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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Can Microsoft beat Apple and Google and successfully 'appify' the TV?

By | December 5, 2011, 8:20am PST

Summary: According to Microsoft, this new dashboard is where ‘a new era in entertainment begins.’

Microsoft is planning to roll out a new dashboard update for its Xbox 360 console tomorrow that will see custom apps from a range of TV and entertainment content providers being made available. Is Microsoft looking to transform the Xbox from a games console to a TV connected PC?

According to Microsoft, this new dashboard is where ‘a new era in entertainment begins.’ Don Mattrick, president of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft, had this to say:

“A new era in entertainment begins where all your entertainment is together in one place - your games, movies, TV shows, music and sports. With this update, Xbox 360 system owners will experience Kinect voice control integrated with Bing search, making your TV and entertainment experiences more social and personal than ever.”

Google launched Google TV earlier this year, and that venture failed. Apple’s had AppleTV for a few years now but there doesn’t seem to be much mainstream consumer interest in the device. Microsoft’s been clever and taken a different approach - it sold people a games console and it’s now transforming it into something that resembles a PC.

At the core of this update is the ability to for the console to run custom apps. At present these custom apps are to pipe additional media content to the Xbox, but where these apps lead, more will follow. Blogger Long Zheng peers into his crystal ball and sees where this might be going:

Who’s to say there can’t be a Flickr app for browsing gorgeous photos, educational apps for kids, communication apps like Skype and even Kinect-enabled apps like those shown in “The Kinect Effect” ad.

I see no reason why that couldn’t happen.

Some 56 million Xbox 360 units have been shipped (it’s hard to tell how many are dead), and some 35 million are connected to the internet, so it’s only logical that Microsoft leverage this platform with apps. The hardware ecosystem is already there and it’s would be a no-brainer for developers to jump on board and start creating custom apps for the platform - apps that will take the Xbox 360 games console and transform it into a TV connected PC. All the elements are there for a successful app ecosystem - a payment system, internet connectivity, large user base and existing developer interest - all Microsoft needs to do is to start leveraging.

As much as this announcement excites me, it also depresses me. No matter how cool the Xbox 360 is, it’s still old technology. Six-year-old technology. It’s so old that now that it’s not just throttling gaming experience on the console, it’s holding back gaming on the PC. It’s not likely that we’ll see a new Xbox until 2014.

So yes, apps on the Xbox is a great idea, but I just wish that it was on new hardware rather than six-year-old hardware.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Can Microsoft beat Apple and Google and successfully 'appify' the TV
stano360 6th Dec
@bartdj1964 I don't know what your talking about either. The XBox gives me access to content from all three PC's (even my android if I want). All of my HomeGroup video, music, pictures etc. And is pretty good for Netflix too.

But I agree about WMC, it should already be a dominant player. It is a great idea that has been dormant. There should be cable card tuners in every desktop PC. Why has the Internet TV module been blocked from the XBox. PlayOn gets around some of this, but is a little klunky. Every PC has access to all video, pics and music from all the other pc's.
if we could just keep playing halo and pull up a windows 8 side snap screen thing meantime to order some food, catch up on email and conduct business while continuing the multiplayer game, well now that would be an achievement.
@peterpulmonary: ... tired much sooner than you would think looking at cool Kinect advertisement.

So while XBox 360 continues to be highly successful device (on par with Sony's PS3 in terms of quantity sold), TV is not going to be 'appified' by it -- to tiresome to use both hands and voice for something more lasting than a game for half hour a day. People watch TV for hours daily.
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@dderss
Instead of waving your hands about holding nothing, it is far better to wave your hands about while holding a 1.3lb device.

As for people being too tired to use voice control, I guess that is why iPhone 4S is selling so poorly.

Oh wait.

Finally, did you even bother to read up about the WP7 integration so that you can control your Xbox with your phone? And yes, I'm fully aware that you can do this with Apple's solution only when Apple does it, you cheer but when MS does it, gorilla arms suddenly appear.

dderss, you demonstrate that you know little about Apple products and even less about competing products. Don't get me wrong, your ignorance is highly entertaining but I do feel kind of bad for you.
@toddybottom: ... device lays on you laps and the hands go down to manipulate it with multi-touch gestures.

And talking to iPhone 4S' AI assistant few times a day is nothing like trying to browse TV "for something different", the more the device itself issues a lot of noise at the same time.

toddybottom, you demonstrate that you know little about Microsoft products and even less about competing products. Don't get me wrong, your ignorance is highly entertaining but I do feel kind of bad for you for being such little cutie troll.
If it handles the task at hand, six year old technology is just fine. I would also think that the next rumored update to Kinect will add another dimension to managing a consumer's TV viewing time.

