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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Do you want a Microsoft Kinect built into your TV?

By | November 23, 2011, 12:54pm PST

Summary: Gesture-based TV control, anyone?

Rumors are circulating that TV manufacturers Vizio and Sony Microsoft is in talks with to integrate the Kinect motion sensing technology into next-generation televisions.

Do you want a Microsoft Kinect built into your TV?

The idea is that a Kinect-enabled TV would network with a PC (Windows 8 PCs) and also allow you to control the TV with gestures (I already throw a lot of gestures the way of my TV, so this could be useful).

The whole rumor hinges on ’sources familiar with the subject’ so I’m not holding my breath, but it could happen. That said, if it does (and that’s a massive ‘if’ right there), I don’t see it making much of a splash.  The TV market is highly competitive and hugely cut-throat, and TVs are themselves low-margin commodities. When it comes to buying TVs, people have two metrics - How much is it, and will it fit in the space I have for it? Gimmicks built into TVs don’t seems to fire up consumers and encourage them to buy and I doubt that bolting a Kinect into a TV would have widespread appeal.

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Do you want a Microsoft Kinect built into your TV?

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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RE: Do you want a Microsoft Kinect built into your TV?
jk_10 1st Dec
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My concern would be privacy
OrlandoHatch 23rd Nov
I would want to have an indicator (LED?) as to when that thing was active.
If Apple builds in Siri to TVS where you talk to it...

Kinect would...

1. Built-in camera - would turn your TV into a super cam and SKYPE with family over built-in TV internet

2. Save millions in remote controls - just "minority report" your TV selections.

3. Use your TV as "Siri" - the Kinect has a mic too, and Kinect has basic-commands like Open, Play, etc. All it needs is some voice tuning - Hey Google, can you help?
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@LuxoM3 You are missing the one thing that Microsoft is most interested in. It would be the ultimate spy device. This could be used or all sorts of nefarious purposes. Imagine hacking a competitors TV, and posting the resulting videos on You Tube. Google would be foolish to help Microsoft, Microsoft would simply steal more of Google???s IP. Microsoft has a long and well documented history of IP theft
@Rick_Kl

So you have sources of this mass IP theft from Microsoft that you are trolling about? Funny, I've only heard of Apple and Google collecting PI without the users knowledge, and nothing about MS, so go back under your bridge troll!
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@Rick_Kl
I admire your energy levels to troll.
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@Rick_Kl
they have been caught so many times that people now expect Apple to be spying on them.

Not only is it understood that Apple is one of the world's largest users of stolen IP, it is also assumed that they likely have the largest database of information of it's users obtained via "spying".

The articles are there for you to read.
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Seems I have hooked three egregious Windows Trolls with one post. Rather than dispute what is said, the Windows Trolls post ad homonym attacks!
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@Rick_Kl
Your response also not denying the fact that you are not trolling and shows your lack of spirit by just flagging our comments. Happy thanksgiving and relax, it is afterall technology and I think there are better things in life to enjoy rather than trolling here on ZDNET blogs over some stupid technology.
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Agreed
Mister Spock 23rd Nov
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plain
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@Rama.NET

So, isn't this a good case to decide the outcome of many, if not all of "Rick_Kl"'s commentary? Starve a troll of it's food, etc...
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@Rick_Kl Kinect already exists, it's already present in many living rooms all over the world, nearly all connected to the internet. I suggest you go shiver in your cave and wait for the apocalypse where MS will reign the world.
I dont think there is anything more obvious than TV's that have computing power built into them. Kinect is the obvious controller as well. Using gestures and voice command to control TV is better idea than using it as a game controller. Thow in Skype and you have a very compelling living room experience.
What I really want is 55" Microsoft surface wall mounted with kinect built in running Windows 8 for less than $3,000. Given that MS is going to integrate XBox Services into Windows 8 and that ARM support will be there as well, a cheap windows pc integrated with a great TV could finnaly be the unified living room device so many have tried to make. If this was available next year, it would trounce anything apple or google could come up with.
@Drewidian

You wish all that tech for only $3000 dollars? Heck, that system would trounce anything brought to market by Apple, Google and all the manufactures combined living on the planet Zantoo in the Delta Quadrant.

Considering I have read online reports stating that just the MS Surface Table alone carries a price tag between 8,000 and 11,000 dollars, I imagine your dream system might take a few years before it's price matches your wishes.
and, you end up with a Televuter that wouldn't have to cost more than $1500 -2000. And, with a second monitor, the TV and computer portions, could be shared and work independently.
I have frequent trouble with the voice control feature, so my vote is no. It's glitchy and too sensitive. Sometimes it picks up other noises from the tv and activates itself. I can only imagine this become more of an issue if it's built in.
Sure. Heck, lets put the Xbox interface on the TV, put in a hard drive and a wireless receiver, hook it up to the Wi-Fi, get Netflix, Hulu, Bing, MSN Messenger, Notifications, Weather, all on the TV without attaching the actually Xbox for games (which you'd get the actual box for).
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@avatoin

Well, I personally got the Xbox 360 for MediaCenter and Netflix. Games were an added bonus. What has been nice is that I've spent my money once, and it just keeps getting better for *free. *with Gold membership.
So that's why tvs sold this last year had wifi chips and netflix built in? Bzzzzzt wrong. Guess again. tv's will be getting cameras and microphones for skype anyway. Kinect would be great. two cams for 3d vision mean possible 3d skype. RAM and arm cpus will also be going in so why have a separate box. Do you really need yet another power supply, remote, nic, etc. etc. etc.
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@Johnny Vegas Netfix is a SERVICE that enhances the TV. It provides movies and the Wi-fi and networking is needed for it to work.

