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Apple now trying to patent App ideas

By | July 30, 2010, 8:51am PDT

Summary: Apple’s latest idea for squeezing more money out of the iPhone cash cow - patenting App ideas.

Unwired View has uncovered Apple’s latest idea for squeezing more money out of the iPhone cash cow - patenting App ideas.

The problem? Three Apple patent applications that just became public on USPTO website. From the looks of them, it seems that Apple is now trying to patent mobile app ideas. For now Apple is seeking to get a patent for 3 apps – travel, hotel and high fashion shopping.

Patent applications can be found here, here, and here.

Damn, but this is one scary development. Imagine if back in 1994-96 someone decided to sit back, think about what kind of web services can be provided via the internet, and then decided to patent them. You know, things like – shopping for books online, buying plane tickets, reserving a hotel, providing shopping comparison services, online auctions, online e-mail services, etc;

USPTO, you guys need to kick these patent applications to the kerb.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
cartitleloans 30th Sep
This apple patent application is a very nice idea of apple company, this app contains an illustration of a screen virtually identical to the main interface of Where To? from FutureTap. car title loan
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Imagine that Apple then approaches Target, Walmart, sears, ect and either asks for large amount of money to allow the use of "shopping by phone" app for WP7 or Android.

But then of course if they develope for the iPhone only, the fee is waived.
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The problem is...
msalzberg 30th Jul 2010
you can't patent ideas. You can only patent the methods to make those ideas work.

Both the good people at Unwired View and you should know that.
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@msalzberg

Unfortunately, the USPTO itself does not seem to know this. They have long since given up, for example, demanding that the applicant actually implement the method described in the patent, except for obvious impossibilities such as the "perpetual motion machine", for which they will no longer grant patents without a working model.
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@mejohnsn

Yes and no. You still have to describe a method of doing something, but it should be shown to be a practical, not theoretical method.

You still cannot patent an idea.
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@msalzberg So you're saying that "SYSTEMS AND METHODS FOR ACCESSING TRAVEL SERVICES USING A PORTABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICE" can be patented? Give me a break. That's like trying to patent how to pee in a toilet.
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@ashdude

Don't give them free ideas to steal. what I don't see with these app applications is they are all prior art. we have those already. WGARA if it is an app on a phone rahter than an app on a computer (AKA smartphone)?
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@ashdude Did you know that the third person camera view on games is patented? You can patent an implementation of an idea, so yes, what you said probably can.
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"what kind of web services can be provided via the internet, and then decided to patent them."

That would be Patent Squatting.

Wouldn't fly without a working prototype and, more importantly, a shippable product.

But Apple has both. So they can certainly patent methods used on their hardware.

You haven't guessed why they patented this, have you?

It's to prevent the next Nokia from patenting something similar in the future and suing Apple over it.

Now Apple can point to the patent application and prove they had prior art.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
fairportfan 30th Jul 2010
@Jkirk3279 No working prototype required. That's a myth.

And patents, if creatively-enough written *can* cover ideas.
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@fairportfan

No. They have to be written in a way that describes how to make an idea work.
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Precisely how I see it...
dave95. Updated - 30th Jul 2010
@Jkirk3279

Sad but patents have always been sort off like a preemptive maneuver. We've just learnt Microsoft patented digital page turning (lol hey where's the outrage?). Why would they do such a thing? So the true Patent Squatters won't be able to do it first and then sue Microsoft later.

I blame the Patent Office.
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Shifting focus, always shifting focus
Webbywarehouse 30th Jul 2010
@dave95.

MS has definitely earned a bad reputation, but that does not alter the fact that Apple has become a tyrant of a company.

A denier of problems with its devices by millions (yeah, millions) of users globally.

The fact that the founder long ago decided to denounce is own daughter for the longest time and as a millionaire refused to pay child support - yeah, good example.

A company that was once the rebel, the alternative, now more litigious than MS and other tech giants? What happened to purity and good honest business practices.

Please, STOP with the comparisons to MS. When the next MS thread is started bash them there - I would enjoy reading that but this is a thread about Apple and their business practices and strategies - NOT about MS.

Focus, strap on the blinders. See if you can post a reply that addresses the article without brining in an artificial monster.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
dave95. Updated - 30th Jul 2010
@dWebbywarehouse

Wow talk about a personal vendetta? I certainly will not peer into another mans window just to judge him and his family (who am I to judge when I myself am not perfect). I will leave this one to you and No_Ax.
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I believed it was about Apple's transformation into a company that is willing to stoop to any level, no matter how low, to force out any competition to it's product lines.

