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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Did DRM kill the "Desktop Linux" dream?

By | October 18, 2010, 12:21pm PDT

Summary: So, what killed the dream? It’s not that the OS is too geeky, or too obscure, it’s DRM, or specifically, the lack of support for DRM.

The dream of Linux as a major desktop OS is now pretty much dead, or so says Robert Strohmeyer writing for PCWorld.

So, what killed the dream? It’s not that the OS is too geeky, or too obscure, it’s DRM, or specifically, the lack of support for DRM.

User expectations have shifted dramatically in the past few years, and it’s no longer acceptable for any PC to fail at basic media viewing. DVD playback and video streaming from premium sites such as Netflix are now fundamental capabilities that any computer should have. But the politics of the open-source world make that a nearly hopeless dream for Linux.

“I share the hope with everyone that free and open-source software will rise to meet the requirements of content delivery,” says longtime Linux developer Jeff Whatcott, senior vice president of marketing for Brightcove, a company that specializes in online video streaming. “But that’s not happening.”

“DRM is not popular with the open-source crowd,” says Whatcott, lamenting that the open-source community at large remains so steadfastly opposed to digital rights management technologies. Without those systems, commercial content providers have no incentive to embrace Linux. And Whatcott points out that even if the open-source community were willing to go along, the DRM arena is dominated by “deep, deep patent pools,” making a free, open-source alternative unlikely anyway.

Yes … but … there are a few things worth pointing out.

First, did anyone really think that there would be such a thing as a “Year of the Desktop Linux” while Microsoft and Apple were in the game and had millions of dollars to throw at advertising? I didn’t, and I don’t think that anyone else who truly understands the ecosystem saw it happening either. Consumer operating systems are big business and the big players aren’t going to roll over and play dead in front of Tux the Penguin.

Secondly, Linux isn’t as bad at media as Strohmeyer makes out. Playing DVDs on distros such as Ubuntu is a snap. Sure, there’s plenty of DRMed media that won’t work on Linux, but there’s also plenty of stuff that will.

Then there’s Flash. Sure, Linux support isn’t the greatest, but it’s not bad either, and as the iPhone and iPad have demonstrated, no Flash support isn’t the end of the world.

Finally, while Ubuntu is an excellent desktop OS, Linux has expanded beyond the desktop and onto netbooks, cellphones, set top boxes and a myriad of other random mobile devices. Think in broader terms that the desktop and it might already be the year of Linux.

It’s not all about content consumption.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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netflix also works great on my Wii
~doolittle~ 27th Oct 2010
I think consumers who have linux desktops have DRM free media for compatibility - because you actually can "just say no" to DRM media and have a fully functioning desktop. I use a linux desktop both at home and at work and DRM is not a worry for me. Sure some sites and media work better on other OS or set-top (like my Wii) I don't really "consume media" when I am using my desktop as much as I am sitting on my couch watching my netflix-enabled Wii or in the bedroom using my XP Pro based media player. Yes I have XP Pro for netflix and games in the bedroom, it is more used as a media center than a desktop. If I am on the go and absolutely *need* netflix, I just use my iPhone or iPod/iTouch it is much more portable than an windows-based laptop / netbook.
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RE: Did DRM kill the
CFD220 18th Oct 2010
While I happily use Linux at work, Netflix support is certainly a significant issue keeping me from running it at home.
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RE: Did DRM kill the
mKind 18th Oct 2010
@CFD220
That is very true. But I am happy that Netflix is supported on my other Linux Device (PS3). As Andrian pointed out, the Year of Linux has already happened. Just that "Year of Linux Desktop" has not happened or probably will never happen.
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True but it wont happen.
Jimster480 19th Oct 2010
@mKind True that. Linux runs almost all stand alone devices these days. Only really light weight devices tend to have custom OS's. But with many platforms based on Linux, many people use linux more than Windows without even knowing it. With Phones, Set top boxes, and other devices running linux, its basically everywhere. Although Windows is still a better platform for the desktop. Linux doesnt have the media and gaming support, and I doubt that it ever will. With linux not embracing DRM (DRM sucks anyway) and the marketshare not being large enough to justify game companies making games that work on linux (meaning that the games have to be in OGL or atleast not D3D) its probably not going to happen.
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netflix also works great on my Wii
~doolittle~ 27th Oct 2010
I think consumers who have linux desktops have DRM free media for compatibility - because you actually can "just say no" to DRM media and have a fully functioning desktop. I use a linux desktop both at home and at work and DRM is not a worry for me. Sure some sites and media work better on other OS or set-top (like my Wii) I don't really "consume media" when I am using my desktop as much as I am sitting on my couch watching my netflix-enabled Wii or in the bedroom using my XP Pro based media player. Yes I have XP Pro for netflix and games in the bedroom, it is more used as a media center than a desktop. If I am on the go and absolutely *need* netflix, I just use my iPhone or iPod/iTouch it is much more portable than an windows-based laptop / netbook.
@CFD220

