make a difference.

But go ahead and claim it is some Apple RDF, despite the reality that the majority of iPod users use iTunes for Windows.

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NameRedacted 12th Jul 2010

@NStalnecker
Have not had problems with crashes, but it is doubtless some of the worst software ever written for Windows. It seems to require an update every time it is opened and is painfully slow and sluggish.

And as for our resident Apple fanboi, I'd love to see the surveys where people cite iTunes as the reason they buy iPods. People buy iPods because they like them, and, as a result, they're saddled with Crapple's god-awful software.

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HypnoToad72 Updated - 12th Jul 2010

@mgllearning@... Quite.

I wonder if your new MBP is overheating - the 2010 17" model in particular has a major overheating problem. For the cost Apple products command, one would assume they go through vigorous QC on top of choosing quality parts. As the last year has shown, assumptions based on price are not good to make.

Oh, I put Win7 on my MBP as well. Especially after reading:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/web-video-showdown-flash-vs-quicktime-vs-windows-media/13176

Jobs can put on his platform what he wants, but to spin and twist reality has been proven - as shown on that link, and others.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/youtube-html5-does-not-yet-meet-all-of-our-needs/8809?tag=content;search-results-rivers

http://blogs.gartner.com/ray_valdes/2010/02/10/html5-and-flash/

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_flash_surprising_results_of_new_tests.php

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/web-video-showdown-flash-vs-quicktime-vs-windows-media/13176

http://www.pcworld.com/article/194318/apple_locks_iphone_developers_in_its_walled_garden.html

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=17365
(How much money a typical iPhone developer makes - content within is incredible)

Blast from the past, Apple trying to manipulate Java out of the market:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sprague/archive/2007/01/18/java.aspx

http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/pwn2own-2010-mac-isnt-more-secure/2010-03-26

and

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Think-Vista-Is-Insecure-Have-You-Looked-at-Mac-OS-X-Lately-76848.shtml

Not to forget, an iPhone SMS data can be extracted in 20 seconds by a malicious web site. (I'd feel safer to re-jailbreak mine and put the firewall back on...)

The more I read, the more my gut instinct Apple really does sell via customers' naivety.

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NameRedacted 12th Jul 2010

@HypnoToad72
My MacBook Pro overheats to the point I can't keep it in on my lap without risking burns.

The basic design flaw -- or should I use Apple-speak and call it a feature -- is that there are no vents or fans to dissipate the heat. As a result, the metal case gets so hot that it cannot rest on your lap without something thick to rest the computer on.

This can't be good for the computer's core components, and I expect that as a result, the MacBook will have a significantly shorter life than a properly cooled machine.

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