I fail to see how en example with another company changes the facts of Apple's recent history in regards to their business practices.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Pete "athynz" Athens 30th Jul 2010
Okay this is messed up... seriously. Apple needs to chill with the freaking patents.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
HypnoToad72 30th Jul 2010
@athynz - but somebody has to catch up to Microsoft... heck, they want to patent hurricane control... assuming the idea is brought to reality by somebody, and it won't be me because if I did the work then MS would shout "I have a patent for that" and then take it. 'scuse me for doing the work... but that's philanthropy for ya.
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Fascinating.
Mister Spock Updated - 31st Jul 2010
The level to which many of you humans will lower yourselves to is quite fascinating.

To constently try to misdirect the issue at hand by placing the blame on Microsoft is illogical.

No amount of "slight of hand tricks" as you human would say, will absolve Apple of their misdeeds.

It is truely fascinating that the same people continue to try to cover for Apple.

Quite illogical. plain
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Xenia Onatopp Updated - 3rd Aug 2010
@HypnoToad72 Microsoft hardly ever sue anyone for patent infringements. They basically only use patents defensively. Apple, by contrast, are pretty litigious with their patents -- aggressively so, indeed.
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Apple is a Tyrant
Webbywarehouse 30th Jul 2010
Apple is an iron fisted tyrant.

No amount of comparison of MS in the past is going to alter this. No amount of trying to shift the focus to MS as Apple Fanboys always do will change this.

Stack up the cases and situations in which Apple has been aggressively suing and being sued, for trying to funnel everything through their money making apparatus, looking at all the false and misleading advertising they conducted, looking at their denial of iPhone issues, looking at their refusal to allow Flash on their iPad despite the fact consumers should have the choice, look at the myriad of other (many, many other) examples - at the end of the day Apple is a terrible company, a tyrant, a bully, and it is pathetic to say otherwise.

Want to say the same about MS, okay, go ahead. But that does not change the fact that Apple is a dangerous company. I agree that they engineer some very good products, but the company, just speaking of the company itself, it is simply terrible for the consumer.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse 30th Jul 2010
And as a follow up I may add, what if there was no MS, what do you suppose Apple Macs would be like and how much they would cost?

I shutter to think that if there was no MS that consumer choice and innovation would be radically different, and not in a good way.

My opinions but how can anyone in even the most remotely and radical way of thinking see it any differently?

Apple is a TERRRRRRRIBLE company. What happened to Apple over the years? Wow!
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Iron Fisted Tyrant?
norgate 30th Jul 2010
@Webbywarehouse

What is this, a fairy tale? Monsters lurking under our beds?

Here's a suggestion for any damsels in distress... don't buy the gear! Would your boss make you do it? Your friends? Your parents? What kind of weak willed simp are you that an Apple computer is being forced upon you as you tremble in fear?

Just don't buy it. There that was simple wasn't it. One simple decision and you a free from the terrible chains of bondage that are your greatest fear. Oh the lies, oh the tyranny, oh the bondage? Oh stop.

Just stop. The gear has the highest customer approval rating... period. Amazing, considering how many babies it eats. Maybe you can resolve the incongruity. I certainly can't.
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@norgate "Just stop. The gear has the highest customer approval rating... period. Amazing, considering how many babies it eats. Maybe you can resolve the incongruity. I certainly can't." Not amazing at all! Apple users have proven time and again, they don't care how many babies are killed if they get their "iFix"
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse 30th Jul 2010
@norgate

Do you deny the business practices of Apple, their customer service and denial of problems, their false and highly misleading advertising, their attempt to funnel ideas through their profit magnets, and that their choice to arbitrarily ban applications from the app store denying consumers more options ... is all this good?

It has NOTHING to do with what I buy, or don't buy, forget that. It is about the practices of this company and as it was outlined in this blog along with some historical context.

Congrats on not mentioning the evil giant...good job!!!
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse 30th Jul 2010
@20kwfence

You are a shining example of how hard it is to respond to statements made but instead use your time to try to focus on stupidity.

Why waste your time here, you are offering no value to the discourse.
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Cry me a river...
LTV10 30th Jul 2010
@Webbywarehouse
I hardly think you're being victimized here, so knock it off.

Consider this:

--Apple has only 9% of the desktop market out there. Macs are easily avoidable unless you're into things like graphics design or Photoshop. You don?t ever have to use a Mac. Ever.