This issue would have been a non-starter if Linux made each distro binary-compatible, and embraced binary-only modules. Given that foundation, a binary-DRM module could happily sit in a sea of open source.

Unfortunately, Linux is anti-binary and of course anti-DRM, and this situation will never get resolved.
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RE: Did DRM kill the
ALISON SMOCK 18th Oct 2010
@croberts
Linux is not anti-DRM. Seven years ago Linus publicly *invited* DRM modules into the kernel. None have been willing to give up their security-by-obscurity model.

As for your idea of binary compatibility, the problem is that to freeze the kernel that way is to lose a lot of the advantage of Open Source. Linux develops so much faster than Windows exactly because they can realize their mistakes, fix them, and it doesn't break any drivers. You just hit "recompile" and voila, you're light-years ahead of your competitors.
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Because few people use Linux
Michael Alan Goff 18th Oct 2010
I don't think putting them on Linux would make it any less "security by obscurity" than it is now.
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Still dreaming eh?
Narg 18th Oct 2010
If it was ever a dream, it was a wet dream. Keep on dreaming though, and keep on and keep on and keep on...
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RE: Did DRM kill the
Loverock Davidson 18th Oct 2010
First, did anyone really think that there would be such a thing as a ?Year of the Desktop Linux? while Microsoft and Apple were in the game and had millions of dollars to throw at advertising? I didn?t

I'm pretty sure you did. You wrote enough articles about it. What killed the linux dream is linux itself. It was not a very good platform to begin with, no money to be made in it (just ask the local linux advocate), and DRM was part of the problem. There are many many more issues with linux from the fact that it was so bad that Mark Shuttleworth had to quit his job to Linus Torvalds calling it scary and bloated. But we won't go into those reasons right now. DRM is illegal on linux. If it wasn't for a swedish hacker then no one would be watching DVDs on linux. Couple that with poor sound support on linux by having one sound play at a time, any more than that and the system stutters, you got yourself a recipe for disaster.

I knew I'd be right about linux. It's dead! happy
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RE: Did DRM kill the
Zc456 Updated - 18th Oct 2010
@Loverock Davidson
How is it that you apparently "know" so much on what happens in the Linux community even though you hate it?

By the way, Tivo uses Linux.
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@Loverock Davidson

In September 2008 Steve Ballmer (Microsoft CEO) claimed 60% of servers run Linux and 40% run Windows Server.

In 2009 Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer indicated that Linux had a greater desktop market share than Mac, stating that in recent years Linux had "certainly increased its share".

Linux just works, and you hate that.


Riding with Penguins in a world of Glass and Fruit.

Hooay!
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De-Void 18th Oct 2010
@Linux Rocks - the conversation on this thread is about Linux on the desktop. Please stay on-subject.