On the other hand, Kinect is a GIMMICK that provides little to no functionality to a TV. Oh hell, it barely adds anything to the XBox game experience.
@wackoae

The only one who could say that it 'barely adds anything to the game experience' is someone who has never played a Kinect game, even in a Best Buy. It adds a LOT!
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@wackoae

Seriously? A Gimmick? I'll get back to this comment in 3 or less years, Sir Visionary. Encapsulating yourself in a moment of time may be comfortable for you, but evangelizing your fear of the future or change speaks volumes.
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@Johnny Vegas
3d skype! that would be awesome! :-p
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RE: Do you want a Microsoft Kinect built into your TV?
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 23rd Nov
Absolutely. It could make game watching/playing a lot more fun.
While not built in, my Kinect is already connected to my TV and and I like it a lot.

But I'd really prefer Kinect built in to glasses with a headup display. Connected to my WP7 phone and allowing me to use gestures or a floating in air virtual keyboard.

Then we could let this fascination with the dead end of touch based UIs die wink
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But the question is:
letmesay 23rd Nov
How many toy accessories for tv want sell us before integrate a 25$ beagleboard with a wireless trackpad?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeagleBoard
http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
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iTV pwned even before its release.
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The problem with anything added to TVs (e.g. Youtube, network media playback, etc.) is that they are inconsistent, patchwork, non-standard implementations. I have a TV capable of heaps of things that I NEVER USE.

Why can't a TV just be a display? Are they just adding selling points or do people want this added stuff?

Kinect plugs into the Xbox, and Microsoft are adding TV services to the Xbox. Let the Xbox do the gruntwork and let the TV just be a display for the device(s) attached to it. A TV is never going to be as flexible as the devices you can attach to it (HTPC, console, Apple TV, etc.).
@allusernamestaken

Because more and more people don't WANT a TV to 'just be a display', that's why!
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@allusernamestaken

You know.. that does make sense. I've rarely seen great things happen when 'technologies combine'. Outside of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, one component or the other inevitibly gets changed, leaving you with really cool tech mixed with oldschool drawbacks, or .. one component just up and fails completely, leaving you with a system at 80% capacity. So, although I already voted, I'd change it with your one comment.
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@allusernamestaken You're actually right, when you combine all things in one product it becomes an Apple product :-p until now, nothing good has come from all those feature-tv's but maybe when Apple comes with their iTV they can make a stand?
Anyway, I wouldn't buy it as it probably will cost over 2000 dollars.
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Implementation is the key
brendan@... 23rd Nov
Basically it depends on how it's made to work. Haphazard kinect implementations would add little to the experience for the price paid. However if the TV were designed to use Kinect's gesture and voice capabilities well, it could be be hugely appealing, especially if the TV offered an easy way to use kinect to control all the other boxes plugged into it - no need for seperate TV, Cablebox, DVD, or other home thearter remotes, or even an all in one. All your devices could be controlled by just talking to your computer or making a few gestures.
That could be a game changer. And it could also hugely transform built in TV apps as well.
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@brendan@...

Whoa.. that is so cool of an idea. It's way before it's time and very 'ouside' the box thinking. Hopefully you are gainfully employed, cuz you deserve it, my man.
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... where Zaphod Beeblebrox was forced to sit "irritatingly still" while watching the news, in case an accidental gesture inadvertently changed the channel.

If PCs have taught me anything it's that its much better to be able to hot-plug modules into a base unit than to have a single omni-functional device. I'll pass, thanks.
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I have no use...
wright_is 24th Nov
for a Kinect, so why would I want to pay extra for a new TV, with it built in?
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There's enough cr@p on TV without putting more in it. I'm sure the NSA would love all TV's to have one and be connected to the internet. It's 1984, Fahrenheit 451 and roller-ball coming at once.

PS hackers will be rubbing their hands as well.
Not sure what its like in the US, but here in the UK most people use a Sky remote, not a TV remote, so I would prefer to have kinect built into my TV that can communicate with my Sky+ box.

'TV Sky 101' or something for tuning my sky box into BBC 1 wink
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Thanks... but NO thanks !
iTrucker 24th Nov
That will end the era with sweet kisses and other adult action in front of the TV. One "wrong" move (gesture) and the volume is set on highest level and alarms all people near by... including your kids... ;P
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Thanks, but NO thanks !
iTrucker 24th Nov
That will end the era with sweet kisses and other adult action in front of the TV. One "wrong" move (gesture) and the volume is set on highest level and alarms all people near by... including your kids... ;P
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All in one super hub
Maheshan999 25th Nov
Seriously technology is changing at fast pace, and I am always in search of something great piece of tech. I do not want just TV with Kinect, but everything with Kinect. Again I do not want everything with just Kinect, but also with Siri like tech, that can make touch input history. Complete integration with games, TV and PC all in one place.
Oh my Gawd, NO!

I don't want ANYTHING Microsoft built into my TV--or built into my car, or my computer (an Apple), or my refrigerator, or my microwave oven, or my radio, or my anythoing..... (Well, maybe my toilet bowl. THAT would be appropriate, but then the damned thing probably would not flush properly... happy

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