--Go into any AT&T store and there are a myriad of choices on the shelves there besides the iPhone, let alone the choices from the other carriers like Sprint and Verizon.

--You don't have to buy an iPad. An iPad is not a necessity in your life. Don?t like it? Don?t buy it.

--You don't have to buy an iPod. With other mp3 player choices like Creative, Zune, Sony or Samsung occupying the same shelves as the iPod out there, you shouldn't have any problem. None whatsoever.

Now consider trying to find an enterprise environment out there that doesn't use windoze. Just about any professional job here in the United States requires you to have some rudimentary knowledge of windoze. It is monopolistic, ubiquitous and unavoidable. And that is not a flattering statement.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse Updated - 30th Jul 2010
@LTV10

LISTEN, READ, FOCUS...

This has nothing to do with what I chose to buy, what I like, what I prefer, this is about the practices of a company that harm consumers.

Is it so complicated?

9% of a market of hundreds of millions is still a sizable number of consumers, agreed?

Do those consumers not deserve the same protections?

What about the fact that Apple's practices are so dangerous that if completely succesful they could stifle innovation that is not funneled through their approval processes and/or developers being forced to pay for the ability to develop their own products?

Since when does percentage of market share make any difference when determining right and wrong?

Do you think Apple can do anything wrong or are they as a company "perfect"?
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...as my eyes get damp, ready to cry more rivers...

LISTEN, READ, FOCUS...

Sounds like you should consider your own advice since you entirely missed my points up above.

This has nothing to do with what I chose to buy, what I like, what I prefer, this is about the practices of a company that harm consumers.

Oh so now you're a 'consumer advocate' speaking for the rest of the whole wide rest of the world, huh

There are a lot of companies out there who's practices I don't agree with and I may choose to take my business elsewhere. Maybe you should consider doing the same.

The fact is if it doesn't affect you personally then you have nothing but a bunch of free time on your hands to come on here and troll about things you know little about let alone purchase.

9% of a market of hundreds of millions is still a sizable number of consumers, agreed?

Yes it is.

Do those consumers not deserve the same protections?

From your jaded and inherently biased opinions? Absolutely.

What about the fact that Apple's practices are so dangerous that if completely succesful they could stifle innovation that is not funneled through their approval processes and/or developers being forced to pay for the ability to develop their own products?

That's their closed system platform. If you don't like it or can't conform to their conditions, then go develop for someone else. They seem to have no problem attracting developers to advance their products the way it currently is. I'm sure they'll be able to get along without your services. They're not going to switch the windoze way of just downloading unknown application content off the internet because you think it's "fair".

Since when does percentage of market share make any difference when determining right and wrong?

Since it will be the marketplace that will decide that and not you or I. They are a consumer company. They can rise or fall like the rest of them.

Do you think Apple can do anything wrong or are they as a company "perfect"?

That's besides the point, but you already knew that so keep crying that river. I'm sure they can use your crocodile tears.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse 3rd Aug 2010
@LTV10

You don't like to discuss the topic, you prefer to try to make it "personal".

The issues expressed in the blog remain, regardless of your agitated stated of mind.
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@Webbywarehouse
LTV10 3rd Aug 2010
@LTV10
You're the one that's crybabying about this. Sounds to me like you have a personal vendetta against Apple. What did Apple ever do to you, anyway? Steal your house? Rape your mother? Take the food out of your widdle mouth?

You'll get no sympathy from me here. Maybe Loverock Davidson will give you his shoulder to cry on. Hmmm?

grin
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
HypnoToad72 30th Jul 2010
@Webbywarehouse - a corporation's only interest is itself. Eventually even shareholders would get left behind if need be. (Otherwise Ken Lay wouldn't have told people to buy as he was preparing to sell...)
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse 30th Jul 2010
@HypnoToad72

True, very true. Of course that does not dismiss bad and especially predatory, immoral, and illegal business practices.
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@Webbywarehouse

" looking at their refusal to allow Flash on their iPad despite the fact consumers should have the choice"

Have you sued Sony yet because they don't let you run XBox games on the Sony Playstation?

Shouldn't the consumer have the choice of running their XBox games on their Playstation? How DARE Sony deny them that right !

Apple makes their products to their standards; people have the right to buy or not.

They're not responsible to you, they're responsible to ME, as a stockholder.

You're obviously grabbing at straws looking for a conspiracy that proves Apple is evil.

They really aren't. Having successful products doesn't make a company evil.