With regards Linux Linux on the desktop, I've long said that Linux's biggest competitor is NOT Windows, it's OSX. What with Apple's increasing sales volume, and Windows 7's incredible adoption rate, I think it safe to say that Linux is going to find it increasingly difficult to compete.
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Jimster480 19th Oct 2010
@Linux Rocks I run both OS's. But I dont ever see my desktop getting off of Windows. I just use too many Windows only apps (VS, MS, DX Games, HW Media Software). And I develop for Windows. But my laptop runs both Ubuntu and Windows 7. Windows 7 is a great OS. Not only does it look nice, but its fast, powerful, stable and secure. I'm writing this from Linux right now, and my Phone runs Linux aswell (Android). But I'll be on windows a little later.
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Viva la crank dodo 19th Oct 2010
@Devoid
LD's comment was pretty all encompassing (and inaccurate). The article did touch on beyond desktop though it was more on mobile devices. As such, Linux Rocks response is certainly not out of place in this specific thread. If we are going to be self appointed police for defining the borders of whats on topic, we should at least do the same policing for what is outright falsehoods.
Other than that, I agree with your comment on the desktop.
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Hilarious troll
ALISON SMOCK 18th Oct 2010
@Loverock Damn, you nearly had me there. I didn't get the joke and was all ready to write an angry rebuttal until you started talking about Linux not being any good at sound. *LOL*!
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We need Linux
roger andre 18th Oct 2010
If the barrage of Malware becomes too great for Windows to bear, then hey.....just dust down those Linux disks, install then download the newest distros in peace. You can always run windows in a VM using your windows license sticker blah blah ha ha, but you get the drift..no?
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RE: Did DRM kill the
Lerianis10 18th Oct 2010
@roger andre
And wait the two seconds for the malware people to switch over and start attacking Linux, which by the way, in the WORDS OF SECURITY PEOPLE SUCH AS SECUNIA.... is less secure than Windows.
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Good Point
roger andre 18th Oct 2010
@Lerianis10 Of course, Windows has experience with these things. I suppose a malware attack on Linux would be hell even with password protection.
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kirovs@... Updated - 18th Oct 2010
@Lerianis10
????Security people? Who the hell is secunia? A new animal species?
In any case Linux is inherently more secure than Windows since there is true separation between users.
Hacking Linux is not impossible, just damn hard even with a default install. A well implemented Linux system is virtually impossible to penetrate.
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RE: Did DRM kill the
Lerianis10 18th Oct 2010
@kirovs@

Hacking Linux is NOT impossible with a default installation. It is quite easy actually.... it's just that a lot of the malware writers realize that most people are using Windows, so they don't bother!
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Security people such as Secunia
ALISON SMOCK 18th Oct 2010
@Lerianis10
You are extremely confused.

Yes, Secunia published a list of publicly reported vulnerabilities in various operating systems, and yes, some bloggers took the larger number of vulnerabilities in Unix as a sign that it was "less secure" than Windows. But Secunia themselves disputed that. They pointed out that there are a number of reasons that you can't use the raw number of vulnerabilities to determine how secure an OS is. One of the biggest ones is that the vulnerabilities found in an open source kernel, like Linux, are almost always found pre-emptively, before there is an attack, so having a high number of reports is actually a good thing. It's a sign that Linux has closed more vulnerabilities and should be expected to be, and has proven to be, *more* robust than Windows.
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Jimster480 19th Oct 2010
@Lerianis10 People forget that Windows is only targetted because of its large marketshare. People assume other OS's to be more secure (OSX is actually pretty damn insecure). Windows has alot of security measures that other OS's don't need to have currently (because of low marketshare). That stuff is part of what makes Windows "Bloated". If everyone switched to linux, there would be viruses and exploits and popups just like there are on Windows. And most malware on Windows these days is user-installed. With clever popup ads and crap like that telling you to install security software or that your AV needs an update. And dumb users just go with the flow and "install the update" infecting their machines.
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Linux desktop Windows in VM
ALISON SMOCK 18th Oct 2010
@roger andre
Windows in a virtual machine under GNU/Linux does work, but don't count on Microsoft letting you use the license you already own to do it. They've got DRM (yes, that word again) that will (incorrectly) detect that you're using different hardware and are therefore a pirate.