Will Microsoft beat Apple (and Google) to the market with a viable full feature home TV ecosystem? It could be argued that with Apple TV - version two - and an iPad or other iOS device, that Apple has already breached that threshold. As for Google TV, just ask Logitech how that experience worked out for them.

But, Microsoft has a shot at this. If Apple delivers an integrated full featured HDTV set with all the rumored "goodness", than the Microsoft solution (XBox and Kinect) will seem clunky. It will work but it will still seem clunky compared to the Apple product.

BTW, once again, IMO there is nothing wrong with the Microsoft solution to enhancing the TV experience except that it might take more work and understanding from the end user to fully appreciate it's abilities.
"It could be argued that with Apple TV - version two - and an iPad or other iOS device, that Apple has already breached that threshold."

What is your definition of "breached that threshold"? Make sure that when you give us your definition, you choose one that eliminates the millions of Xboxes and Windows powered HTPCs that are out there. Extra points if your definition does not include "must be made by Apple".
@toddybottom The Windows-powered HTPC's out there are very small in number and irrelevant at this point. Media Center hasn't been as much of a success as MS has hoped for. The vast majority of MS' IPTV success comes through the Xbox 360 and rightly so. They're doing a good job with the Xbox 360 TV initiative and should focus on that.
smulji: Apple TV is also very small in number and is still marketed as a "hobby" device so I was challenging the Apple fanboi to define "breached that threshold". He simply has to come up with a definition where a hobby device that hasn't sold in big numbers from Apple is defined as a success while at the same time ensuring that his definition does not give the same credit to Xbox and Windows powered HTPCs.
@toddybottom

Before I answer your questions, toddybottom, I'd like to tell you a little ZDNet online history between myself and a poster known as NonZealot. Over the course of years, NZ and I would engage in long, interesting discussions on various topics. Normally he would cite examples from his MS Windows ecosystem background to support his position while I would counter with examples from my current Apple ecosystem experiences. In fact, I learned quite a bit about HTPC's from our discussions. We came to respect one another and I, for my part, could easily call him a friend. We both shared a trait of not suffering fools kindly and NZ would engage in online "baiting" of such individuals. (He would use the terms Fanboi, troll and other inflammatory rhetoric that came to mind when addressing those posters. He was also fond of "sound bite catch phrases. And, as I recall, Cue the Double Standards was a favorite of his.) I, for my part, have never addressed any poster using those inflammatory names and, IMHO, exercised a bit more leeway with fools but on rare occasions, I would also engage in such "baiting games". When we both admitted to that, we shared an online chuckle together. I would wish my friend a Merry Christmas this year once again but, sadly, he doesn't post anymore.

Sorry about that bit of personal nostalgia. Let's get back to your questions. First, a definition is in order. My phrase, "breached that threshold" seemed to puzzle you. I used that phrase in relationship to AKH's first paragraph, in which he states, "Microsoft is planning to roll out a new dashboard update for its Xbox 360 console tomorrow that will see custom apps from a range of TV and entertainment content providers being made available. Is Microsoft looking to transform the Xbox from a games console to a TV connected PC?"

What caught my mind's eye in that paragraph was the phrase "custom apps" and "TV connected PC".

With iOS 5 installed on iOS devices incorporating an A5 SoC chipset, a second generation Apple TV, a local WiFi network and an HDTV, Apple has already "breached the threshold of a TV connected PC" running "custom apps".

Of course, with the iOS 5's capability to mirror and/or stream digital content from custom apps to an HDTV, this ability has now become a reality.

To make this point perfectly clear, every single app in the iOS ecosystem can now be displayed on a large screen HDTV. Every app. All hundred of thousands iPad specific apps quite frankly. And, of course, any embedded video content within those apps.

We are not just talking the YouTube, Netflix and Hulu Plus custom apps that are common place now. Even Blu-Ray players contain a subset of online apps. We are talking about the full music and video iTunes ecosystem. The full iOS game app ecosystem. In fact, anything that can be displayed on a computer can be displayed via the Apple system I just described.

Even Flash video. There are several ways to do that but one way that I use is to incorporate a VNC app on my iPad called Splashtop Remote. It's advantage over other VNC apps is that it also allows synched audio content along with video content. Therefore, by using the mirroring ability of iOS 5, I just bring up a flash video content from my iMac, stream that content to my iPad and then stream that content - via - my Apple TV - to my HDTV. Admittedly, I don't need to do that very often, but I assure you, I have that capability. (Of course, I also need one more piece of equipment, namely my iMac, but it is possible inside an Apple ecosystem.)