Remember, Apple isn't a monopoly. People don't HAVE to buy their products.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse 2nd Aug 2010
@Jkirk3279

Flash is a technology that is intended to be platform independent. Games and media designed for platform 'x' should NOT be compatible necessarily on platform 'y', that is the nature of competition.

Flash is a media and technology solution that was absolutely intended to be platform independent, as was PDF. Imagine if Apple did not want to support JPG images...what then?
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
LTV10 Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@Webbywarehouse
Flash is very platform dependent and is maintained by one company, Adobe. It relies heavily (for obvious reasons) on windoze. In fact, they still haven't come up with a decent solution for Linux that's the equivalent of windoze. And Jobs refuses to bundle their second rate Apple-version buggy crapware with OSX, which tells me Adobe doesn't take Apple very seriously at all.

Maybe now with it's exclusion from the iPad, they'll start paying attention.

Let's face it, without windoze, Flash would be just another flash in a pan.

As far as PDFs are concerned, other independent software can read it besides Adobe Reader, so it's now becoming a de facto standard.

And I don't know why the hell you brought up .jpgs in this since it's a universal file extension not associated with any one particular company. Your argument there is fatuous at best.
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Re: Apple is a Tyrant
NZJester Updated - 31st Jul 2010
@Webbywarehouse
Apple and Steve Jobs used to be the Anakin Skywalker of computer makers fighting for good. But now they are the Darth Vaders of phone, touchpad and music player makers. Where is a Luke Skywalker type company to turn them from the darkside when you need them?
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@Webbywarehouse
Goodness me, Webbywarehouse, so "consumers should have the choice" of having Flash on their iPads. Who says they should? You?

Not sure what that sort of mindset is going to do for creativity, innovation, technology development. Surely the inventor of a device (or car, or house or breakfast cereal) can make choices about what their product does and doesn't do. If you don't like it or Apple's business practices, go elsewhere.

Fair dinkum, the adolescent logic in many of these posts......!!
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@Ian Wright

You wrote: Goodness me, Webbywarehouse, so "consumers should have the choice" of having Flash on their iPads. Who says they should? You?

Should MS be forced to offer alternative browswer when they set up their new computer (uh...as the EU required them to)?

Adobe Flash (as much as I personally dislike it) is used on many websites, many of which it is essential, not just video. Should Apple lock users out because they want to drive (errr.... own) the technology development processes for the industry?

Ala Firewire....
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Should MS be forced to offer alternative browswer when they set up their new computer (uh...as the EU required them to)?

Uh, I thought we were talking about Flash here. Why don't you answer his question. Unless you're pretending to be the EU now.

Adobe Flash (as much as I personally dislike it) is used on many websites, many of which it is essential, not just video. Should Apple lock users out because they want to drive (errr.... own) the technology development processes for the industry?

Sure it's quite simple. If Adobe Flash means that much to you, then don't buy anything Apple. Just don't buy it. It's quite easy not to, ya know.

Doh.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse 3rd Aug 2010
@LTV10

still cannot focus can you?

PDF and Flash can both be displayed with non-adobe programs.

For example, SkyFire on WM6 will display Flash. Adobe did not create the executable for this.

Numerous software applications can generate (and display and read and parse) Flash code and Action Script.

Hence Flash is a "defacto standard" as much as PDF is.

Don't like the JPG example, then how about GIF?

Are you familiar with the patent that was in place until a few years ago that prevented open source solutions such as Image Magick from outputting GIF format unless a royalty was paid.

I provide this example to illustrate a parallel, maybe, just maybe your gray matter can connect the two dots. Here's hoping.
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@Webbywarehouse misguidedly tells us...

PDF and Flash can both be displayed with non-adobe programs.

Uh...like...doh...

Didn't I just say that up above?

For example, SkyFire on WM6 will display Flash. Adobe did not create the executable for this.

So what. They still created the Flash for it. That doesn't make them any less involved unless Adobe is going open source and renouncing all financial & legal claims to it's code.

Numerous software applications can generate (and display and read and parse) Flash code and Action Script.

Again, so what. Why don't you answer Ian's original question instead of whining about the EU.

Hence Flash is a "defacto standard" as much as PDF is.

Again, so what. How does that invalidate what I said above. Should I quote it again for you since you like to create more red-herrings here?

Don't like the JPG example, then how about GIF?

But you originally said JPG, now didn't you. The largest, most common graphics format out there. Now you decide to come up with something else because you know I was right concerning JPGs.

Are you familiar with the patent that was in place until a few years ago that prevented open source solutions such as Image Magick from outputting GIF format unless a royalty was paid.