Of course, in my case Microsoft's DRM turned out to be a blessing as it made me try WINE which turned out to be more than adequate for my needs.
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The OS will be as irrelevant as what OS runs on the PS3 or Xbox. I'm not sure how that will look but it seems to me that as devices take over the relevance of the PC will become less and less. Eventually the PC will be just like any other device you buy. You buy it, plug it in, it works and you connect to the network to get you work done. Once this happens the lowest price come into play and Linux has that in spades.
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@voska1
as devices take over the relevance of the PC will become less and less

By definition, these are not desktops.

No one can argue that Linux is wildly successful on servers, routers, NAS, smartphones, etc. etc. etc. But it isn't successful on Desktops. And it never will be. And your post (one I agree with 100%) proves why Desktop Linux is dead and always will be. Your post tried to show that all desktop OSs will eventually die (or become a very small segment of overall market) and I agree. But you do have to admit that this includes Desktop Linux. I also agree with you that Linux will continue to be very successful in computing devices.
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Very True
LiquidLearner 18th Oct 2010
@NonZealot

Linux is an OS that fits devices better than any other OS out there today. It allows a high level of control and tight integration. It's not much of a surprise it's doing so well in the many places it is, but it's also not a surprise it wouldn't catch on in the desktop market either. But to say that immediately qualifies you as a Linux Hater.
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kirovs@... 18th Oct 2010
@NonZealot
My 100% Linux household is a proof you are wrong.
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@kirovs: Hehe, fair enough
NonZealot 18th Oct 2010
Using the same logic, the Kin isn't dead either because someone out there bought one!!!

While I was never 100% Linux at home, at one time I was 50%+ at home (MythTV HTPC, a headless server for files, mail, DHCP, and a dual boot desktop) but I would never claim that my setup was anything close to common. So yes, "dead" in the literal sense isn't correct because there are a handful of people out there still using Linux on the desktop. Perhaps "stagnant and dying" is more accurate. Netbooks looked to be Linux's last chance on the Desktop but between XP, Windows 7, and the iPad, even that surge was repelled.
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Go ahead, tell the hundreds of millions of iOS device owners that the OS of their dreams doesn't support iTunes.

Go ahead. Tell them that.

Watch them thank you for the information as they go back to using their Windows OS.
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Lerianis10 18th Oct 2010
@NonZealot

I agree, NonZealot, and I don't understand why your post was flagged.
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I already read this on PCW....
freethinkerinfl 18th Oct 2010
why are you repeating the same story from them? It is the same Market share argument.
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daikon 18th Oct 2010
@freethinkerinfl
Other than the DRM kill thing, looks the same.

Hooay!
that plays all video formats. Clue: They will NOT use Linux in the name.
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DonnieBoy. The use of Linux is not limited by it's name, instead by the agreement to use the software.
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Except for the 200MHz Pentium, of course. But then, that PC doesn't even have a DVD drive.

Thank you, DVD Jon.
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Duplicate deleted.
Zogg Updated - 18th Oct 2010
Oops! Must remember to login properly before posting happy.
Your article should have ended right there with: DOA.

It doesn't matter how much does play. It matters how much doesn't.
@frgough

my linux media player (geexbox) plays all my media without a hitch. I can watch netflix on my PS3, Wii, iPad / iTouch / iPhone if I wanted to. Everything works fine.
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shellcodes_coder 18th Oct 2010
Linux is already dead, that ugly piece of crap
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No.
ALISON SMOCK 18th Oct 2010
Did DRM Kill the Desktop Linux Dream? No, because the Desktop Linux Dream isn't dead.

