Core 2 Duo - Pricing and availability

Core 2 Duo - Pricing and availability

Summary: With almost any product, the success comes down to two things; pricing and availability. It seems that Intel may have stumbled on both of these with the launch of the Core 2 Duo range of CPUs.

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With almost any product, the success comes down to two things; pricing and availability.  It seems that Intel may have stumbled on both of these with the launch of the Core 2 Duo range of CPUs.

Intel's latest range of CPUs, the Core 2 Due (codenamed Conroe) has had plenty of exposure over the last few months, and this exposure has translated into a demand.  Problem is, while these CPUs were launched on July 27th, availability is still patchy.  For example, Newegg are showing that the E6300 and E6400 are available immediately (although they are limited to one per customer), but the E6600, E6700 and X6800 are nowhere to be seen.  This is a real disappointment because it was the E6600 and E6700 that showed the most potential when it comes to overclocking.  While the E6300 and E6400 are powerful, the real powerhouses aren't available.

Another sticking point is price.  Newegg shows the E6300 and E6400 priced at $249 and $299 respectively.  This is well above the distributor price of $183 and $224.  With such a large increase in price, it's worthwhile going back and reviewing any purchase plans and factor in this new data.

On top of all this, Dell customers waiting for their Core 2 Duo powered XPS 700 rigs aren't going to see anything until at least October 17th, and there are some reports that they might even have to wait until February 2007 because it seems that Dell are going for the Nvidia Nforce 590 chipset (Update - Dell has some news about the XPS 700 on their blog.  Here they are saying that it's a problem with the cooling assembly that's causing the delays, which is a valid reason indeed to hold back on shipping the systems).

There's many a slip between the cup and the lip.  It seems like Intel has slipped.

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  • Freeze the market

    by pre-announcing stuff that you don't have. Big UNIX vendors overused this in the past, and Sun made a big deal over how they had stock when they announced a new product. HP had to follow (and I assume IBM too). It's nice to have competition . . .
    Roger Ramjet
    • Freeze your own stuff too

      The downside is that you kill your own sales too ... this could be a dry quarter for Intel.
      Adrian Kingsley-Hughes
  • Amused

    I'm always amused at how words in IT get re-applied to different definitions. "core", back in the stone age, used to mean "memory"; now, it means "CPU".
    Liam SWz
    • There's only so may words ...

      ... especially when they have to be short and catchy!
      Adrian Kingsley-Hughes
  • Jobs has never had problem with it. Many always love to be s... (?) (NT)

    (NT)
    Vily Clay
  • Newegg isnt the cheapest that has stock

    newegg isnt the cheapest, but the others arent too much less.
    This is basically correct though, and very common.

    The prices you see intel listed is lots of 1000. Intel does not
    have the supply yet of these to do lots of 1000 for everyone that
    wants them. Stores like newegg who wants to make sells and
    have customers yelling and screaming for them, end up buying
    whats avaialble, less than 1000 and because of the lower bulk,
    have to pay more per processor, therefor they have to charge
    more for them.

    Also they usually overinflate prices on pre-order type items like
    this. Its much easier when the product comes in to lower the
    price, then have to eat the cost by selling preorders at a price
    thats too low or even under cost.
    doh123
  • I thought Core 2 was doom for AMD?

    Where do people sit now? I and others (Sharikou comes prominently to mind) voice the opinion over and over again to deaf ears, that AMD has the upper hand yet. No...who could believe that? Intel's new chip beat AMDs on benchmarks by 20%. That was it. AMD was toast. Now you see what we're talking about: inventory matters. By the time Intel has actually gotten the product to market (vs. in benchmarkers hands), AMD will likely have closed the gap. That's the technology side. On the business side, AMD has been moving their products. Intel distributors have *alot* of inventory to get rid of.

    IMO, both now have good products, but I still believe AMD is executing better at present, and to me, that is the basket worth putting my eggs into.

    Notice: I actually own both AMD and Intel stock (roughly equal amounts), having obtained both at what I consider a very good value prices in the last couple months. Thus, I have *no* "ax to grind" financially - I believe I stand to profit well from both within the next year or two.
    Techboy_z
    • If they get stock levels up ...

      ... and prices to a decent level, then Conroe should be a good deal.

      AMD have the upper hand now because Intel has slipped up ... IMO.
      Adrian Kingsley-Hughes
    • jumping the gun

      they are on the market and beign sold, just very small quantities.
      This is very normal since they have been on the market for a whole
      giant 13 days....

      even AMD has released many chips that were hard to get for the
      first few weeks to a month.
      doh123
    • Stock issues

      Ive asked at a couple of the big computer parts distribution stores about core duo avalability and it seems that nobody, including the stores themselves are pushing hard to get a pile of the duos in so long as they have piles of older Intels and AMD's in stock. Those are not my words either, thats what the stores are saying.