That was a few years ago. 2003 as a matter of fact. Now the GIF format is as freely used as JPGs. Your point?

Oh that's right, there isn't one.

I provide this example to illustrate a parallel, maybe, just maybe your gray matter can connect the two dots. Here's hoping.

No, you came up with something lame, got caught saying it, so now you're backtracking, covering your a$$ with all these red herrings.

The fact is you don't really care about that 9% of consumers out there who you patronizingly feel are being victimized by Apple. You only care about your vendetta against them. Or is it paid shilling for the other side? If that's the case, I don't think you're going to generate too many of those 9% customers for M$ with all your incessant whining here.

Like I said before, don't like 'em, don't buy 'em. That simple.
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Knuth, the pioneering computer scientist who gave us "The Art of Computer Programming", was right: software patents are BAD.

This latest bad example is just another demonstration that he was right.
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Apple should patent...
Agnostic_OS 30th Jul 2010
Apple should patent the user activated dropped call method by antenna detuning.
You never know someone might need it wink
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That's damn right!
SonofaSailor 30th Jul 2010
@Agnostic_OS

and because "everyone else's phone does it too", Apple could turn around and sue everyone into oblivion!
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That's what patent is for!
Agnostic_OS 31st Jul 2010
@SonofaSailor wink
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
scirath Updated - 30th Jul 2010
"If you don't like it, just don't buy it."

Great idea, until you realize that Apple isn't the be all and end all of thingymajiggers that use apps. By declaring a patent on such-and-such, they effectively lock out all competitors from developing an analog to that app for their own devices. At that point, the issue becomes, "If you like it, all you can do is buy Apple."

Which is fine, so long as it's a truly original design and idea. But c'mon ... Travel? Hotels? Fashion? Since when should online shopping be controlled by a single product manufacturer?
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How did Apple get so creepy?
splamco@... 30th Jul 2010
Apple has evolved from cult-like to just plain cult.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse Updated - 30th Jul 2010
@splamco@...

I could not agree more. They are the worst kind of cult - intellectually void of reason and driven only by their own brand of religion.

Apple Fanboys could not care less how much consumer harm is done so long as they think that Apple is perfect as the wind driven snow.

Apple is in terms of a corporation - evil.
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No consumer harm
LTV10 Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@Webbywarehouse
Except for an iPod Nano I have, I've been able to get away with not using Apple products for years. By choice.

Me thinks you are just blowing smoke out of your you-know-what for the sake of your you-know-where.
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
Webbywarehouse Updated - 3rd Aug 2010
@LTV10

I doubt you think, haven't seen evidence so far.

Enjoy your over priced products that merely provide you with the joy of holding your nose in the air.

If MS does bad, your type jumps on the bashing wagon, when Apple is naughty it is just not true, couldn't be true, you won't believe it - unacceptable.

Lets change the discussion, hijack the narrative, shift blame.

It must be Bill Gate's fault or maybe Steve Ballmer's fault that the new iPhones need a condom...in some way these two evil men are to blame, right?
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RE: Apple now trying to patent App ideas
LTV10 Updated - 3rd Aug 2010
I doubt you think, haven't seen evidence so far.

No, you're just an embittered hypocrite who whined about trying to make it "personal" and yet does the same thing right above. Did you not say what I just italicized and bolded from your post up above?

Enjoy your over priced products that merely provide you with the joy of holding your nose in the air.

Thanks, I will. It's a second generation Nano I got back in 2007. Stills runs and the battery's still good.

If MS does bad, your type jumps on the bashing wagon, when Apple is naughty it is just not true, couldn't be true, you won't believe it - unacceptable.

Oh stop acting like a little girl, will ya? Sheesh. I never said Apple was perfect and the way they handled antennagate was an unmitigated public relations disaster. Not that it put much of a crimp in their sales, though...

No, M$ truly is the evil one. They're so ubiquitous in the workplace you can't escape from them.

Lets change the discussion, hijack the narrative, shift blame.

Well you talk the talk. Let's see you walk the walk.

It must be Bill Gate's fault or maybe Steve Ballmer's fault that the new iPhones need a condom...in some way these two evil men are to blame, right?

whaaaa...whaaaaa...whaaaa....

(singing...)
To cry, cry me a river
Cry me a river-er
Cry me a river
Cry me a river-er, yea yea
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This apple patent application is a very nice idea of apple company, this app contains an illustration of a screen virtually identical to the main interface of Where To? from FutureTap. car title loan

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