Personally, I have now synched my whole music library to iCloud using the optional iMatch service and I actually used that capability the other day to listen to some music thru my home surround sound HDTV system.

So there you have it, toddybottom. My home Entertainment System is now connected to the full Internet experience via all the custom iOS apps, the full iTunes music and video ecosystem and this content can either be displayed thru custom iPad apps (like HBO Go, Crackle, TV.com, excetera) or just using mirroring my iPad Safari or Skyfire web browser content.

It should be noted that talk of "number of units sold" is irrelevant to this discussion. AKH's point was about a TV connected PC experience. And I answered that in my post.

PS .. As my friend NZ realized, I'm neither a Fanboi or a troll. I'm simply a consumer that enjoys the benefits of the Apple ecosystem and will express those experiences from "time to time". I have never, and will never, criticize or publicly downplay another person's electronic ecosystem choices. I thought you would have noticed that by now.
Playing to an installed base is not a way to impact this market. Just ask BlackBerry how tying their tablet sales to their phones.
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Playing to an installed base
LiquidLearner 5th Dec
@dheady@...

and adding features to a product you already own are two different things. If suddenly your BlackBerry became a tablet then it would be more like the features coming to XBox.
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Six year old technology sits just fine with me. In this economy, I hate to be paying the likes of Apple hundreds of dollars year after year for technology that does basically the same thing since it was first introduced.
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Good place for yesterday's PC
Robert Hahn 5th Dec
If a six-year-old XBox can do the job, then so can any 6-year-old PC. I know this because we have a hand-me-down HP tower sitting next to the TV... its job is to download stuff from Hulu and Amazon and feed it to the TV. Works fine.
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The Linux Geek 5th Dec
M$ might beat apple but not google!
@The Linux Geek

How is Google TV working out for you guys?
which the Xbox is? You can't upgrade it, and as the author pointed out, it's already six year old tech...
@GoPower
Why is it that I have to buy the Xbox 4S in order to get access to the entire set of new features?

Oh wait
@GoPower

That is the whole point of a "console". Games I bought 6 years ago work perfectly on an Xbox I buy today, and games I buy today work perfectly on a console I bought 6 years ago.

And if you actually knew anything about an Xbox you'd know it works surprisingly well for a 6 year old console.

We are not talking about a *PC* here, this is a console. If you don't understand the difference, Google/Bing it.
@Qbt
Not well at all.

MS wins and that really hurts the feelings of Apple fanbois like GoPower.

"That is the whole point of a "console". Games I bought 6 years ago work perfectly on an Xbox I buy today, and games I buy today work perfectly on a console I bought 6 years ago."
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@Qbt For some, that's all they've got.
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@GoPower Great value and it still works great. Nobody cares about "open" as long as the product works well.
@GoPower

And you can't upgrade your TV, Microwave, Refridgerator, Car (for the most part), and many other items you own and use. The vast majority of people buy a product that they just want to use and work. It is only the geek community that cares about upgrading or tinkering around with something techie. Consumers just want to use it for what it was intended to do.
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While it's true that lots of people already have the xbox I for one am not going to pay for extra content on a yearly subscription. While the google tv might have been a failure, what it does right is that I pay once for it and then can access things that i've already paid for. HBO Go and Netflix are services I already pay for - so I am not paying additional to access them other than the cost of the unit.

While I pay for xbox live gold - that subscription should allow me to access these media options as is - if there is an additional charge then I will have to pass.
Not to mention a 20 year old TV some people will still use. Nothing at all wrong with that as long as there's a box to convert the signals, etc. What works works, makes people happy.
No they can't because they are too quick to give up! All of us who (not so smart) people that moved towards Windows Media Center, bought extenders set up the whole house only to see MS give up on it. They can't even get Netflix to work on an extendender so I doubt they can compete in the App TV world.
@bartdj1964

Not sure where you are coming from as I have a Media Center PC (which is basically my Win7 machine with a 2tb HD running MEdia Center), and I can stream to any XBOX in the house, and Netflix works perfectly fine on all of them.

It was mentioned at the Build conference in September that MS will be releasing a new version of Media Center, it just wasn't in the build they gave out at the conference.
@bartdj1964 I don't know what your talking about either. The XBox gives me access to content from all three PC's (even my android if I want). All of my HomeGroup video, music, pictures etc. And is pretty good for Netflix too.

But I agree about WMC, it should already be a dominant player. It is a great idea that has been dormant. There should be cable card tuners in every desktop PC. Why has the Internet TV module been blocked from the XBox. PlayOn gets around some of this, but is a little klunky. Every PC has access to all video, pics and music from all the other pc's.

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