      AMD doom is temporarily postponed until old stock levels diminish to at least low enough levels that reasonable quanities of reasonably priced core duo's wont doom thousands of processors already on the shelves to a perminant existance there.

      Seems both AMD and Intel are only prepared to lower old stock prices so far and the rest is up to the stores, including what to charge for the new Intels and whether to stock them at all until they get rid of most of the old stuff.
      Cayble
    • AMD Eater? Yes! It is!

      Apparently you haven't seen or read the September issue of MaximumPC mag. (yes I read all of 'em including PC World, PCmag. etc.) They used a 6800 in their latest "Dream Machine" and it came up with a 30-70% difference over AMD's AM2! WITHOUT cooling. There was negligable difference in temps with/without cooling, so Yes it IS an AMD killer. The best AMD is doing is to REDUCE the size of on board L2 by 1/2 to be able to fit more cores on the dye. The other fact is that Intel is going with Nvidia and AMD bought ATi ? Hmmmm!
      barefoot1976
  • Didn't we used to call this FUD?

    IBM would do it to DEC and Data General just to freeze them out of getting any new customers:

    "Look! Look! If you buy the VAX today, look at what you'll be missing out when THIS comes out, and is available, in a couple of months!"

    Hmmmmmm?
    OButterball
  • So much hype and a ewaste of time and money

    This is why I use - and recommend - AMD to all I work with and for. Price and performance, coupled with availability; gone are the days (and long gone) when AMD did not come up with the goods; waste no more time with the hype - and the following disappointments.
    ABERZO
    • You can't be serious

      Availability? that was, and still is, a sticking point with AMD: They don't have the capability to produce the quantities as Intel does. As for performance, well you and I both know that's subjective.

      I on the other hand use - and recommend - Intel to all I work with and for as it'll never come back to haunt me.
      John Zern
      • neither can you

        Performance is not subjective. That's what all the tech sites on the internet are showing you if you open your eyes. For the last several years AMD has been getting alot of love mostly from the gaming community for having better performance per watt compared to Intel.

        I feel sorry for anyone that has been listening to your recommendations. Except for certain applications where Intel may have at least been close or slightly better performing, there has been no reason to use an Intel based system.

        I would actually love to have a new C2D system myself right now, but Intel missed this boat by about a year. Maybe they'll have better luck in another year or so when I'm ready to upgrade.
        harisahmed@...
      • Availability

        Is not an issue for AMD processors. Our company sells both AMD, and Intel, and right now Intel in anyway shape or form is either very hard to get, or expensive. (Intel has done a fire sale on their CPU's for the last few months, and now it shows in the stock levels in the channel) While the new AMD chips are easy to get. AMD chips have been easy to get for a long time now with no shortages. Don't believe Intel's line that AMD can't supply chips. They would have you believe that AMD only has 1 FAB, and shares another, this simply is not true.
        A. Noid
  • Production is just starting

    Intel has a lot of OEMs (from Apple to Dell) wanting large quantities
    of the Core 2s and they are just ramping up production. Not a big
    deal for me, be it Intel or AMD ramping up a new product. Wait 6 -
    8 weeks and see how things are then. Maybe AMD will have
    released a new chip that beats the Core 2s and will be facing the
    same supply & demand problems on their initial ramp.
    Ken_z
    • sure, and MS is burning the Vista CDs as we speak ... :-)

      Poor All-Mighty Intel, cannot even catch up with tiny AMD.... gone are the old glory days of the empire ... :-(
      michael_t
      • catch up how?

        catch up how? they still have larger marketshares.... more
        production capacity (total). Better processors? hmm already
        caught up on that.... I'm not sure how they will catch up, when they
        arent behind.

        unless you just mean they cant currently meet demand on a chip
        familiy that has been available for a whole 13 days....
        doh123
        • Keep in mind....

          Your responding to a post by Milky, and he hates Intel and Microsoft so much that even if both companies were flawless and perfect he would criticize them for showing off and tell you they should be avoided based on that.

          Both Microsoft and Intel do have their problems, but Intel needing to catch up to AMD is not one of them unless you live in a world where the race run backwards. Investigation shows that the stores themselves right now are a part of the availability problem as many of the big computer parts stores have lots of old stock, including AMD, and they are not pushing for alot of new Core Duos right now and infact are likely pushing Intel to restrict distribution for a few more weeks until a bit more of the old stuff goes out the door

          It also explains why the prices on the new Intels are a little on the high side as well, if you have new Intels in the store your not going to want them priced anything close to the old ones still sitting on the shelf that you want to get rid of.

          Have no fear though, the word also is it wont be too much longer and they will arrive in bulk. Big big bulk and likely a little more easy on the wallet as well.
          Cayble