However, DRM is a huge impediment in the way of the Desktop Linux Reality. Fortunately, open source standards like WebM are making progress in showing that proprietary software is not required to have streaming HD video.
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cybursoft Updated - 19th Oct 2010
agrees with Adrian Kingsley-Hughe , An hat tips for a great story . I have used linux since redhat 6.2 . linux OS's are just smart , I enjoy no prompt popping asking me ten times are you sure. As well as it never assumes if i put a disc in while i am multitasking or using a terminal that i wants to mount it NOW! Linux is just good at listening an a real pleasure to compute with , so most real linux user don't care if they have to find a work around or third party unit to accomplish a task.
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From the customers point of view
keebaud@... 19th Oct 2010
I was under the impression that the failure of linux as a retail desktop environment was the customers expectation of Windows. Home users have been using Windows now for 15 years. That's a difficult culture to break. People associate computers with Windows and anything that differs from that expectation is rejected.
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More Importantly.......
Alan Smithie Updated - 19th Oct 2010
The notion of the old fashioned desktop is beginning to look a threatened species as technology moves forward.

With regards to Linux:

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated"

Mark Twain
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RE: Did DRM kill the
maurert@... 19th Oct 2010
I'm on board for the premise. Perhap not DRM, but media is an issue. My wife's Windows XP computer is running slower and slower. I could do an inbox upgrade of the motherboard/CPU/Memory, but there are features that require Windows Professional that we use. So while the hardware might only cost $150, the licensing of Professional to the new motherboard is another huge cost. Ubuntu was a serious contender. 80% of what my wife does on her computer is mail, browsering. Ubuntu? check. 15% is low end Microsoft Office type stuff. Ubuntu with OpenOffice? check. The last 5% is the stumbling block. Can you say iTunes? Ouch!

From what I've read my choices are:
- iTunes on Mime, which I here is not terribly stable.
- dual boot to Windows, not really an option.
- virtual machine, but I'm still left paying licensing.

So yes, I agree with the author, content delivery in the Linix ecosystem is a problem. If Linux is to become a "player" in the desktop, then it is going to have to give up some of its anti "closed" software slant and embrace being a platform for running proprietary content tools like iTunes and Flash. That opens up the consumer desktop and laptop as a home for Linux.

In the office it needs to be prepared to load things like Mircosoft Office where OpenOffice doesn't always cut it. I can't use OpenOffice for data analysis because I deal with csv files with more then 1K columns. Excel's had that capability since 2007. That's just one example.
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leftover VLK licences from your IT dept?
~doolittle~ 20th Oct 2010
@maurert@... Now that vista and W7 are standard on new PCs, we have dozens upon dozens of XP Pro licenses that we can legally let the general population of users use (if you work for us happy it is a boon for employees who recycle old PCs (be it their own or our throwaways).

both on the job and at home I run XP in a vm and seamless RDP is a godsend. Also if you are doing any data analysis on raw ascii files - for the love of pete - many tools are available e.g. sed / awk and many perl modules are dedicated to the task check them out is a far cry from any spreadsheet on any platform. But for many the command line is something to get used to. In my old age, I recall gui-less productive setups like Desqview on QEMM that was so much faster on a 1mb+ 286 compared to a 386 running windows 3.x any version any day!
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rrogacki@... 19th Oct 2010
You are so right. Linux is killing Linux. The Linux users seem to think that pirating software or movies is their God given right. Such a shame.
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@rrogacki

You're flagged.
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correction, most pirates run windows
~doolittle~ 20th Oct 2010
@rrogacki@... the wealth of pirated software and movies are both downloaded to and made available from windows users.

Only flawed "hollywood" logic dictates because users don't want DRM it is because they are pirating - it may be, some users don't buy it.

"choice" it is a good thing made bad by corporate greed. Sad indeed.

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