Ballmer: Microsoft lost "thousands of man hours of innovation" on Vista
Summary: In a speech to fellow CEOs at Microsoft's 14th annual CEO Summit, Microsoft's Steve Ballmer said something that gives us an insight into what went wrong with Vista.
In a speech to fellow CEOs at Microsoft's 14th annual CEO Summit, Microsoft's Steve Ballmer said something that gives us an insight into what went wrong with Vista.
Taking about the operating system, he said:
"We tried too big a task and in the process wound up losing thousands of man hours of innovation."
The problem with Microsoft (specifically in the pre Windows 7 days) is that the company had a huge track record of vaporware announcements. During the development of Longhorn (the project that led to Vista), there was an almost daily flow of announcements and new features from Microsoft. Longhorn was going to be everything to everybody.
Then there were external pressures. Not only was Longhorn having to keep up with what Microsoft wanted from it, it also had to keep up with the tech industry and the changes and developments there. Feature creep built on top of feature creep, and eventually the project collapsed under its own weight and Microsoft threw out the existing code, took the Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 codebase and added to this the features that would transform it into Vista.
Overall, Vista cost Microsoft around $6 billion to develop.
Microsoft knew what Vista should have been - it should have been Longhorn. The sobering thing to take away from this is that Microsoft, with all that cash and brain-power and experience, bit off more than it could chew and ended up having to retreat and regroup.
And what about Windows 7? Well, it's a leg up from Vista. It could be argued that Windows 7 is what Vista should have been, but that's beside the point. Users seem happy with Windows 7, and whether that's down to it being a better operating system, or that people are just glad to have cash to spend on shiny new PCs and software, it doesn't matter one bit to Microsoft!
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Whatever it was to them, I know what it was to me
RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
If your a regular user of windows 7 then you know that not to be a true statement,heck the secure statement is a total Linux zelot giveaway/or mac.
RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
But ...
RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
@s_souche: Windows 7 is basically a "refurbished" Vista SP2, not Vista SP1.
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RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
Vista had nothing wrong with it. However the name was forever tarnished in the consumer's eyes.
RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
[i]Vista had nothing wrong with it. However the name was forever tarnished in the consumer's eyes. [/i]
Then you have to ask yourself one thing: [i]Why?[/i] <img border="0" src="http://www.cnet.com/i/mb/emoticons/bulb.gif">
RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
I apologize,i did not read what you said good enough,and my comment was uncalled for and incorrect,
Sorry
Stan
It's all good
:)
Stable?
Yes, it was.
Usable? NOPE.
Interface sucked, and XP with aftermarket security was better than stock Vista.
Unfortunately 7 is not much better in many ways.
Wonderful to look at, horrible to work with.
Can't slipstream the crap out of it.
Gotta manually remove it after install.
Hmmm, just like OSX. 2 crappy peas in the same pod.
Linux Mint x64 with XP x86 in a VM just WORKS.
No crashes, runs everything, no malware issues, installs and updates with a couple of clicks.
My PC came with 7, which is still on there, but I so rarely use it I'm seriously thinking of recovering the 30GB's allocated to it's partition.
RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
Nice spin
What?
Millions of lines of code were thrown out!
This is getting amazing: MS admits problems with Vista, as does Ballmer, even ZDNet's Ed and still the MSCEs of ZDNet talkbacks refuse to acknowledge any problems with it.
It's beyond denial, but medically delusional.
Kudos to those that are now shown they were right all along:-)
RE: Ballmer: Microsoft lost
Can you honestly say millions of lines intended for Linux or OS X have never been thrown out?
Mistakes are always made, the question is how you learn from them and make your product better. And while Windows 7 is far from perfect, it is clearly the best OS ever produced from MS, and holds up very well to the competition when you compare it to the points that the competition likes to compare themselves to Windows.
And IMHO, the thing MS learned the most is that third parties need to be on board with the development process. That is what was missing from Vista. Perhaps the reason some do not consider Vista a failure is because when you ignore the third party problems, it really wasn't half bad. That's probably why so many people defend it and tend to blame outside sources, but in reality the OS vendor has to be proactive with third party vendors if it wants its OS to be well received. After all, people do not buy a computer to run an OS, they buy a computer to run applications.
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:)
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YOU'RE SUCH A BIG FAT LIAR! Windows 7 is NOT your idea, so stop taking credit for someone else's idea.
Windows 7
Vista was garbage
When Vista came out and for awhile after, it gave me, and I am not computer illiterate - actually quite the opposite, problems as a whole and was not pleased with the slowness and bugginess of it. After the service packs came out though, it seemed to turn out to be an ok OS, still bloated but decent enough if you really do not have the money to buy Windows 7.
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